Solaris Tribute in the freezer?

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Suzybelle
Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Thanks to my recent hysterectomy, the Solaris Tribute, (which I love) makes me burn like a volcanic fire.  I get so hot at night in the thing that I wind up pulling it off in my sleep.

I put it in the freezer yesterday and last night I slipped into it - HEAVEN.  I was able to keep it on 'til 2am but it occurred to me that this might not be such a great idea for the sleeve...my arm was fine.  It's basically like having fabric that's been in the freezer against your skin.  I suffered no frostbite or any problems that I can tell.

But I defer judgement on this until I hear from the smart ladies of the LE forum. 

Anyone???? 

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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited July 2011

    Suzy, Solaris recommends refrigerator, I do wonder if freezing the foam is bad for it. Stephanie Gamble, the outreach person there wrote about the fridge. Binney says to keep it away from smelly food....

    Feeling better?

    Kira 

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011

    I am feeling much better, thank you!  Still a bit sore, and I get tired easily, but doing really well.

    I guess I need to shoot them an email and ask.  I would prefer freezer b/c it's icy cold, but I don't want to ruin the foam, either.

    Thanks, Kira!

  • LeapFrog39
    LeapFrog39 Member Posts: 101
    edited July 2011
    yeah, don't put it next to the onions!Tongue out
  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011

    Ewwww, Frog - that's what Binney did.  I will definitely heed your advice.  Laughing

    Well, I just sent the Solaris folks an email, so I'll let you guys know what they say.  I told them I was a menopausal woman that needs all the cooling power I can get, so we'll see....

    S.

  • LeapFrog39
    LeapFrog39 Member Posts: 101
    edited July 2011

    Suzy - just out of curiosity, did your insurance pay for part of this or did you have to pay for the whole deal?

    I would really love to have these instead of wrapping at night, especially since I have LE in both arms (do you know how complicated it is to wrap both arms??? ugh!).

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011

    My insurance paid 80% - which was a big help. 

    I can imagine how tough it is to have it in both arms...I know Binney does too - you NEED two nightsleeves, IMO!!!!!

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited July 2011

    LeapFrog--My insurance pays 85% of a night sleeve.  I can have one a year (two if both arms).  Or if you have met your yearly catastrophic they will pay all of it.  It is so nice not to have to wrap every night.  I would hang myself up in wrapping if I had to do both arms!  I feel for you who do.

  • LeapFrog39
    LeapFrog39 Member Posts: 101
    edited July 2011

    I will check that out post haste!!

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011
    UPDATE:

    Solaris says the freezer will not harm the sleeve.  Hurrah!  I Think I'm going to start storing all my clothes in the deep freeze...it's 101 here today.  Yell
  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited July 2011

    Suzy, who knew??? You've helped a lot of women today.

    Kira

  • anna4969
    anna4969 Member Posts: 86
    edited September 2011

    Suzybelle

    I am so happy that I found this discussion.  I have a question for anybody who has the tribute.  I got mine today and so I am trying it out.  I have a question.  Are the inside and the outside of the tribute made with different materials.  I feel like mine was made backwards.  The outside of the sleeve feels silky smooth(it's pink) and the inside is a little more scratchy.  I was so excited to get this product and now I am not so sure.  If I could wear it inside out, I think I would be okay.  Any thoughts on this?  Why would they put the scratchier(is this even a word?) on the inside of the product that touches your skin? 

    Thank you in advance for answering.:)

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited September 2011

    Hi, Anna:

    Wow, that doesn't sound right....my solaris is definitely not scratchy.  but the inside of the material is different from the blue, silky outside.  It's a blue/white material, but it's not scratchy at all.

    If it's uncomfortable, contact Solaris.  They reworked my sleeve at no charge because it didn't fit well at all - they are AWESOME.  My tribute is fantastic now.

  • anna4969
    anna4969 Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2011

    Suzybelle

    Thank you for the hope with this.  I did call Solaris yesterday and she thinks that I need to wash it and get the corn starch off the material that it is manufactured with and then see how it feels.  I haven't had time to wash it yet, but sure do hope that is the reason.  Yes, they were really nice and she said I should not stress or be worried about this, in any event, they will make it right.  Nice to hear.  Finally, a company who really seems to have the customer in mind.  I know it is early to know about fit, but I am thinking mine might be a little to tight in the hand and top of shoulder and I mentioned this to her as well.  She again, reassured me not to worry, give it a whirl for a couple of weeks and if it is not good, they will remake it.  Did you get the sleeve that goes over the tribute?  And if so, when do you use that?  She told me it will give more compression to the tribute. 

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2011

    Anna, my first Tribute was black and I agree with you that the inside seemed very scratchy, especially when compared to a Solaris glove.   When it needed to be completely remade, I chose a different color and even asked Solaris if they could use the same fabric on the inside as what is used "on the outside.  The fabric used is moisture wicking type and with washings, it does get softer.  

    I remember reading that the Tribute should be washed before wearing and when I asked the reps about this, they told me it was because of the cornstarch that is used when the garment is made.  Can't imagine why cornstarch would make the fabric scratchier, though so I think it may just have to do with it being new material or possibly with the dyes.

  • anna4969
    anna4969 Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2011

    Sher,

    Thank you for that reply.  So what color did you then ask them to make it and did it seem to be softer then?  I did wash it today and boy, I still don't like the feel inside.  I am going to use it tonight and see how it goes.  Right, they told me exactly the same thing.  I wanted the material that is on the outside to be the inside material and she said the very thing that the inside material is the wicking.  I almost want to tell them, I don't care, just use it anyway.  I know it is a little too soon to go to that measure.  But I will tell you this when I took it out of the dryer and tried it on after washing and drying, it did not feel any better.  My color is pink.  But maybe I should choose a different color such as what you had yours remade in.  Did the new color, not the black, feel better then?  Boy thanks so much for answering.  I just am really getting upset about this situation.  Of course, I know they said don't stress and you are now the 2nd person who seems to have had a positive experience with them.  Did you happen to read where I mentioned that I am feeling like the hand and shoulder is too tight?  Sher, any issues with that for you?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Anna, when I first got the Solaris, it felt like burlap. I have the black with silver lining.

    My first Solaris needed to be completely redone: my LE is in my hand, and it's a one piece with finger spacers--and they really don't sew the hand well, as compared to their gloves--and the hand didn't fit at all.

    The re-do isn't perfect--for some reason they think a hand is a straight line, so my pinkie is hidden, but I had them make it longer as the first one barely came to my first knuckle. 

    I found that it wasn't doing a good job on my hand, and I met the president, Kathy Weatherly, at a conference with Binney, and she told me to stick a swell spot in the palm and it helps a lot.

    They will work with you until it's right. 

    Unfortunately, for me, I just don't find it does as good a job on my hand as wrapping, so I just use it about once a week, and for flying. If I got another one, I'd get it redone until the hand fit was really right. It's too expensive to hang out in the closet most of the time.

    The company really is customer friendly, but this is such a hassle.

     Suzy had hers completely redone. So, quite often it takes a few attempts until they get it right. Binney had them do a chest garment over several times.

    Hang in there.

    They're nice people in Wisconsin, and will do the right thing--sometimes, as a patient, it's hard to know what the right thing is, so a good fitter can be invaluable. I had the fitter tell them how to redo the hand. And now, I'd weigh in as well.

    Kira

  • anna4969
    anna4969 Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2011

    Kira

    Thanks so much for your reply!!!  The more information the better and with so many helpful replies, I am feeling more confident that this will eventually work well for me.  How long did it take your black solaris to finally feel soft inside?  Was it after a number of wears and washes? 

    I am sorry you have had such a problem and hassel with the fingers.  I don't have the fingers seperate but more like a mitten with out the tips.  It feels a little too tight there.  I guess, I just have to try it out for a bit and see if that will stretch on it's own.  You are so right though as the patient, how does one really know what is a good fit.  I had a lot of faith in my fitter but then I just found out that the sleeve she told me went on first and then the tribute over that, is completely wrong.  The sleeve is the over jacket, per solaris.  So....here I thought she knew what she was talking about, and now maybe not so much.  Did you happen to get that over jacket for yours?

    By the way, I'm from Wisconsin and live about 15 miles from Solaris' headquarters.  Lucky for me, I guess.  But I don't think a patient deals directly with them for fittings and such.  I suppose, if they just can't get it right, I will see if I can go to their headquarters and have one of their people fit it. 

    And thank you for the information about wearing it for flying. I was kind of wondering about that. I have a flight to MD Anderson in November and will wear the tribute then instead of my wraps. Does the tribute do as good of a job on flights as the wraps do?

    :) Thanks again Kira.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Anna, hello!

    I have the over-jackets for my Solaris sleeves/gloves. I use them for flares, and they're good for traveling too. When I fly I wrap over my Solaris (just the short stretch bandages, not the stockinette or foam pieces) and that works well too. I also use the Solaris for trips to the ER or other medical procedures. They have never seen such a thing and they're awed and impressed and much more ready to listen to me. When I just wear my day garments they want me to take them off so they can use my arm (!), but the Solaris gives them pause.CoolKiss So, very useful item.

    Hang in there!
    Binney

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2011

    Hi Anna,

    My Tribute was remade in teal and the inside is the same color, just a lighter shade.  And yes, the teal with teal lining was softer right at the start than the black with silver lining.  The moisture wicking lining does seem to catch and snag on my very dry cuticles, but a little lotion on my fingertips helps with that.  

    When the first Tribute arrived, I was totally shocked at how the hand/fingers were made - much different than the Tribute or Caresia gloves.  I really, really didn't like the hand part, so when I called Solaris and they agreed to remake the garment for me, I was going to opt for a two piece garment with separate sleeve and glove.  But Solaris said they would make a one piece garment for me with the hand made similar to their glove, which included a separate sewn-in thumb.  My therapist added extra measurements and tracings for finger length, etc.  I'm very pleased with my Tribute - everything was made pretty near perfect to what we asked except the garment is a little long on my thumb and little finger.  Solaris said I could send it back to have that corrected,but I wear it every night and didn't want to give it up even for a couple of days.  

    I'll try and figure out how to post a picture, but will have to go search for the how-to.  I wasn't crazy about the diagonal lines across my fingers at first, but Solaris said they needed to be there and I've gotted used to them so it's no longer a bother.

     

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2011
  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2011

    Sorry this is so big, but not too bad for my first time posting a picture, right?  Here's a shot of the whole thing which I should have put together with the last one. 

      Photobucket

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Anna, I never got the jacket. but do put a short stretch over it when I fly--I didn't on the flight home this weekend, and it didn't work as well.

    I've flown wrapped--when I had a long flight, and when the flight is shorter, I use the Solaris for the ease of putting it on and taking it off.

    It has gotten softer. Mine doesn't have the nice thumb like Sher's--and I still wonder about the curve of the finger tips--but I do know Solaris will work with you to make it right.

    How could the fitter NOT know that the over jacket is for OVER??? I also have a jovipak and I went to the NLN conference and got their brochure, and it says that the jovi is meant to be worn with the jovi jacket or short stretch bandage. When I asked the fitter about the Solaris, she said it didn't need it, but for flares or flights, to use a 6 cm short stretch over it. 

    I find the jovi is sewn nicer, but they put so little padding in the fingers, that it just wasn't helpful for me, but it sure is a nice piece of sewing, and has a palmar swell spot sewn right in, and the fabric is soft. The Solaris looked crude in comparison, but worked better. 

    I wonder, if you called over there, if they would see you? It would be very helpful for them to understand first hand (literally) what your issues are.

    When I told Kathy Weatherly about how it wasn't doing the trick for my hand, she suggested either a dorsal swell spot on the top of my hand (way too big) or the palmar one for the palm--works very well, I just slip it into the palm, silver side in, and put it on.

    I hope they see you in person.

    Kira 

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    I think I'm going to try the jovi-pak.  I love my Solaris, but it takes two days to dry the thing, and I hate having to mess with the bandages at night. It's wierd - I don't mind doing them during the day, but I'm too sleepy in the a.m. to deal with them.

    Yes, I'm insane.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Suzy, I don't mind the wraps at night--I just hate taking the time to take them off in the morning.

    I got the jovipak and wore it like twice.

    I did have a to the elbow jovipak open fingered glove that I kind of ordered myself, the month I got LE, as I was winging it without any therapist input, and I called the company and JoAnn Rovig sent me to this fitter who just mailed it to me, without ever checking the fit. My fingers got worse with it, and when I saw this LE PT at Mass General, she told me to "put it in my sock drawer" and wrap to the elbow. And, Binney called this PT "bizzaro" because she's very smart and well trained but things just got totally weird between us: she had me wrap to the elbow and when I got a pocket of fluid above the elbow, she told me it was swelling but not LE! So, in an effort to get rid of me, she had me get a Solaris and told me how proud she was that I would finally "accept" a night garment! Um, I came to her with a night garment.....Bizarro. 

    So, in my quest for a night garment I did get another fitter to get me a full arm jovipak and I really should give it another chance. It has the jacket.

    I got a lot of expensive oven mitts in my sock drawer....

    Kira

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    kira, I sent my le therapist the jovipak info - she's checking it out.  BUT - I really think I'm going to get it. 

    I think you missed where I said in the 'ah, nuts' thread that my le therapist used your article in her lecture on LE saturday - and the stepup/speakout link, and those were the only two sources she really pushed.  She had articles from other sources, but she really pushed you guys.  I was so proud!!!!  She's very impressed with my 'connections'.  heh heh.

    Ditto on dealing with the bandages in the a.m.  I HATE that.  I can wrap all night, and don't mind sleeping in it, but unwinding and then re-winding in the mornings just wears me out.  Plus my dog wants to 'help'.  It's just too much.

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2011

    Suzy, you don't put your Tribute in the dryer? 

    On low heat, I run mine with dryer balls for 2 hours, but noticed that it was still damp inside right above the wrist - probably because of the digit spacers.  Anyway, I came up with a brainstorm to after the 2 hours in the dryer, I use my hair dryer set on cool or low heat to blow air the inside the sleeve top.  Works like a charm to dry those inside spots while not over drying the outside!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011
    Sher, that's really clever!Cool Thanks!
    Binney
  • KS1
    KS1 Member Posts: 632
    edited October 2011
    Hi all,

    Ideally, I would ask my therapist these questions, but her next available opening is in November, but since the Tribute thread is active, I thought I could get advice from the group about some "issues" I'm having with my new Tribute tip-of-finger to axilla night garment.

    First, let me reiterate how fantastically responsive the Solaris folk are. I had to return the first one because the thumb was bizarrely short. The Solaris people were, as always, great and remade it from scratch and sent me a new Tribute in less than 2 weeks! In the replacement Tribute, the thumb is long enough, but the index finger is really tight (my index finger hurts and is bright red after wearing it for an hour) and the pinky finger is really loose (my pinky swells).

    The other thing is that, compared to my 1.5 year old Tribute, the new one has much less fill. The new one feels snug enough, but when I take it off, there are very few wrinkly indentations on my arm skin (as opposed to my old Tribute which leaves lots of marks). (There is one spot with virtually no fill (unfortunately a place with fibrosis), but I suspect I could push some fill into the bare spot.)

    How important is amount of fill for LE control? How do you know if your Tribute is adequately full? When I send the new Tribute back to have the fingers fixed, should I also ask them to fill it up more?

    The people at Solaris are SOOO nice I don't want to ask them to remake it a second time, but the Tribute is so expensive, I want it to be "just right." -- KS1

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    KS1--I only have the one Solaris, but I would definitely address the fill issue with them, and the lack of indentations after you wear it. It should be just right for the price, and I actually think the way they handle hands is kind of "crude".

    When Binney and I met Kathy Weatherly at the conference, she talked about a garment for Binney that took a year to straighten out and Kathy herself picked out the foam for it. 

    If you don't let them know, they won't know about the quality issues.

    Suzy: thank you for making my day that your therapist uses the article! We actually got a request from Nancy Hutchinson MD to use it for all the oncologists in Minnesota. I did update it, and want to get the updates on the web site. Tell your therapist thank you--and thank YOU!!

    If I get a chance I'll take photos of all the gear from my sock drawer.

    Kira

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited October 2011

    Suzy,

    I put my Tribute in the dryer on low, but always along with the last dryer load that already been dried.  That seems to help it dry faster, having the other dry stuff to flop around with.  Takes two times through, so about 1-1/2 hours. 

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