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  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited October 2011

    Ladies...............I too have LE, and was reading about it before I went for my surgery.......Thank heavens I did because I was the one who realized something was wrong.................It happened about 6 weeks after surgery, and 2 weeks into radiation............

    I saw a LE specialist right away, and she confirmed what I already knew to be true........she taught me how to "wrap", and within 2 weeks I went from a measurement of 12 % down to 4%..............She said I "wrapped" so good, she asked if I would mind doing a "video" with her to put on CD's for her patients who had trouble wrapping.................my son did the video, first her showing me what to do,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then we doing the wrap myself.......................she told me I was her poster child for LE wrapping..............I didn't mind at all, as long as it helped someone else.....................

    The truth is LE gets little or no attention because every BC patient doesn't get it...........if everyone did, more would be known about it.........................it is outrageous since chemo is done, and then (hopefully). over.....................Rads are also done...........and then again (hopefully) over........................LE is forever...........it is never over, so to me that is equally, if not more important then anything cancer brings to us.................but again...............as long as it is not recognized as a "great possibility"........................it will be treated like a 2nd class citizen.................shameful, but that is fact.............

    Maybe we should pick a "color bracelet"..................for LE...................oh, forget that, we wear a sleeve which causes all the idiots out there to ask "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR ARM".........................like the woman at the nail salon who said to me  "OH YOU MUST HAVE HAD BREAST CANCER...........YOUR WEARING A WRAP ON YOUR ARM FOR LE.......................I answered.................YEA, AND THANKS FOR BEING SO IGNORANT TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONES ATTENTION......................considering "ITS NONE OF YOUR ;BUSINESS"......................I have met them all.............I have gotten "oh what did you do slug the old man"..............."oh did you break your arm"................what's with the arm statement"......................"is that a new fashion"......................yes, I have heard it all.......................but I usually say  "NO I HAD CANCER".........................shuts them up everytime....................hugs ladies.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    Oh, Tina. Thank you for your kind words. And now I have some words for you: Hang in there!!! I agree that insurance can be such a pain. I had fight so hard for so many things regarding cancer - including my Jovi Pac way back when I got it. It seems a never ending battle. I am certain you have already tried calling them in addition to writing letters... but I did find that sometimes the phone calls have worked better - because every now and then you end up with a sympathetic ear. It doesn't always happen, but sometimes it does and then things magically get put through. I know it is so time consuming and emotionally depleting, but keep trying. And we are all here when you want to scream and poke someone's eyes out! LOLOLOL... wait, maybe I am the only one that wants to do the eye poking... Oops, no Suzy does too! Something she wants to write for "O" about a "pen in the eye"... Wink  And I understand the dressing room frustration as well. I know you had your implants removed and intend to stay flat. Please know that if it is something that is making you really sad, there are other options. I am not trying to say anything about anyone that doesn't mind being flat - I envy these women that can be so confident! I tried... and I couldn't manage it - so, well, I think you know the rest. Just know that mine was delayed reconstruction after failed expanders... and it is always an option if you feel it would benefit you someday! Please look in that mirror, raise your chin up and know that although most of us haven't met, we all know you are strong and beautiful. ((((hugs)))

    Kira - Thank you for empathizing! And everyone else! 

    Caryn - I think I owe you an apology. And I was going to send it PM, but since I publicly exploded on you, I thought I should puplicly apologize. So I am sorry! I just had a really sh*tty week... and unfortunately I used you to scapegoat! (Not that I didn't have it out with my husband too... but he was somewhat deserving of the diatribe, you were not).

    Ducky - I love your posts!

    As for my ride... it was lovely! A little chilly, VERY windy (I could have done without the wind for sure - which was so strong that when I turned a corner into the wind, I went from 18 mph down to 11 in a matter of seconds) but so much fun and so therapeutic!  I did not witness it, but my brother in law wrecked (the guys left me because apparently I am too slow for them... lol) at 20mph when he got nudged off the road by his friend and his bike came to a complete stop in gravel (and of course my BIL's body was still traveling at 20mph) and has some major road rash on his hip and knee, but other than that we all came home safe. AND the braces are much less painful (thank goodness), although my diet is extremely limited and this made it hard to stay fueled up on my ride! Thank goodness for soft PB&J! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Nordy, it really sounds like the ride was good for you. Glad your brother in law was okay in spite of his spill. Thanks for sharing about your difficulty in getting your Jovi Pac. I guess fighting with insurance co's isn't that unusual. I actually have to call Blue X to relay some info, so it wouldn't hurt to use that time to plead my case "live". As you say, sometimes you do reach someone with a sympathetic ear, so I will keep trying. I worry I am so close to exploding that I avoid making a call as I fear it will backfire on me. I like to represent myself in a calm yet firm manner, but maybe a little eye poking would be helpful!




    Hey, you know what's funny about the dressing room mirrors? I'm actually getting used to being flat - it's the REST of my body that's gone to pot during this long process that I find depressing! I am more embarrassed about my saggy butt, jiggly legs and love handles than my funky chest. Where is that butt I could bounce quarters off of? Okay, maybe menopause is partly to blame, but I really have never been this out of shape in my life. I know the "just do it" mantra is true, but I have so lost my motivation. And other things have required my attention, but I am starting to see an end in sight and should be able to devote more time to exercise. Thank you for your encouragement and for reminding me that beauty isn't all about our physical being. Most of the time I cut myself some slack, but those dressing room mirrors bring me to my knees! :-)

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    Tina - Yes, I don't know why they don't make the dressing room mirrors make everyone look awesome! They would certainly sell alot more clothes that way! And YES, menopause is to blame!! I swear it is true!

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited October 2011

    Don't know about you ladies.......................but here in the Philly suburbs we have dressing room mirrors........................................oh do we have dressing room mirrors.......................we have the type that are 3 way . ......................not only do they show you the pitiful front view of how you look, but their kind enough to show you, yourself from every angle.................now if that isn't depressing, nothing is............................everytime I get in front of one, I 'm wiating for the "clown" to jump out of somewhere, cause I swear they purchase them from the same place they get the "scary shit" from in the fun houses at th boardwalk, and the carnivals.you remember those, the type that you look into in the fun house and you laugh your ass  off because your so out of shape.

    Bless all of you who have stores without "3 way mirrors"...........................have a great day ladies.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Tina and Nordy, it's not just about finding somebody with "a sympathetic ear," which might be impossible -- it's about wearing them down. Screw up your eye-poking courage and call again -- and again, and again. Have you requested a case manager?

    Tina, those mirrors level me too. I've ended up in tears. But this season seems to be just made for us -- lots of scarfs and vests and drapy things that act as gentle camouflage. Nice to see workable styles in all the windows. Whew! Courage!

    Ducky, I too think of fun-house mirrors when they have those 3-ways. Only it ain't much fun!Tongue out

    Tina, I hear you on the lack of motivation, and over the summer I finally decided to just START -- SMALL. I jog around the house for a few minutes at a time. Jog the laundry out to the laundry room and jog in place while the washer fills. It felt so great to be doing even that little bit instead of fretting about it, that I've worked up to a variety of exercises throughout the day. After just these few months I find the self-congratulation of doing those few exercise bursts really boosts my spirits.Cool

    Nordy, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't find biking against the wind exhilarating, but I'm so delighted it did so much for your spirits! And as a mere laundry room jogger, I'm in total awe of you! You inspire!

    Hugs, all,
    Binney

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    Binney - I LOVE the laundry room jogging! I don't do that! And I should... Instead I do finger sprints on the keyboard... LOL! Oh, and ride my daughter's scooter home from school after dropping her off. It is great fun- low impact and I highly recommend it! Why should the kids have all the toys?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Binney, I will remember that about wearing them down and make myself call more often. I think they wore ME down with getting my surgery approval back in April. I called every week just to hear the same blah blah blah.

    Here's a question about the appeals process. I have told Blue X that I will be appealing the denial of the Solaris vest. I specificically said to put it in my file while I was on the phone with them. Every time I call, I ask them to put everything I say in my file. The garment provider that received my doctor's prescription (not Solaris itself) was going to handle the appeal on my behalf. My doctor has already started a new job at the same hospital but in a different department. Her (previous) assistant faxed my doctor's resubmission of the letter of medical necessity. The assistant then refaxed the letter with all of the articles you and Kira suggested. I received a response from Blue X that they have identified my doctor's previous assistant as the person who will be handling my appeal. I confirmed with the assistant that she/doctor didn't want to handle and would rather have garment provider do. The garment provider said that they know all the ins and outs of getting things approved, etc, are successful with the appeals process, and willing to handle mine. First of all, I need to call Blue X and straighten out who is handling my appeal, and then I can sign and send the consent form that lets Blue X communicate about my case with them. So this is the call I need to make. Question: Do I need a case manager if I have someone who is going to handle the appeal process for me?

    I think with LE I have become afraid to exercise, as it sometimes triggers flares. So I am ambivalent, whereas I used to be enthusiastic. I also think of myself as out of shape and question whether I can do certain things. Speaking of bike riding, last weekend I spent a couple of days with my childhood friend who still lives in our old town. We went for a bike ride - I used to ride for miles without thinking about it, but I questioned whether I would be able to make it down the street. Well, not only did we ride out a back road and take a winding route around town, but I did it without being tired at the time or sore the next day. I LOVED it! I was having such fun that it tricked my brain. And, Binney, you are right, it made me feel so good about myself. It also proved to me that a lot of the thoughts in my head about what I am capable of doing are flat out wrong. So now I want a bike but don't know where I can store it. I am working on that . . 

    Ducky! I've been meaning to tell you I live in suburban Phila. Yes, they are funhouse dressing room mirrors! 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Tina, you probably don't need a case manager since you have a fitter willing to go to bat for you. But once you get this taken care of, you might want to think about it for the future. You have a chronic condition that requires at least twice yearly contact with insurance, and there will always be new questions coming up, so it's a good thing to have somebody able to hand-carry your requests to completion. Case managers are for people with complicated medical needs, so you might qualify, and it's a help.

    That fear of exercise with LE is hard to get around, but worth the effort. Once we know how to handle flares ourselves we're free to try whatever we'd like (one thing at a time, though, so we can tell how well it works -- or doesn't!) We need to take advantage of the freedom and experiment with activities we'd like to do. Go for it! (We hang our bikes by the wheel under the eaves on a hook, BTW, and our son hangs his in a corner of his apartment bedroom on a hook as well. Doesn't work for our tandems, but it's fine for a single-person bike or a unicycle.)
    Binney

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, Binney. I will look into getting a case manager once this vest issue is resolved. Blue X told me about the case manager, but I wondered who their employer is. Is it Blue X? So even if they work for Blue X they will help facilitate the process within the company? 

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Member Posts: 1,577
    edited October 2011
    So I think you guys will love this one - I was a women's retreat this weekend wearing my cute Lymphedivas sleeves.  Since it was hot and I had short sleeves many of the women asked me what had happened, I would explain.  But there was this one woman who told me how lucky I was to have breast cancer, because that was the easy cancer, and that almost no one dies from it anymore - OMGosh, I was too stupified to answer, and by the time I got my wits back, she had moved on to talk to someone else.  So I guess we all should be really greatful to only have the cancer that no one dies from!!!YellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYell
  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    Linda, just when you think the bar for stupid cannot possibly be raised any higher, along comes somebody who does just that.

    Wow.  I'm sure you had to pick your chin up off the ground.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Tina, the case manager works for Blue X--hopefully they help you navigate the healthcare system, but Blue X is their boss.

    Linda: gotta second what Suzy said--how dumb can you get??? And who asked for this unsolicitied pearl of wisdom? And, if she had a clue, she'd realize how completely wrong she was...

    Kira

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited October 2011

    Linda, maybe she just needs to read the Angel's List here.

    40,000 women a year in the U.S. alone is almost no one?

    My jaw hit the floor so hard it's sore now. Can you see that person pushed a rather sensitive button?

    Leah

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Yep, Tina, they work for Blue Cross. But they're a constant point of contact for you, and they really can be a huge help navigating around the phone-answering trained chimps you usually have to deal with. (SurprisedDid I say that?!!Embarassed) Also, you educate this one person about LE and then you don't have to educate them every time you need anything. And they get to know your contacts, too (doctors, fitters), so if they have questions they know where to get the answers. I've had very good experiences with them. Worth a try...
    Binney

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011
    Linda -- too much pink, too little awareness. Aaaaaaaugh!
    Binney
  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Leah, three weeks after my diagnosis, I was at my daughter's wedding, and my SIL's sister is a former student of mine, and she was telling me how sorry she was to hear of my diagnosis, and their mother--a professor at a medical school, a PhD in cytogenetics (whatever that is) said "Why are you upset? They cure that cancer!"

    My SIL said "Welcome to my world...."

    Leah, Happy New Year, and as Suzy always says, you can't cure stupid.

    Kira

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited October 2011

    Wow Linda.  How would you respond to that if she hadn't moved on?

    There's a great Pinktober thread in the Stage III forum (I am also stage III).  I really am ticked off by the happy proclamations that this disease can be cured as long as it's caught early, I think that message, when worded that way (a la Andrea Mitchell) is very, very hurtful in a lot of ways.  For gosh sakes, what does that say about those of us who didn't get a diagnosis of "early" cancer?  We were just slugs?  And it's not even true; it just leaves people ignorant.   And then holy cow, how lucky is it to get lymphedema?  Or neuropathy?  Or a frozen shoulder?  Or post-mastectomy pain syndrome?  There are plenty of women out there who won't have a recurrence but will live the rest of their lives with these hidden issues that even healthcare providers often don't know about.

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Member Posts: 1,577
    edited October 2011

    Outfield - I'm not really sure what I would have said, because if I had responded immediately, it probably have been counterproductive, and definitely would have been rude. Maybe people like that should be redirected to this site to read the threads, especially those that had no symptoms, found it while small on a mammo and were stage IV.  I think that Pinktober does us a disservice, it makes BC seem light and fluffy, full of smiles and successes.  They never show the woman puffed up by steroids, no hair, no eyebrow or eyelashes - looking like a Lex Luther, or Uncle Fester look alike, or the pain and illness we suffer from all of the different therapies we are subjected to in order to live to see our children and grandchildren become adults. They don't show the tears, fears, depression, pain... that we suffer. They only show the smiling faces, pink t-shirts and camaraderie at the Walks. 

    So many people ask me "how are you""is your cancer cured""are you in remission - what do you say, well I'm NED, and I'm on disability because, now, I have dibilitating pain, neuropathy, LE, damaged muscles and nerves in my shoulder from the radiation, I can't pick up my grandkids because I can't trust me knees to lift me or my arm to keep them safe - the need to show the real faces of the disease, it might even generate more money for research, though the donations might be out of pity, but.... Ok I'll stop ranting now.

    I'm so glad that I have forum to rant on. thank you all for listening.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    Tina - They now make folding bikes that store in a suitcase! They range in price, but I hear more and more about them (I do not have one). I encourage you to look around and see if there is a place that you can test ride one. Dahon is (I think) one of the better manufacturers of folding bikes.  http://www.dahon.com  You can start there and then go look around. I really am starting to see a lot of commuters on these bikes - so they are being made better than they used to be.

    Linda... I don't even know what to say... but suffice it to say that I wish I had been there... especially last week! LOLLOLOLOL! And really, everyone is right: you can't fix stupid!    BTW - the one regret I have is not dressing as Uncle Fester for Halloween when I was still bald and puffy! I also thought about being half man half woman, since I had had my mastectomy a month before... I didn't do it - but that would have really freaked some people out! I wish I had done it! That maybe would have topped the giant tampon costume I made (yes I sewed it) and wore out clubbing on Halloween one year...  LOLOLOLOL

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