Trace Pleural Fluid

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I had rads over 2 years ago.  I met with my doctor yesterday to go over the results of my most recent MRI and he mentioned that there was trace pleural fluid in (around?) my right lung.  He said it was there when I had my MRI in 2010 too (and I checked -- he is right).  He thinks it is a result of radiation (I had rads on the right side), but now I am obsessing.  Has anyone else had this result after radiation?  I'm worrying that I'm actually suffering from congestive heart failure, though I work out a lot and haven't noticed any heart issues or excessive shortness of breath or anything like that.  Probably just paranoia caused by doing my own research online, but I'd feel better if other people have had trace pleural fluid from rads.  Thanks for any input!

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  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited October 2011

    When in doubt, check it out: that's my oncologist's motto for any finding persisting more than two to three weeks. I had post mastectomy radiation and am familiar with short and long term SE/adverse reactions.

    It sounds reasonable that you wonder about radiation heart effects like constriction from fibrosis or scarring of the sac surrounding the scar, though newer techniques have lessened left sided heart damage from radiation inclusion or scatter. You'd be fully justified asking your oncologist to refer you to the regional breast cancer center or one of the National Comprehensive Breast Centers since lung effusion is not typical.

    Can it be related to the radiation two years ago? I am not expert, so cannot answer this. Yet it strikes me that you're right that a diagnosis be made, so you can have peace of mind and an answer if possible.

    I wish you well as you proceed, and am glad you were informed of the small effusion at your recent visit. Good luck to you in your evaluation and beyond.

    Tender 

  • AlohaGirl
    AlohaGirl Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, Tender!  I appreciate your support and your thoughtful reply!  I really want this to be nothing, but won't rest easy until I know for certain.  I will pursue it further with my oncologist (and any other specialists, as needed).  Fingers crossed it turns out to be nothing significant!  (I was really hoping that it would turn out that lots of people have trace pleural fluid and it is no big deal, but I get the feeling that isn't the case.)  

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2011

    Hi AlohaGirl. I had fluid too on my MRI in July. My onc followed up with a chest x-ray, and the fluid didn't show on this. So it seems nothing to worry about.

    Hope its the same for you. 

  • justmejanis
    justmejanis Member Posts: 1,847
    edited October 2011

    I am forever confused about the side effects of radiation.  I began rads in August.  I was doing great, no fatigue, absolutely no problems.  About two weeks in I came home from a walk in the morning and began experiencing severe chest pain.  My BC is in the right breast and this was the side the pain was on.  It literally felt like someone was shoving a huge knife through my shoulder blade and through my breast.  My rad appointment was at 9:30 aqnd this happened at 8:00.  I did deep breaths, calmed myself but the pain was awful.  I was not thinking cardiac and told my DH I could wait and go to rads and surely a doctor there would see me.  When i got there the techs said there was no doctor in that day, but after mt treatment I needed to see the nurse.

    Saw her and long story short she insisted I go to the ER.  They did all the caridac things...EKG, chest x-ray, bloodwork.  Everything came back normal.  The doctor said they could not rule out a blood clot due to rads....so I went to have a CT scan.  It was clear, but revealed I had nodules on my thyroid (another story).  So...they released me with no diagnosis but sent me home with paperwork on both Costcochondritis and pleurisy. 

    That was a Wednesday, and I always see my RO on Thursday's.  Saw him and he said he had absolutely no idea what it could be, but insisted whatever it was, it was not related to rads.  I was not happy as I wanted answers...this had never happened before and it was scary.  Basically he blew it off and again said he had no clue what this was.

    Exactly ten days later, on a Saturday morning, it happened again.  The exact same stabbing pain, and it hurt to take deep breaths.  I did not go to the ER, saw no point.  Still I was on the couch all day, in severe pain despite pain meds.  It lasted all day as the previous attack had.

    So.....on Thursday my RO was on vacation and I saw a different one.  Told him about the second attack and he too said he really didn't know what it was.  He seemed very unconcerned and actually told me it should not happen again.  I told him it should not have happened twice.  I was not pleased.  Finally after he realized I was not going to drop it, he said that I had experienced "inflammation of the lining of the pleura" due to radiation!  Bingo.  Pleurisy. 

    So that is where I currently am.  It has been almost two weeks since my last event.  I can only hope it does not return, but fear that it will.  What really frustrates me is the attitude of these RO's.  I don't know why they cannot just admit that these lung problems are the result of radiation? 

    Aloha I hope you can get some resolution and don't have recurrances.  I have not had what you have....but it is very early for me.

    Best of luck to you........

  • AlohaGirl
    AlohaGirl Member Posts: 213
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, KT and Janis!  I guess my fluid has been there at least a year but I asked a friend who is a diagnositic radiologist and he indicated that MRIs are so sensitive that they pick up even tiny amounts of fluid and it probably isn't anything to worry about.  I'm still going to pursue further though (or at least see if he can look at the MRI and see if it is something HE would worry about). 

    Janis, that pain sounds terrible and I'm sorry that your doctor was so unconcerned about determining the source of your pain!  At least now you know what it is.  Hopefully the pain won't come back, and hopefully the inflamation will subside quickly post-radiation (sounds like you are probably almost done?).  Hang in there!  It definitely sounds like the fluid I am experiencing could be related to rads (though I never had any pains like you describe, thank goodness, I suppose I could have had a very mild case).

    I'll keep investigating and see what I can find out.  I remember back before my DCIS diagnosis when I just trusted my body to be healthy.  Ah, the good old days.  :-) 

  • justmejanis
    justmejanis Member Posts: 1,847
    edited October 2011

    Aloha...I find that breast cancer is indeed a journey, and a complex one at that.  I find there are no norms for this disease.  I am pretty stoic about pain, it takes a lot to alarm me.  That first episode sure did.  The second I wasn't scared, but so upset it happened on a weekend when I am free of treatments.  My DH and I made a sort of pact...BC is not allowed in this house on weekends.  We don't talk about it or worry about it at all.  So...for that to happen on a Saturday morning (two weeks ago today) felt unfair!  I have not had one since, hurray.  I have read on this board in other threads several women have experienced the mysterious chest/rib pains.  Some had pleurisy.  At least I am not alone.   Now I am going through the burning/peeling phase.  Yes, almost done, just three more boosts!  Wearing a bra is all but impossible it is so painful.  Soon this will all be behind me!

    I am glad at least that the radiologist in your case isn't concerned.  That has to make you feel a bit better at least.  I am glad the amount of fluid is not a threat, but I understand your desire for anwers only too well!  I hope you can find out more.  Good luck, and hugs!

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