What to do about pinktober...yuch..

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  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited October 2011

    You can find those "special" tshirts at www.cafepress.com    That is where my daughter bought our shirts

    Michelle

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited October 2011

    i'm all for expensive research - and more of it. i loathe the pinkwashing crap because it is vapid and it misses the mark, which is real work toward cures. i'm grateful that the research has yielded all it has, and for the scientists working tirelessly for all of us.

    and happy for you, apple, with the Xeloda! (your icon always makes me smile)

    j

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited October 2011

    oh and thanks, LuvRVing, for the cafepress link!

    j

  • Carmelle
    Carmelle Member Posts: 388
    edited October 2011

    PInk is a bad look for me.

  • Rachel1
    Rachel1 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2011

    I've got to admit, I really hate the pink crap also. I've got so much of it, I'm not sure what to do anymore. Some of it I did burn -- that somehow felt so good.  It was kind of like giving bc the bird.

    Rachel 

  • bourscheid
    bourscheid Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2011

    I try to remind people I know to make sure that any of the pink products they buy are actually contributing to cancer research.  I wouldn't be here today without the latest research so if it helps, I'm for it...if it's just to make a buck...not.  Check the fine print.  :-)  Hugs and blessings, all.

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited October 2011

    i think we all want research funded, and more of it. our opposition is to the blatant capitalism and gross commercialization of a horrid disease that kills many and maims many more. those pink ribbon campaigns give laughably SMALL amounts of money toward research and development. let's face it, the money that makes science move isn't going to come from Yoplait cups, Milano cookies, and f#*#(ing water bottles.

    (i know, i keep swearing. undermines my credibility, but i am so fed up with women dying, the fear of recurrence, blah blah blah).

    ((((hugs to all the sistahs here)))))

    j

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited October 2011

    None of the ticky-tacky pink products I've seen in stores or catalogs say that a dime is going to research, xeloda, or anywhere else other than some CEO and his/her shareholders' pockets. In the meantime, every time I go to the store, get my mail, turn on the TV, or take a walk at work, I'm bombarded with an ocean of pink and teen-agers getting their rocks off by saying "ta-tas" and "boobies" under the shield of "breast cancer awareness." Thank you, but I'm "aware" of breast cancer every time I take my shirt off, and I really do need to escape from that "awareness" now and then. It's what keeps me healthy.

    The majority of the bc research that I read about is funded by the NCI and the NIH, not Komen.

    Prior to having bc, it wasn't pink junk that reminded me to have a mammogram; it was my doctor and the memory of my mother dying from bc that prompted me to schedule an appointment.

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited October 2011

    I flew Delta yesterday and the female flight attendants were wearing pink so that "we might ask why and they could say for breast cancer awareness month". At the back of the plane I wanted to yell f@#$ awareness, how about a cure when she told us this, but I didn't. (Didn't want to get thrown off the plane!) Then our drink napkins had  pink ribbon on and told us that minute maid pink lemonade is fighting breast cancer one pink lemonade at a time.

    Sick of it.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited October 2011

     i just laugh at the pink stuff.  just a way to advertize i figure.  they have to pay for advertising anyway. 

    i never wear pink - it's just too girly.  I do however, own and always wear a Talbot's watch with a pink leather strap.  My old roommate got it for her graduation present and gave it to me because she hated it.. it's actually super cute and reminds me i am a girl.  kind of funny that I've latched onto it.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited October 2011

    I wore pink before my diagnosis, and I will wear pink going forward.  Some dear friends have given me things, one of them made me pink ribbon earrings and a necklace. It's all done as an act of kindness and I have no problem with it.

    Michelle

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited October 2011

    so many less people (how's that for an oxymoron?) are dying of breast cancer.  that's a start.

  • orlandpark65
    orlandpark65 Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2011

    I know it's only October 7th, but I figure if you can't beat them join them.  I'm doing my first walk on Oct 16th and scared.   Don't want to get all emotional.  My entire family is doing it and I can't believe I raised almost $1000.00.   I feel like I'm "coming out of the closet".    I've done everything to hide this and I'm not sure why.  I should wear it like a badge of honor but I guess I don't like any sympathy looks or attention.  

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited October 2011

    Orlandpark---I har ya and everyone else.Find a dame cure.find a damn vacine.WHERE IS THE MONEY and please even people who are NED are sending me pink shit to put on my facebook knowing how much i hate pinktoger.

    everywhere i go its an argument...especially that i am ned....why dont i advertise it...because maybe if i wanted the whole world to know i did? have the monster it would not be heard from facebook.I will not put a thing pink on all moth.And I love HOT PINK.

    end of rant!!!!!!

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited October 2011

    I had forgotten about the flight I took on Delta when going to a conference between surgery and chemo.  I thanked the cabin crew for collecting donations.  I also pointed out that I was in treatment.

    They made their weekly goal!!! 

    Good luck with the walk, Orlandopark.  I think it will be great to be out there with everyone.

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited October 2011

    When the checkers at Safeway ask if I'd like to donate to bc awareness, I say, "I already donated..MY LIFE!"   xoxo   

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Hi, ya'll. I've already posted on this thread a few days ago, but my thoughts have been on this subject alot lately and wondering to myself why I like Pink October and think its a good thing, when so many of you do not. I've done some soul searching and wanted to put another point of view out here in cyberspace.  First of all, I can understand why so many can't stand it.  I really do.

    And I do not mind calling myself a breast cancer survivor, because I look at the word survivor as meaning that you survived the treatment and am in remission. That's it.   Not that you fought any harder than anybody else did.  It think the word survivor has developed into something else more powerful to mean you fought harder. I don't think that.

    As for pink october, i agree with breast cancer awareness. I know it has problems and that most of the money goes to awareness and not research.  But I look at it like this:  Awareness equals more research and education.  Even if billions of pink october goes back into the pockets of retailers and such, still some of it goes to research. Any amount of money that goes to research is a good thing.   This is the important factor to me because I also suffer with a horrible disease that doesn't have 'awareness': which is gastroparesis.  IT's destroying my life and it doesn't get alot of funding for research, because there is not alot of public awareness of it. I never had heard of it until I was diagnosed. I don't know anybody personally that's ever had it until I started searching on line and found a yahoo group.  No awareness - no research. My GI specialist told me that the treatments for this disease are not as effective as it should be and patients have a very mixed response to the treatment.  And yes, my doctor deals with this disease because we just happen to be in a city that has one doctor that performs gastric pacemaker surgery for gastroparesis, so he gets alot of patients from out of state. I had this pacemaker inserted last year, and it worked for about 8 months, until my body stopped responding to it.  It still functions, they've increased the voltage and frequency several times, and I've had so releif.  i'm disabled, I'm appealing disability with an attorney. I can only work while fasting from the ngiht before. Through trial and error, I only can hold down food with phenergan, prilosec adn then lie down for a few hours after I eat. I only can eat a very limited variety of foods, mainly chicken, tuna, white bread, mayo and hard cheeses.If I stray from what few items I that are 'safe' I get really sick.  I can't tolerate most veggies unless its canned peas or carrot, no fruits. no beef, pork, nothing to drink except coffee and orange soda. I live on orange soda.  that's awful but nothing else stays down. they have tried alot of other medications that are supposed to help with nausea and vomiting. Nothing works except for phenergan and prilosec. I've developed chronic duodenitis, esophagitis, gastritis and a hiatal hernia from frequent vomiting and having the gastric pacemaker. We keep it in even tho' its not very affective in case it helps me keep down these few safe foods. My life sucks.  It's ruining me financially, physically, I stay malnourished, I'm homebound after I eat for hours and hours. I am existing, I'm not living. 

    I sure wish more awareness and research went into this disease because I made it through breast cancer treatment only to be hit with this. And I beleive it was the cancer treatment that caused damage to the vagus nerve that supplies nerves to my stomach.  My stomach is literally paralysed now. I stayed nauseated and vomiting throughout my whole chemotherapy no matter what drugs they gave me. Then it persisted ever since. it took my doctors 2 years to diagnose me because this disease isn't readily recognised at first. I checked Gi recommendations on frequent nausea and vomiting. Doctor's are taught to go through a series of tests and guess what. Gastric emptying test is the LAST one they are taught to order when they can't find answers with all the other tests. 

    This needs awareness in the future or there will continue to be very little research for this. Incidently, the gastric pacemaker I had inserted, is still in the experimental state. And its been that way for years. 

    I'm sorry this is so long, but I just wanted to express what I've been feeling and thinking about this subject.  Sometimes I think I'm made to feel bad because I like Pink October. 

    I have respect for other's who do not like Pink October, and I can see why.  I just happen to have a different opinion on that matter.

    Take care everyone,

    Deb  

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited October 2011

    No Deb - if you like pink October that is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Just remember these anti-pink threads are created by people who DON'T like pink October and most of the people who LIKE all the pink bc awareness simply don't post here. There are lots of people just like you, so don't feel guilty.

    I happen to be in the don't like pink October group. None of us have to like everything that is posted.

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited October 2011

    Deb--I am just horrified about your side effects--I had never heard of this stomach problem before and I think it is one of the worst stories I have heard! Have you had the gastric pacemaker long? Hope it is doing the trick. Keep us posted here.

    You certainly don't need to feel bad about liking Pink October. Actually, I don't mind the really legitimate stuff, it is the over-commercialization, the junk, the slapping the pink logo on anything as a marketing ploy, that has started bugging me.  I'm all for the awareness and the education.

    You take care, Weesa

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, Gill and Weesa. I know each of us has our own opinion about this subject.  It helped to get it off my chest.

    Weeza, my doctors will not say it was chemo for sure, they just tell me its possible. Apparently you can get it from a neurological problem, diabetes, (I'm not a diabetic-so I have Idiopathic Gastroparesis, which means unknown cause), a virus, or former abdominal surgery, chemo, and some medications. I've had all of the above except the diabetes. All of these things can damage or clip the vagus nerve to your stomach, which has caused this. I know in my heart it was the chemo, because I never had any problems with digestion until I went through it.

    I had the Gastric pacemaker inserted in august of 2010.  it took about a month for my body to get used to it, and then I had about 7 or 8 months of feeling great. I was able to eat most anything without any trouble accept occasional bouts of vomiting and nausea. Then this past April, the nausea/vomiting and epigastric/chest pain started up again. I ended up being admitted from the ER, and they readjusted my paceamker. It was originally set to fire 1 time a second, with a 5 second break. set at 2.0 voltage if I'm not mistaken. They can increase voltage slowly up to an i8 or 9, I believe. They did another EGD and found the gastritis, duodenitis,hiatus hernia and esophagitis. my symptoms of nausea/vomting persisted, so I kept going back to my doctor;s office and he kept raising the voltage and times it fires. currently its set at 4.1 voltage and it fires 3 times in 3 seconds, and then has a 5 second rest. I normally don't feel it fire, but occasionally i do. It's not really painful, just wierd feeling. I'm waiting to get my disability approved so I can go back to see him. I'm trying to hold off until then, because I'm really struggling financially and I have a 30.00 dollar copay for specialist office visits. I owe them for the past 2 times I saw them still, and I cannot pay  anything on all the medical bills that have piled up since all this began in 2008.  I've gone through all my savings.  My credit is ruined. So I've cut back to the bare essentials, which isn't easy.  i can't afford to hire an attorney to file bankrupcy but I did hire one for my disability appeal because they only get paid if you get on disabilty. they get a percentage of your first check. I just take one day at a time. That's all any of us can do.

    Thanks for ya'lls kind words. It brightened my mood.

    Take care,

    deb

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2011

    Hi Deb: I exactly what you are saying about agree with you about breast cancer awareness being a good thing. I too was diagnosed with a rare disorder. In my case it was idiopathic transverse myelitis and I was diagnosed after I suddenly became paralyzed to the waist over the course of two hours one bright September morning in 2008. I was fortunate to be diagnosed and treated quickly but was still recovering from that when I was diagnosed with breast cancer.

    I know what it's like to go to doctors who have never heard of transverse myelitis (tm). It was a factor in deciding on what type of chemo to do and each time I saw an oncologist, I had to educate them on the disease. There is no awareness of transverse myelitis and little to no research. Yet it can be a debilitating disorder which leaves one-third of patients as paraplegic and another one-third are left with permanent, life-changing disabilities. Even if one is in the "lucky" one-third that recover, most are left with some residual side effects.

    Although I was shocked when I was diagnosed with breast cancer, at least I was dealing with a disease that didn't require any explanation beyond those words, there are lots of sources of information, support, ongoing research. There are statistics to help in making decisions about surgery and treatment based on one's specific diagnosis. It was much easier than dealing with tm. Even if it involves pink ribbons in October, I do think awareness is a good thing. And yes, it's a marketing ploy too but I don't think we can do much about that.

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Mary, I've never heard of transverse myelitis, are you still having some if its residual effects? I agree its been harder for me to deal with long term illness of Gastroparesis. After the initial trauma of being diagnosed with breast cancer, I felt I had some power in knowledge of how its treated and what to expect because there is so much information on breast cancer.  I had alot of support from others with people who'd been diagnosed before me,  and I gained strength in their knowledge. But with these conditions like you and I have been diagnosed with, I had nobody to ask.  No one had ever heard of it before.  .  If I'd known that the pacemaker wasn't as affective as it was presented to me, I don't know if I'd have gone ahead with the surgery.  It does help some people but not everyone.  But it did give me 8 months of normalcy, so I'm thankful for that.

    Take care,

    deb

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2011

    Deb: I'm left with some residual parasthesia in my right leg. But I count myself very fortunate as many with TM are left with bladder and bowel problems along with mobility and balance issues.

    I know what you mean about having someone to ask about bc, whereas with the gastroparesis you feel alone. Is it possible at this stage that the nerves in your stomach might still recover? I read on wikipedia "it is thought that many of these cases [of gastroparesis] are due to an autoimmune response triggered by an acute viral infection." TM is also an autoimmune disorder. Do the doctor's think yours is an autoimmune disorder or that it's a direct, toxic effect of the chemo drugs?

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    I'm thankful your residual effects are not as severe as it could be.  But I can imagine how difficult it would be to live with constant parasthesia in one leg of your legs. When I had the pacemaker inserted, I woke up from anesthesia with a numb left arm and hand. Had no feeling, like it was asleep and it gradually took 2 days for it to go away. While I was in the hospital, my surgeon was going to start running tests if it didn't go away, but it did. To this day, I have no idea why that happened, I never got any answers and the surgeon didn't know why it happened.

    As for the GP, my Gi doc said that in his experience with the patients he sees with it, that the symptoms tend to be cyclic, but he told me no cases he has are the same. Alot of his patients come from Alabama since Biloxi, MS is the closest place that has a surgeon that does the pacemakers. My GI doc told me its permanent and chronic.  But none of my doctor's: Gi doc, internist and oncologist will investigate what caused it in the first place. Since I've had most of the risk factors other than diabetes, they tell me it could be any one of those and that it doesn't really matter what caused it because it wouldn't change the fact that I have it and the outcome. when I had my gastric emptying test done at the hospital, I knew it had not been normal, because the monitor is placed where I could see it, and the radioactive egg sandwich they give you too eat, I could see on the monitor sitting in my stomach. I told the tech I could tell it was hardly moving and she didn't tell me yes or no, cuz they are not allowed, but i knew. When I got the results from my Gi Doc, he told me normal finding are usually T45. Which means it takes about 45 minutes for the food to pass from the stomach into the duodenum & intestines. That's the ideal time a healthy person should have. Mine was T20hours. They told me the test showed it takes my stomach 20 hours to pass food into the small intestines.  I tend to have nausea and vomiting that begins about an hour or two after eating.  on a day to day basis, the only time I have hunger pains is usually from about 9am to 10am after I've fasted from night before. Most mornings I wake up queesy, but I just dry heave if I'm having a really bad day. I bring a heart shaped bucket and washcloth in my car and at work, because throughout the past 3 years, I've dryheaved or vomited numerous times while driving. That is scary when it happens while driving. I just grab my bucket and do my business while I'm driving. And my work has become used to it happening because its been going on for so long. My goal is to work 4 hours per day from about 7:30am to 11:30am while I fast from night before. Than I come home, take my meds and eat It's usually an egg, chicken or tuna sandwich on white bread, plain chips and mixed nuts. same thing day in and day out. .  I then lie down until 4 or 5pm and force myself to get up. I'm not hungry and its difficult to eat dinner, but I graze for several hours after taking another dose of medicine throughout the evening.  I'll force down perhaps a cup of dry cereal, than wait an hour or two, maybe a pudding cup, then an hour or two I'll have a kit kat. Kit kats are the only candy I'm able to keep down. Don't know why, none of the foods I can tolerate with the phenergan makes any sense to me either. My internest suggested I try the pudding cups to get alittle calcium in my diet. I also take bites of babyfood.  And I've just started getting  brave enough to try the whipped yoplait. I had to talk myself into trying it, because the last time I had regular yogurt, it wasn't a pretty picture. and this is all on a 'good' day.  Occasionally I have such a bad day that I can only do liquids, which is coffee and orange soda and ensure. the ensure I have to take sips from, but I can most of the time hold down a sip once an hour or two on bad days. I keep an ensure at work and sip on it once an hour or two so my blood sugar doesn't drop. I find if I don't do that, around 10:30 or 11am, I get the shakes and weakness from sugar dropping.. All this has been through a few years of trial and error on my part. Occasionally I'll not take phenergan to see if I can hold down my safe foods without it, but I get so nauseated and can't. zofran doesn't work, neither does REglan, and i had such bad side affects with the Reglan, they had to take me off of it. I have medication controlled hypertension because of a benign mass on my left adrenal gland, (that's another story) have had it for 20 years or so, but Reglan made my blood pressure in the 190's/over 100's and I became tachycardic, so they took me right off of it.

    anyhoos, thanks for listening. and I wish you well.  If you are on facebook, or anyone of ya'll who reads this, You can find me under the name Deborah J Panger.  I tend to live there. And am addicted to the games. lol

    take care,

    deb

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited October 2011

    Deb....I'm so sorry for all the pain you are dealing with from the gi issues.....chronic pain and illness is very difficult....My thoughts are with you....btw...I also like the pink...Karen

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2011

    Deb: I'm sorry too to hear how this disease has taken over your life. I just can't imagine being able to work while going through all this. I wish there were some other solutions the doctors could suggest for you.

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Thanks Karen and Mary.  I take one day at a time and don't try to think beyond that. It helps to keep my sane. :)

    Take care,

    deb

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Just thought of new buttons we could wear that say "f*%k cancer" during this month.  I'm sure we'd all get a lot of head-turns from people, but that's the best "awareness" I can come up with.  I do hate the word "survivor".  None of my friends that have been dealt BC consider themselves survivors.  Neither do I.  BC has meant hours in surgery, masts & reconstruction, hormonal therapy, radiation, chemo, not to mention the mental toll it takes life-long.  It's not good when you hear that survival stats have not made significant changes over the past 15 years either.  What gets me through is jumping into my hobbies and getting outside whenever I can and enjoy walks, nature, and sunshine !  OK - I'm done...

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2011

    Shelly: I'm going out for one of those walks now. And I am walking in the Making Strides walk at the weekend. A friend walked for me last year. She has her own health issues so I really appreciated that she did that. This year I'll walk with her. I have mixed feelings about seeing the sea of pink, but really I think people have the best of intentions.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited October 2011

    I ignore it but I support all of you who walk! 

    Walk well for us Mary! And thank you.

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