Is a recurrence always the same grade?

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I'm meeting with my MO next week and making a list of questions but am wondering if anybody here knows ... if there is a recurrence, is it always the same grade as the original?  I'm assuming it is ....

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    I've seen people post that there recurrence was a completely different type.  Like original was ER+ and recurrence was triple negative.  So my best guess to your question is "no". 

  • etherize
    etherize Member Posts: 423
    edited September 2011

    Thanks, Susan!

  • dillymonster
    dillymonster Member Posts: 24
    edited September 2011

    I was diagnosed with IDC in April. I had a lumpectomy, and and axillary dissection because they found cancer in 3 lymph nodes. I started chemo in April and had 6 round. I completed chemo august 25th. I was getting ready to start radiation last week and requested that my radiation oncologist order an MRI to make sure my margins were clear before we start radiation. She first ordered a baseline mammo after surgery, that came back clean. I then had an MRI a few days later and it showed an 8mm area of concern. She ordered an ultrasound guided biopsy. They were not able to see anything with ultrasound so they recommended an MRI guided biopsy. I received the result it showed DCIS (precancerous cells). This is a new site in the same breast. I have an appt with my onco next week to discuss a lumpectomy vs a mastectomy. I am very upset that I had 6 rounds of chemo to kill any precancerous cells that might be floating around, and 4 wks after chemo we find that somehow these cells managed to survive. so to answer your question, no. I cannot seem to be able to make sense of recurrence and type, but even my oncologist is not able to give me any straight answers because truly I don't even think they know the how, why, and when of cancer. Good luck to you.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2011

    You can have a recurrence that is not the same. You can can also have a totally new primary.

    Caryn

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited September 2011

    etherize, it's my very simplistic understanding that if cancer cells survive tx or for any reason start to grow again, they have the ability to adapt (mutate) to outsmart the chemo drugs that were already used on them.  So, yes, it's entirely possible for a new or recurrent bc to have a different grade and/or hormone profile.  

    There's a brand new study out of Europe (posted elsewhere on BCO) spotlighting the need to always do pathologies on new lesions, and not just assume they're the same as previous ones.  Let me know if you'd like me to find a link to it for you.

    So sorry you're dealing with this concern ~      Deanna 

  • nancyh
    nancyh Member Posts: 2,644
    edited October 2011

    Here's my understanding.  The vast majority of recurrent breast cancers have similar features to the original tumor, particularly the ER/PR and Her2 status.  Once in a while, the receptors change, so it is always wise to have a biopsy of a distant metastisis as it inform the treatment options (just as Deanna says above). 

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    It is not always the same grade. Sometimes ER+ will turn -, so it will need re bx.

  • buttercupwithab
    buttercupwithab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2011

    I just checked my two pathology reports done two years apart. The grade on mine did not change.  However, I went from ER/PR+ to PR- and the estrogen was nearly negative explaining why AI's no longer worked after two years.  In rarer cases, the HER2 can also change.  There is at least one woman on these boards that I know just had this happen - went from ER+, PR+, Her2- to only HER2 +.  The cancer is constantly morphing which is why chemos stop working.  It is my understanding that all these "values" can morph with it.

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