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  • kathylyon
    kathylyon Member Posts: 84
    edited September 2011

    Hi  - can someone tell me their experience with DIEP surgery that just involves one breast?  I have already had a MX  on one side and am now considering my options for reconstruction.  How long was the surgery, length of stay in hospital. recovery time at home until you felt fairly good again.  thanks

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited September 2011

    kathylyon: I had delayed uni diep; I had a skin sparing mx with a tissue expander and had my uni-diep about 5 months later. My procedure was 6 hours, I was in the hospital for 5 days, my drains were out at the ten day mark and I felt pretty great at that point . . . I get thrush from the antibiotics and nausea from the pain meds; those were the worst part of my recovery. I am super happy I went with DIEP; no foreign objects in my body, no  worry about side effects from implants, and no replacement required every 10 years or so.

    So much depends on your surgical team, where you have surgery, your physical health, the kind of support you have and some seems to be the luck of the draw in regards to complications, many of which can happy with implants as well, such as infection. The success rate is quite high when you have an experienced team; the more DIEP's under their belt the better. Don't consider a surgeon or facility that doesn't have ALOT of experience with the procedure.

    Kathy

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited September 2011

    I had immediate uni MX and DIEP reconstruction with a lift to the left breast.  Surgery was about 5.5 hours.  Maybe less.  I felt really good about 3.5 weeks after surgery.  Only really in pain for about a week.  Abdomen was really feeling good since about 3.5 weeks.  The node dissection gave me more problems than the abdomen after the first week.

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited September 2011

    treesprite, I freaked out when I actually had a surgery date.  But after some time for it to settle in I was fine.  I did do a lot of nesting before surgery.  It's funny the things we do to get ready.  At least I had the energy to do it. :)

  • kcobb
    kcobb Member Posts: 12
    edited September 2011

    SAMayoFL and Just_V -- I had a mastectomy in 2008 when diagnosed with infiltrating DCIS and I'm scheduled for a Prophylactic mastectomy and double DIEP on October 13. 

    SAMayoFL -- please share any info you can about what Just_V and I can expect.

     Thanks!

  • Just_V
    Just_V Member Posts: 841
    edited September 2011

    Wow... nice to know there are others out there going through the same thing... sounds like quite a few of us...kcobb and SAMayoFL.... do let me know what to expect... I am still freaking out a bit about the surgery...

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited September 2011

    Kcobb and Just_V, I am almost afraid to post my experience.  I may jinx myself.  Before my surgery, the girls on this board will tell you I was a basket case.  I actually kept myself so busy that I was excited to be able to rest in the hospital.  I was seriously doing a ridiculous amount of stuff in order to avoid thinking about my surgery!  My surgery was on Wednesday and it took about 9 hours for my second mastectomy and reconstruction.  Thursday and Friday were difficult days.  I really can't say I was in pain because the nurses do a fabulous job of keeping you comfortable.  I am fiercely independent and I had to depend on someone for everything for those first couple of days.  I couldn't get out of bed by myself, it was hard to eat or drink without help, etc.  The third day was a little better but the fourth day was amazingly better.  I was so amazed by how much better I felt every single day.  My DH and I stayed at the Hope Lodge in Charleston.  There was a flight of stairs going into the Hope Lodge and we stayed on the second floor.  I was able to climb stairs four days post surgery.  On day 6 we borrowed a wheel chair because it was hard for me to walk long distances and I got tired quickly and we went to the SC Aquarium.  On day 7 we toured an aircraft carrier where I had to climb several ladders and on day 8 we took a harbour cruise where I got out on the dance floor and bebopped to some '80's music.  On day 12 I went back to work (at a desk job).  I worked 6 hours the first week and then went back to my 40 hour work week the week after.  I can honestly tell you that, for me, worrying about the surgery was far worse than the surgery. My last dose of narcotic pain medication was on Saturday morning.  I took a half of a Valium, which is a muscle relaxer, for my back pain on and off for the next week but that was about it.

    It sounds like both of you were in the same situation I was in.  A mastectomy on one side and your normal breast on the other side.  My DH and I are very active and I was very self conscious about my disfigured torso.  My MX left a hole that sunk in between two ribs and my prosthesis was heavy, hot and miserable.  8 weeks after surgery I LOVE my new noobs.  Before surgery I was convinced that Dr. Kline could never make my totally flat side that didn't have any extra tissue match my other side but he did!!  Now I don't want ya'll to think I am going to win a modeling contract or wet tshirt contest by any means.  I definitely have the scars to show what i have been through but I am so much happier with how I look now than I was before.  I will tell you that I squeeze my noobs every single day and say a prayer of thanks for them!

    I can only think of two other things to share.  First, I started taking a stool softener about three days before surgery.  The day after surgery I asked for a laxative and I alternated stool softeners with a laxative for about 10 days post surgery.  The combination of anesthesia and pain meds can make constipation get bad really fast.  The other thing that has been hard for me is even at 8 weeks out I am swollen between my ab incision and my belly button.  I have lost about 15 pounds so my pants are baggy in the behind and thigh but I can't button them for anything!  And if I force them to button I am miserable.  For the most part I am still wearing dresses or pants with a long shirt so I don't have to button them.  Going back to work and having to dig around for something to wear every day has been difficult.

    I feel like I was really lucky though this surgery.  I know that the road has been much more difficult for some ladies.  I hope I don't sound like I am bragging!

    If you are interested in seeing my pictures I will be happy to share them with you.  Just send me a PM.

    Best of luck.  Stay on the boards.  The girls on this thread were my life lines.  I don't think I would have made it through without my sisters here!

    Susan

  • Just_V
    Just_V Member Posts: 841
    edited September 2011

    wow. susan.  Thank you soooo much for sharing... I know with my UMX/TE, the anticipation of the surgery was the worst (well, except for the drains... but now, I knoiw to tape down the tube from the drain about 2 inches below the incision- makes a HUGE difference)..... but your explanation has eased some of my fears...

  • jenn333
    jenn333 Member Posts: 178
    edited September 2011

    Hi all - had my DIEP surgery 9/14 and all going well but at the follow up with the breast surgeon Tuesday was told reexcisional surgery required to get clean margins in one area. Unfortunately that area is near the blood supply to the flap so the PS will be on the surgical team as well.



    Anyone have a reexcision after DIEP surgery? Just trying to get an idea of what recovery will be like.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited September 2011

    jenn so sorry to hear you have to have a reexcision.

    This thread has been so wonderful with getting information.  I will probably be the longest one on here before I ever have my BMX and diep.  Many of you have questioned the fact that I have to gain weight and that there are other doctors that can find it in other places.  I called my PS and talked to him about it and he made it much more clear to me.  My biggest problem is my damage from radiation.  He said that my blood supply has been damaged which is going to make the recovery harder.  He said the hips, thighs, and buttocks have much smaller blood supplies and the fact that some muscle is used that constricts he feels that would be a high chance of failure.  Also implants are out of the question for the failure rate as well.  He said with the diep there is a large blood vessel that he can move my stomach muscles around and get to it to harvest for my new blood supply.  He feels this is the only way to go because of my damage.  So with the fact that I am thin I need to gain weight. He told me not to worry about the size so much because he will use as much tummy fat as possible and we will fat graft later and get as much as we can for additional size and shaping. He promised me I would be happy when it is all said and done. Thanks for all the comments or I would not have questioned it.  And I think it was a good thing for me to do.

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited September 2011

    Hi Sherry,  I recently had the DIEP.  I too had a lot of radiation damage, strange thing after surgery the doctor said I had better blood supply on the rads side than the non rad side.  She told me that the DIEP would be the best solution to replace all the radiation damage.

    I had my incision open in a small area. I am so unique! But it is healing slowly. I went to the doctor today & she said she would just continue to let it heal & fix it in my Stage 2 surgery. Then she would remove more of the radiation damaged skin.  I had more radiation than the average person because I had Inflammatory bc. At least it's not in the same area that I had trouble with before the surgery.

    While I didn't hear exactly what I wanted to hear. I just have to be patient.  She is an awesome doctor & I trust her.

    Sending good thought & prayers for you surgery. NJ

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited September 2011

    jenn333: How are you doing otherwise? Is your recovery going well?

    What does reexcision mean? Do they need to remove extra tissue in addition to the breast tissue that was removed

    mrsnjband: Here comes my vitamin C nag again! Pumping up your vitamin C intake does amazing things for healing if you aren't already giving that a try. You need more than what is supplied by food unless you are taking in alot of C.  You would think the people that make emergen-c are paying me to promote it!

    Just V: that is a great tip to tape down the drain tube! The accidentally tugging on the drain tube caused me a lot of discomfort and those drain exit points got super sore! So simple, but it never occurred to me . . . a great tip!

    I second Susan on taking the stool softener ahead of surgery.The post-surgery constipation thing can be miserable and the last thing you need is to be straining with the tummy incision. I used metamucil consistently a few weeks ahead and then ate lighter and lighter in the week before my surgery . . no red meat or other slow digesting foods. Supplementing your vitamin C intake to at least 1000 mg daily post op will really support your healing and lightweight compression (depending on your doc's orders) can add to your comfort; just not so tight that you have to fight with it . . the crotchless bands sound perfect. I also took probiotics post op to restore the good bacteria knocked out by the antibiotics, drank lots of fluids to flush out the anesthetic, and lots and lots of rest! We do most of our healing during periods of deep sleep, so essential.

  • rachelvk
    rachelvk Member Posts: 1,411
    edited October 2011

    My PS called with my CT scan results. Said the right side is perfect and they should be able to use the vessels without any trouble. The left side may be trickier - the vessel skims along the muscle at one point and they might have to take a tiny piece of muscle from that side. He said since the right muscle will remain untouched, the effect will be minimal. I've been concerned about any loss because of how active I am.

    However, he also cautioned that a lat flap with a bmx carries risks of loss of range of motion on both sides. I'm thinking I'd rather take the risk with the DIEP.

    Has anyone who's had a DIEP ended up having to have part of the muscle used on just one side? Any negative results? 

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited October 2011

    treesprite, I'll try to increase the vitamin C.  It seems like I take too many vitamins they come back up.  But I'll give it another go. Thanks NJ

  • jenn333
    jenn333 Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2011

    Hi all - I posted the other day asking for experiences with post-DIEP reexcision. No-one responded with their experiences so I guess it's not that common. In any event, for the benefit of anyone else who may find themselves in this position, it was no big deal at all. They got me in yesterday so it happened so quickly I really didn't have time to worry. The BS did have the PS scrub in as well to make sure there were no complications with the flap because the area to be excised was close to the blood supply artery for the flap. Basically they reopened the breast along the previous incision, the PS moved the flap out of the way, the BS did her thing, the flap was repositioned and allowed to settle back in and they stitched me back up. Surgery was about 1.5 hours with an hour or so in recovery (NO nausea this time - yay! At least I know for the stage II surgery that I won't have to worry about anesthesia - it's the pain meds that did me in the first time)
    and I was home by 5. Took a 2 hour nap and was ravenous for dinner.



    Treespite: In answer to your question about what they reexcised, the margin of the tumor was up against the pectoral muscle so they took a bit of muscle out. I was assured there would be no functional impairment of the muscle and I would't be aware of it. So far, so good!

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited October 2011

    mrsnjband: I use the powdered high potency C and sip it along with my water, sometimes mixed with a little juice to give a better taste. I have stomach issues, so I can't take a high dosage vitamin C; gives me an upset stomach. The good thing about C is you will pee out the extra, so you can't overdose like some vitamins. Gummy vitamin C works for me too . . . I take adult gummy vitamins so I can get them down, otherwise I'm burping up yucky vitamin taste. If you can't get them down, it is a big waste of money. I've tried time release C, but I prefer the powdered or gummy or a combination.

    The good thing is that your incision is healing, even if it is taking its own sweet time.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    jenn333 that was good to read that your adventure was manageable. It didn't sound like the sort of story we read a lot of here. Continued good recovery!

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited October 2011

    jenn333: I am glad that you had a great experience.You have some practice in for your stage 2.

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    jen333: so glad everything went so well for you.  I did not have experience to give.  It is great that you have posted for anyone else who has this experience.  I see ps on Monday.  Looking forward to hearing what she has to say.  I will be 6 weeks and 5 days.  Hopefully will get clearance to start rads on Tuesday.

  • likalaw50
    likalaw50 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2011

    Hi everyone, haven't posted for awhile but wanted to say that i had my unimx with immed. DIEP skin saving, nipple sparing procedure on Wed. the 28th of Sept.  I got to go home today from hospital and only had difficulties with meds so far but feeling much better... had headaches and nausea...but taking Morphine for night time and Oxycodone for the day and will see if I continue to feel ok.  It was a 12 hr. surgery with my PS doiing his tummy work first, then the BS doing her MX, then PS came in to do the reconstruction.  One day in ICU and the rest of time in reg. room with hourly checks of dopler/flap. i have had a lot of fluid retention, but that's going down.  Was able to get up and walk the 2nd day and could almost stand up!  Now it is much better, although still a lot of pulling and tension feeling in the abdomen.  Very weird feeling!  I got a hospital bed at home and it is prettty comfortable.  Will see how I sleep tonight.  Will update later!  Take care all!

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited October 2011

    likalaw50: I am so glad to hear of your great news. You are really blessed to be getting around so quickly. I think of how the bride of Frankenstein must have felt when my stomach has this pulling feeling.

  • Snobird
    Snobird Member Posts: 593
    edited October 2011

    Rachelvk it not a DIEP if they use any muscle. It's a Free Tram. It would not be acceptable to me to have that. I too am very active and had the DIEP 10 months ago. I would get a second opinion if you can.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    Rachel.. I agree with Nordy... Your doctor should be making a 100% guarantee that they will not convert to a TRAM flap... if you are active, it will permanently afffect you. My MO told me that patients who have a TRAM flap can't sit up on his table without rolling over... Not what I would want... too many capable doctors out there who can guarantee no TRAM... I wouldn't take the risk without getting a second opinion... Who are you seeing? I can't remember.

  • rachelvk
    rachelvk Member Posts: 1,411
    edited October 2011

    Well, this was opinion #3 and I don't want to take any more time. I'm already 2 months past dx with grade 3 and triple negative, but keep getting reassurance that it's okay not to rush. At this point, I've ruled out a lat flap because of the same reason, so my only options would be no immediate recon (which means I've just wasted a month) or TEs/implants. I'll meet with the PS early this week, but if he says the vessel is too close to the muscle, not sure any surgeon would be able to make a guarantee.

    Sigh. 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    I would see a second PS or have your scans sent to another surgeon for another opinion... I know you said NOLA would not work for you... what about Dr Chang in Baltimore?

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited October 2011

    Hey Betsy!  I was thinking about you today.  How are you doing?

    Susan

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    Hi Susan... Doing well... Went to my 30th HS reunion in CT this past weekend... had a great time... photos at www.ethelwalkercentennial.shutterfly.com ...Check it out!!! But had to nap like 3 times on my way home... so like every hour.... And back at work, now starting my second week... busy busy... How are you?

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited October 2011

    YAY!!!  You went back to work.  I am glad to know you are feeling well enough to work.  I am well.  Stage 2 is one month from tomorrow.  I am ready to be at the end of this journey and back to my normal life!  I am going to check out your pictures right now!

    Susan

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    Susan... my stage 2 is Nov 14... so about 5 weeks out... yikes!

  • mgm1953
    mgm1953 Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2011

    Hi Ladies,

     What a great resource this is, thanks to everyone for sharing their tips! You're helping with the anxiety. I've got my appt with the BS tomorrow, hope to get my surg appt for Mx & Diep right breast this month. I so want to get this all over with and move on! 

     xo

    m.

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