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  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited September 2011

    Thanks Barbie, hope you are feeling better. I am only taking 2 weeks off work for my surgery. Hope that is enough. I got an email from my ONC who said no way would she give me any HRT EVER. Have to confess, spent the morning fighting tears after reading that. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.



    My cancer was positive for estrogen and progestrogen. Can't imagine that either would be permitted for hyperasia.

  • Barbie7
    Barbie7 Member Posts: 386
    edited September 2011

    Perky - My ONC said the same thing.  No HRT - no estrogen, no progesterin, no plant based hormones, nothing.

    I'm fighting the blues, or it may be better said that I'm succombing to the blues.  i woke up from a nap and for a few seconds I thought it was all a bad dream, then I realized that it was my reality.  I'm so sad to have lost these body parts, but I know that it is the right thing.  a necessary thing.  but it is a sad thing.  It is ok to be sad I figure.  Better to deal with it now than to try to deal with it later.

    So far, the crash into menopause has been mostly night sweats and these emotional swings.  No hot flashes yet (knocking on wood).

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited September 2011

    That is my biggest fear. I will be at work; crying. I fully admit that I am sliding into a depression over this. It's my 10th surgery in 5 years and I'm overwhelmed. But it may make me feel better and should help keep cancer away so I'm good with it in theory. I'm ok with the sweats, tamoxifen already got me used to that but the tears were limited to Disney movies and cheesy ads.

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2011

    Hi ladies,

    I wish I'd found this thread months ago....I'm a member of the worry club. 

    On Tamox about 18 mos. now, scheduled for sonograms every 6 mos.  First one was uneventful, second one turned up a polyp and a lot of drama.  Gyn tried to biopsy it but could not get the instruments in because there was a fibroid blocking the entrance (WHAT???).

    While still on the table and in intense pain (never had children, and ooooh that attempted procedure hurt), we had the 'what's next' discussion.  I just wanted to run and never have anyone torture me again, so opted for another sono in 3 mos rather than a D&C.

    Time passed, a little bit of research was done, I finally found this thread which may turn out to be the most helpful of all....

    Follow up sono is Monday morning.  At this point I'm emotionally ready to have a D&C, and am almost tempted to cancel the sono and schedule one (I won't really do that).

    A lot of it has to do with a close friend who was diagnosed w lymphoma shortly after I was diagnosed w BC.  She did watch & wait for a few months in the beginning and became an angel within 18 months.  Watch and wait makes me uneasy these days.  I'm not really comfotable w my choice of sonograms every 3 mos. to follow the polyp....and if it's grown, gyn will prob want to do a d&c at this point anyway.

    So....what exactly IS a D&C?  Are there side effects?  Can you have them several times?  How long is the recovery?  My Gyn said she does them early Thurs am's and suggested that I'd want to take Friday off (as well as Thurs) - which made me think that I might be looking at 4 days of real pain (Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun, barely manage to get back to sitting at work on Monday).  Is that true?  Does the fact that I never dilated and the biopsy was painful mean a D&C will be uber painful?

    Best wishes to all.  I hate this crap!!!!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited September 2011

    Sweaty spice.  I'm sorry that your doctor didn't explain further for you what a D&C is and the recuperation for it.  First off, I've had several D&C's.  Basically they open your cervix and scrape out the lining of your uterus.  The one I had a few weeks ago, took place in the doctor's office.  They put me to sleep for a few minutes and voila, done!  Similiar experience to a colonoscopy.  Told me I might have some bleeding for a few weeks.  Went home with a pad and within a few hours, I was fine.  Never used the additional pads that they gave me.  I've had D&C's in the past for polyps and other stuff as well.  I don't recall ever having pain from the procedure, although they did mention I could take tylenol.  With this latest polyp, they were just watching it.  They told me it could stay there as long as I was asymptomatic.  But once I started a clear discharge, I knew it was time for it to come out.  My last polyps, before being diagnosed with BC caused bleeding for a long time.  I don't know why I waited so long back then.  This time I said, I love wearing white slacks...so it's D&C time....Kiss

    Good luck!  Hope your outcome is as good as mine! 

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited October 2011

    Thanks so much!  If it's "like a colonoscopy"... I can do that (except) the prep!!

    Follow up sono in the morning, let's see what happens.  I have a feeling I'm headed for the D&C but at least now I'm ok with that....

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited October 2011

    I am hoping all of you ladies can help me and I hope you don't mind that I didn't start a new thread.  I had 2 early stage BCs since 2009, but healthy since 2010.  Tamoxifen for 2 years and then switched. Once I switched I began with spotty bloodly mucus.  Not too worried - just followed up, paps have been okay, etc.  Went for Usound and told over phone by my Onc (who is terrific) to move up my gyn appt. and follow-up testing - they saw thickened lining and something irregular.  I don't yet have the report, but onc said to be "moderately concerned" and he is not an alarmist. 

    Honestly, I have no one else to turn to - I don't want to worry my husband, I already broke down at work with one sympathetic coworker and after being strong and brave with both BCs, lympademia in my hands, etc. I can't face more surgery and another diagnosis.  Can you tell me what the steps are for diagnosis - is it biopsy then d&c and hysterectomy - do I have a choice of diagnostic tools or does it require you have both biopsy and d&c?  I pray to God it is early, but am so upset I can hardly function - totally uncharacteristic of my personality which is to research, get moving, deal with it proactively.  I feel like I've had enough and want to crawl in a hole.  Thanks for listening.  K

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2011

    knowledgeforpower,  The TVUS can show thickening of the uterine lining, but it is in no way a substitute for the Endometrial Biopsy, which will tell you definitively if there is anything cancer-y going on.  It's done in the GYN office and is a little crampy/pinchy.  If you feel things are not quite right, you might ask about having one done.

    Can't comment on whether the bleeding is normal.  After an Endo Bx, there can be some spotting.

    p.s.  Ooops, I'm several pages behind in this comment.

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited October 2011

    Kathy16 - I don't know the protocol, I'm guessing that if a biopsy turned up something cancer-y there would be no need for a D&C, they'd go straight to hysterectomy.  And I guess you could have a D&C instead of a biopsy....but I'm really just guessing.

    Mostly I just want to wish you well.

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited October 2011

    Kathy16, you said you were on tamox and switched - to an AI?

    A uterine biospy is probably your first stop.  As people have said above, uncomfortable but not that bad. A thickened lining isn't that uncommon, doesn't necessarily equal cancer - hang in there.  I know this is SCARY but you'll get some answers soon and hopefully it will be B9.

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2011

    Saw my gyn today for my pre op appt. Had the biopsy. Unbelievibly easy. I would put it about on the same level as a pap. He is starting me of Effexor very soon so that it is fully kicked in by the time my ovaries are out. I am starting to feel better. No nasty surprises in surgery since the biopsy will already be done and hopefully not as far to fall with the help of a mild antidepressant.

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011

    Well count me in to the Endometrial cancer group. Got my dx on Monday. Had my biopsy two weeks ago. Monday my onc took me off tamoxifen. I see the GYN onc next week. So those of you with even the slightest symptoms (like spotting) go in right away to your GYN. So far they have put a grade on it as a 1 (1 out of 3). One is good or better than two or three. So I caught it early. But I'm still ticked.

    In my case the biopsy was very painful but it was because my cervix had closed. After she bored her way through, the actual biopsy was just a little crampy not bad. I am so glad it did it.

    I asked my onc what percentage of women on tamoxifen get endometrial cancer, he said 2%. I was his first patient. Damn...drew the short straw again.

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited October 2011

    Sorry to hear it Betsy, but glad you caught it early.  I drew the short straw with a localized recurrence of my breast cancer to the reconstructed breast.  I'm ticked too!

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2011

    Well that stinks. Before BC I had a very rare disease so I don't trust statistics either. Do you have to lose any lymph nodes or knowing that it very early, can you just move on to the hysterectomy? Also the nurse did seem kind of amazed that I wasn't in pain so I may just be a wierdo.

  • sling99
    sling99 Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2011

    If endometrial cancer is found, is having a hysterectomy enough? Would you ever need radiation?

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2011

    I hate this for all of us.

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011

    Posting correction:

     Hi all I just found the correct percentages abount those of us that have taken tamox and developed uterine cancer it is .2% - .5%, not 2%, a big difference. Sorry for the error, I just wanted to correct it so it doesn't freak too many folks out.  Sorry....I'm still digesting all of this. TG I have good notes from my chemo days.

    Betsy

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011

    Sling 99 - The answer is yes sometimes depending on the staging (3-4) you may need chemo and or rads. Staging is done in surgery like bc. They will remove lymph nodes also. I'll know more next week when I get my marching orders from my GYN Onc surgeon. Will post more later.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2011

    Oh, BetsyBuzz, I am sorry to run into you here.  I don't have uterine cancer, but am still on the Tamox. and "holding" for three more years unless...  Did your GYN monitor you regularly, or did he (she) just become concerned when you had symptoms?   Mine wants to do endometrial Bx every year, but I am leaning toward every other year unless I have have symptoms.

  • Barbie7
    Barbie7 Member Posts: 386
    edited October 2011

    BetsyBuzz, I'm sorry to hear of your new diagnosis.  I pray that it is early, and that you will not need chemo or rads for it.

  • msphil
    msphil Member Posts: 1,536
    edited October 2011

    Hi sweetie, I too was on tamoxifen for 5 yrs and I got yearly pap test and check ups and Praise God doing good, I am now a 17 yr Survivor, so I believe that we must get regular check ups to be on top of things. God Bless Us ALL.  msphil(idc.stage 2, L mast, chemo, rads and tamoxifen 5 yrs, and also 3 nodes involved, and all my paps came back (Normal) thank GOD).  

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited October 2011

    Oh, Betsy, I am soooooo sorry. I remember you from the April 2009 Chemo group. I am sending healing thoughts your way. Tammy

  • sling99
    sling99 Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2011

    Thanks Betsybuzz. I am sad to hear you have to deal with this. I know of someone else who had endometrial cancer after taking Tamoxifen. She had surgery and rads. My onc and my family doc said no need to do any TVU unless I experience symptoms which makes me worried that something could go undetected and then it might be too late to avoid chemo or rads. Perhaps I shall push to have one anyway.

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited October 2011

    I'm so sorry to hear your news, BetsyBuzz - this all sucks so much!

    Had my follow up ultrasound, waiting to hear from gyn.  Tech said polyp seemed to be the same size (not have grown).  Wondering if gyn will just want to do follow up ultrasounds or if she'll still want to do a d&c.  And now that I'm emotionally OK with d&c.....*sigh.*

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011

    I was thinking, once I have my uterus taken out then shouldn't it be safer for me to go back on tamox then move to the AI's? I will ask my GYN onc next week he will probably defer to my med onc. I'm just curious. I really, really don't want to move to Al's.

    sweatyspice-my GYN said she would do a d&c if my biopsy showed polyps.

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2011

    I don't know what they are going to put me on or what my biopsy result is. I am hoping that my uterus weighs at least 20 lbs and each ovary weighs at least 5 lbs.

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011
    Perky -LOL...me too!Wink
  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited October 2011

    where did everyone  go? bump

  • perky
    perky Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2011

    Hi Betsy, Still here... Still haven't gotten biopsy results. I will call Wed if I don't here anything by then. Hope you are doing ok and I really hope this is the last jolt for all of us!

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited October 2011

    Perky, if your biopsy comes back negative, do you still need a hysterectomy?  And if you still want to do it anyway, can you keep your ovaries so that you avoid the surgical menopause?  Because it is true, with this BC, doctors will not give any HRT, so better to keep some natural hormone production going if possible.

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