Lymphedema Exercises DVDs?

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Nitocris
Nitocris Member Posts: 187
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hello ladies,

Have you tried one or more of the following Lymphedema exercises DVDs?  

-Steve Norton:  Lymphedema exercises for the Upper Extremities

- JoAnn Rovig:  Self-care for lymphedema patients - Upper Extremity

- Dr. Vodder International School: Arm exercise

 Which one would you recommend?  Thanks

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  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris--I have the Norton and the Rovig DVDs.  I did use them for awhile but they are $50 each.  I now use the Healthy Steps DVD by Sherry Lebed Davis.  I paid $35 and use it daily.  I was not being taught correct MLD at my first therapist and the Rovig DVD helped with that.  But now with a new therapist who taught me correctly I would not have had need for it.  Becky

  • inspiewriter
    inspiewriter Member Posts: 876
    edited October 2011

    Wow, I didn't even know these existed.  Thanks for mentioning!

  • quiche
    quiche Member Posts: 262
    edited October 2011

    Sherry Lebed Davis also has a series on YouTube. The name of the series is Healthy-Steps - Lebed Method and there are 12 short (5-7 min) videos in the series. The series I follow is the series numbered by roman numerals (I, II, III). There are quite a few entries so you have to dig a little to find them, but it's pretty easy once you get going. Here's the link to the first one:

    Healthy-Steps - Lebed Method Lymphatic Breathing Exercise Part I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2luK4JRAbo&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLA7581FC4F987C837

     Also on another board someone mentioned using an exercise ball so I dug mine out of the closet, dusted it off and have been sitting on it when I do these exercises. Makes it a little more fun and I think I'm getting extra exercise without really realizing it . . . now isn't that the best kind :-)

  • Nitocris
    Nitocris Member Posts: 187
    edited October 2011

    Hi, 

    Thanks for your answers.  Quiche, thanks for the link about the Lebed Method.  I found part I to X, very interesting and great fun.  I had heard about the Lebed method, but I did not know, there were so many videos available on Youtube.  It certainely makes Lymphedema exercises more fun!Laughing 

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited October 2011

    I use a Lebed DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Through-Therapeutic-Exercise-Movement/dp/B000HWY60G). I've looked at the Lebed YouTube exercises and don't find them as much fun to do or as comprehensive. This DVD really addresses the entire lymph system and is fun, besides.

    I need to say that I don't have lymphedema. However, I had a small seroma that lasted for three years after a bilateral mastectomy and suddenly seemed to be growing rather than shrinking. I ordered the Lebed DVD in the hope that it might help that fluid finally drain. Honestly, I didn't expect it to work. But less than ONE week after I began using the DVD, the fluid began to dissipate and within a few more days, it was gone.

    Also, I find the Lebed DVD to be a great stretching regime, which has helped me regain and keep range of motion, particularly on the side where I had radiation. I seem to recall that Binney uses the same Lebed DVD that I use and in the past has found it helpful for her lymphedema. Maybe she'll chime in.

    BTW, I've tried virtually all the Lebed products and find the DVD recommended above to be the best, for my needs, anyway.

    Barbara

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Barbara, you're making me feel so guilty--I have to start using the Lebed again--I really feel good afterwards, but we moved, and the computer is in an open space, and I like privacy, so I'll have to do it with a DVD player...

    You'd think I could figure this stuff out.

    Lebed is great.

    Kira 

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    I do the arm sections of the Lebed every day.  I am afraid not to.  I do feel so much better afterward.  So much more interesting than just doing them without the video.  Becky

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Another Lebed-user here!Laughing It stays stuffed in my video so I can do it in sections whenever I can grab a few minutes. More often when I'm having a flare. Works better than my (obviously ineptTongue out) self-MLD, and better than my Flexitouch.

    What DOESN'T work so well is my self-motivation, which wavers, and then I'm always sorry. I keep thinking I should start a neighborhood Lebed get-together, as there are some other women in the 'hood who could profit from it -- it's great for arthritis and some other ills as well -- and doing it together would help us all keep at it.

    Becky and Barbara, I so admire your perseverence! I'm gonna try to do better!Embarassed
    Binney

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    I also watch the Today Show while I do Lebed.  I turn the Lebed music down.  My only claim to being able to multitask!!  Becky

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited October 2011

    Binney,

    I wish we lived in the same neighborhood. I could use a little group motivation, plus it would be fun!

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited October 2011
    Another Lebed girl here!  I do the first 15 minute Lebed exercise every morning before work, after my normal exercise routine.  It's a great cool down, and agree with Erica that it's a great stretching regime, especially after I've done an upper body workout.  I couldn't stand watching the DVD anymore, so I wrote down the exercises so I can do them while I watch morning TV shows (the Major League Baseball Network's a.m. show, of course  Tongue out)   I can tell when I've been bad and skipped the Lebeds for a few days in a row - it really makes a difference in keeping my LE under control. 
  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    Maybe we should all meet at some airport and do a Flash Mob Lebed.  We would probably have to pay residuals on the music and to Sherry Lebed Davis.  If we all had wraps or sleeves on it would make a statement for LE.  Might make the national news.  Yes, I know, I need to get a life!  Becky

  • quiche
    quiche Member Posts: 262
    edited October 2011

    Becky . . . so many times I've wished this site had a "like" button. You did it once again . . . got such a chuckle out of your post picturing the Lebed Flash Mob :-)

    Natsfan: I do the same thing. I wrote up the exercises in sequence and keep that as a reference. Love that I can do the exercises while watching TV in my jammies without even leaving my recliner!

    Nitocris: Glad to hear you find this method fun . . . me too! I even bought some bubbles haha! Really didn't think I was going to go that far, but thought I'd give it a try. The best part, my dog gets such a kick out of them :-) I have to do it most every day to keep things in check so I figure I might as well enjoy it. I think it helps that you can feel the benefits right away, too. I always feel much better and looser aftewards.

  • Nitocris
    Nitocris Member Posts: 187
    edited October 2011

    Hello Ladies,

    Lots of Lebeb's fans out there!.  I watched all the Lebed  Lymphatic opening exercises  I could find on Youtube and wrote down all the instructions and translated them in Finnish for our little "lymfa Ladies" group here.   As some of the ladies don't speak English, I thought it would be nicer for them to have the instructions in their own language.  We will be meeting next week for an exercise session at the therapy pool , so I will tell them about the Lebed method and hopefully get them moving with some music and maybe blow bubbles too!!

    We started two weeks ago a sort of Aqua Lymphatic exercises program based on Dorit Tidhar's method (ALT- Aqua Lymphatic Therapy).   We read all the articles & reports that we could find on the web and with all that information worked out our little program.  Swimming is OK, but it does not specifically target arm lymphedema, neither does water aerobic.  We wanted to optimize our time in the pool and really get the best of it with regard to lymphedema.

     I just found out that there are 2 DVDs now available for ALT, one for arm lymphedema and one for leg lymphedema.   Here is the link in case some of you are interested:

    http://www.aqua-lymphatic-therapy.com/news.html

    The ALT DVD is also available on the Lymphedema Association of Quebec , but it does not say if it is the arm or the leg DVD. Here is the link:

    http://www.infolympho.ca/en/orderForms.htm

    I ordered the arm DVD straight from the ALT web site. Looking forward to receiving it.

    Take care.

  • quiche
    quiche Member Posts: 262
    edited October 2011

    WOW! Nitocris, That's phenomenal!! I have never heard of ALT but will definitely check it out. I've been anxious to get back in the pool and this may just be the tool to get me there. Thanks! Kudos to you and good luck with your classes. (Also, it's so extraordinary that we are able to share on an international level . . . breastcancer.org really does rock!)

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    Nitrocris--Thanks for the aqua info.  I used to do water aerobics and my therapist is encouraging me to get back in the water.  These will help.  Becky

  • Nitocris
    Nitocris Member Posts: 187
    edited October 2011

    Hi, 

    Quiche, as you said, Breastcancer.org rocks.  The Lymphedema Forum has been an invaluable source of information, support and exchange for me. I am so glad I found you. When I got lymphedema 2 years ago, the situation seemed pretty desperate.  Like many women here in Finland, I was pretty much on my own to deal with that terrible lymphedema.  To give you an idea of the situation, there is not one single lymphedema clinic  in the whole country (public or private), no lymphedema patient's association, no support network, no lymphedema management program, not even a book or leaflet on the subject!!! I have learned so much since then, and the good thing is that I have been able to pass on all that knowledge to other women here.  Last spring I founded the first finnish support group (there are 6 of us so far) and since then we have been meeting regularly and also trying to educate "lymfa ladies" (as we call ourselves  here),  particularly about self-management.  And it all started here!Laughing

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2011

    I don't like i LOVE the idea of a Lebed Flash mob in an airport! I have only done the youtube videos and have asked for the DVD for Christmas, I don't know if anyone will get the suggestion or not.

    Nitocris, I am glad that you found us here and are helping others in Finland. We are truly and international group!

    Sheila 

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris--I so admire you.  I don't know what I would have done alone.  Probably still wallowing in self pity.  Yes thank goodnes for Breastcancer.org. 

    Sheila--I hope Santa is listening!  I use my DVD every day.  We are probably almost neighbors.  I am in the foothills of the Smokies.  Just across the mountain from you! 

    Becky

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2011

    Becky I just googled your city and we are about 3 hours apart! it isn't that far. 

    Sheila 

  • quiche
    quiche Member Posts: 262
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris: Both amazing and inspiring. You go girl!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris, BRAVA!!!Kiss That's an amazing accomplishment. Do you have a website (or maybe space on somebody's Finnish breast cancer site) so others can find you? Lymphedema is a lonely business, for sure, and it's so exciting to hear about your outreach there.

    Becky and Sheila, do I sense a LE Flash Mob coming on?!! It could be a YouTube sensation!!Laughing

    Love it!
    Binney

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2011

    I could see a flash mob of two, now wouldn't that make the evening news! I stillhave to get the dvd so I can learn the dance steps.

    Sheila 

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited October 2011
    Yeah and after the "crowd" hears "remember slow is good in the Lebed Method and in brewing coffee" on the DVD all will be scrambling to find out what this method is!Embarassed  Becky
  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011
    Start with the bubbles and they'll love ya'!Laughing
    Binney
  • Nitocris
    Nitocris Member Posts: 187
    edited October 2011

    Hi Binney4,

     Thanks for your support!  We don't have a web site.  Our group is pretty small so far, but things have accelerated these last weeks.  Thursday, I am going to meet with the secretary of the Breastcancer Association in Helsinki and try to push the idea that they could  create a Lymphedema category on their web site  (information package, library, discussion board....). They have several hundreds members scattered througout the country, and  the best way to reach as many lymfa ladies as possible would be through internet. 

     Lymphedema was a lonely business at the beginning.  I contacted the Breastcancer association at the beginning of the year about this subject, but did not get any answer.  A bit discouraging, but then I thought that if this door does not open, another one will.  So, during the spring, I contacted a journalist of the local newspaper (a woman) and explained, that I was just angry and fed up of only reading about breast cancer in the newspaper, or watching programs on TV that only dealt with some aspects of breast cancer (newly diagnosed women, support programs for these women, or also about how good treatments are in Finland....).  But absolutely nothing about the consequences of the treatment.... Lymphedema!!!  That journalist was very interested; she came at my house to interview me and I tried to give her a lot of information about LE and also asked to put my contact details at the  end of the article because my project was to found a much-needed LE support group.  After the article was published, 6 women living in the area contacted me and we started our little group.  I just could not believe the total lack of information they had about the disease, about risk prevention and above all about self-management.  Since then, we have met several times and I have passed on a lot of information I found on this forum and many other web sites quoted on the forum.

    Last week, we had a second article published in the local newspaper because we signed a petition addressed to the local Health authorities asking that Lymfa therapy be also granted to LE  patients.  The title was "LE patients don't get helpful lymfa therapy".  In Finland, we get 2 compression sleeves per year (per person)  but lymfa therapy is denied on the basis that there is no scientific research showing that it works!!! can you believe that????  Once cancer treatments are over, LE patients have to go to private therapists and for some of them, it is just too expensive.

     We contacted our local member of parliament and she promised to bring the matter on the agenda of the next City council (which is this week).  We have contacted every member of the Council, explaining about LE and how important Lymfa therapy in the treatment of LE.  Hopefully, our voices will be heard and they will vote some extra money in the budget!!  Let's see.  Even if they don't, at least we are proud of ourselves, because we have done something and brought some attention on lymphedema for the first time!Laughing

    I scaned the articles, but I can't get them in with this post. 

    After the second article was published, 3 more women contacted us, so our little group is growing.  Hopefully, more will join.  I would like to organize a little workshop about self-management in collaboration with the Breastcancer association because there are no such programs here and it is definitely much needed. It would be also great to get the support of health care professionals... but unfortunately so far, not very many have shown interest.  Anyway, if they don't do anything, we will... in fact we already have.

     I will let you know how things develop.  In the meantime, greetings to everybody on the Forum.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris, I sent you a PMSmile,
    Binney

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    Am I the only one that hates doing Lebed?  It makes me feel like I'm 850 years old.  I feel like I'm old as black pepper after doing it.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    I hear you, Suzy! And, yes, I get it about the geezer quality of the slow movements and rather nutty comments. But doggone if it isn't the best routine for making my LE better, so I've more than made my peace with it.

    Do you have some thoughts about how the routine itself could be "younged down" a bit? A younger presenter? Different music? I wish there were several different DVDs that gave us a chance to switch around, but I have no imagination for how variety could be added.

    As old as black pepper, huh? Betcha that's really old. I'll have to go google the history of black pepper, but I'd guess salt is even older.

    Hugs,
    Binney

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited October 2011

    Nitocris - I'm in total awe of what you're doing!  YOU GO GIRL!!

    Suzy - don't watch the Lebed video anymore!!  Write down the moves, then you can do them to whatever music or shows you want. I watched it for about 2 weeks till I couldn't stand it any more ("DANCING!!").  So I wrote down the moves, now I do it in front of my morning TV - I use it as a cool down after my morning workout. This morning I jogged 2 miles at dawn, then came back and did my 15 minutes of Lebeds to cool down and stretch out.  I've grown to love the slow stretching movements and really miss the days when I skip it.    

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