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  • lilylady
    lilylady Member Posts: 1,079
    edited September 2011

    My BS said by draining more frequently we are not letting the skin get stretched out. She is adamant about not starting Rads until my skin has grown to the chest-at the rate I am going that could be next year!! I am going ahead with my CTsim next tuesday. She said if the skin is free floating I will be way more likely to damage it during the Rads. RO sayd he thinks it will be fine. I have been deferring to her but i am anxious to get started and moving towards being done. I also cannot get properly fitted with foobs til I get this done either. I have a class reunion the end of October. I would like to look somewhat normal. I don;t mind the flat chest in my everyday stuff but my drees clothes need a little something.

       I really wonder if I was doing too much physical activity. She probably has no idea I was cutting grass byt Day 5, driving, walking the dog, ect. My drain amopunts were right around 30 when I had her pull them. I could not take 1 more day of it. The fluid was also pale tan. The stuff she is pulling out with the syringe looks more bloody to me. I am starting to get a little freaked but I DO trust her. I see my onc tomorrow and will quiz him about it.

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    I had the fluid aspirated from my seroma today. I lost count of the number of syringes. I have no idea how much fluid she removed. Her instructions - "wear the binder" and "keep that left arm still". I went back to work part-time today. After 2 1/2 hours I was asking if it was time to go home yet and all I was doing was updating my caseload on the computer. I came home after 4 hours and took a nap. I'm doing 4 hours a day this week and will go back to full time next week.

    Lilylady - If you need temporary foobs, try sea shore forms. You can find them on line. They're about $40 each. They're actually swim forms. They are foam with some kind of beads in them that give them a little bit of weight. Also get a Coobie bra. It's a soft 1 size fits most pull over bra that has pockets that hold the sea shore forms perfectly. It's not a mastectomy bra. The pockets are for modesty shields that come with the bra. You can order them from ebay (usually no shipping), Amazon or the Coobie web site. They're about $20. I wore mine today for the first time. It was the first time I had breasts in 3 1/2 weeks. I felt like I was playing dress up. I think I much prefer the flat look. 

    I'm wearing more upper body garments then I've ever worn in my life. A soft undershirt, the binder, the bra and foobs. I asked my friends at work to give me a sign if the foobs were heading towards my chin. No need to worry. They stayed put.

  • lilylady
    lilylady Member Posts: 1,079
    edited September 2011

    Thanks for the referrall Hauntie. I don't want to use up my insurance for "interim" stuff. I will get on line tomorrow and order them. The whole sizing thing is a mystery. I was not big breasted before and don;t intend ot go any larger than I was.

       I am OK with my flat look-can't say I am happy. I will hardly ever wear the foobs but I do want to have some options for special occaisions though.

  • shippy41
    shippy41 Member Posts: 49
    edited September 2011

    Hi I went to see my PS and he said he thinks me kayaking sheared something. i didnt have radiation so dont think its LE. It is also located in the chest above and below the incision. He said not to use that arm for 1-2 weeks.

    thanks for your advice as always insightful and caring

  • kmpod
    kmpod Member Posts: 234
    edited September 2011

    Arghh! I went up to have my seroma aspirated again today and the drainage was up to 90ml! It was 26ml last week. This is the highest it's been for a month. I really didn't do anything different so I don't know why this should be happening. Any guesses?

    Anyway, what we agreed to, since my left PBx is so close (now Oct 7), is to reinsert a drain on the right side while I'm out during that surgery. It means I'll go home this time with 2 drains, dammit. Excuse me while I go out to grumble on the porch with a cup of tea in hand.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    Kathy, drains are a pain, but they are your friend! According to my plastic surgeon, some folks are just "juicier" than others. :-) Hang in there!




    Shippy, what does your PS mean when he said you "sheared" something? A tear or pull? Glad he doesn't think it's LE, but I would definitely keep an eye on it if the swelling doesn't go down. Oh, and about getting LE? You do not need to have radiation to get it. In fact, you don't even have to have any nodes taken to get it. I had one sentinel node taken on my "bad" LE side and no nodes taken on my "good" LE side (as if there's anything such as "good" LE!). No radiation or chemo. There are several women on the LE forum that developed LE without any nodes taken or radiation. Not questioning your PS, but just know that most doctors and surgeons know very little about LE since they only receive 15 min - 2 hrs education on the lymphatic system in medical school. I certainly hope you don't have LE, though. Just urging you to be attentive. :-) I am glad you have felt well since your decon and were up for kayaking! So good to hear.

    Hugs, Tina

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    Anytime you muck around a lymphatic system you can get LE. I didn't have rads and got it!

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    Help! I'm going out of my mind. Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with the nerve irritation after my PMX a month ago? The itch I can't scratch is driving me crazy. Then there's the pins and needles and the sunburn sensation. For some reason, it's always worse at night. I slather on benedryl cream, which helps some, but not enough.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    Hauntie

    I found that very gentle massage helped with the pins and needles. Oh I remember that well, and also the sensation of my tissues trying to glue/stick themselves back in place.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited September 2011

    Hi Hauntie,

    One thing that worked for me was wearing some old silk tee shirts (they were WinterSilks). This was a suggestion from my physical therapist. She said satin or silk glides over the skin and would help alleviate the ultra-sensitivity that I was experiencing. It did. I'm not sure it will do anything for the itch you describe, but might help the other sensations if you have access to any such garments.

    My PT also recommended gentle massage (as crazydaisy already suggested)--so gentle that it's not really massage, more gliding your fingers gently over the sensitive areas, with minimal pressure.

    It sounds as if your nerves are regenerating. Hopefully, the sensitivity will die down before very long. I remember thinking it would never end, but in my case it only lasted about three weeks.

    Barbara 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    Hauntie, that is the WORST thing about the whole deal, I think!! I hated the ITCH, but you're the only one that seems to be bothered about it as much as I was. I did the massage thing. Once I realized it was a good thing - the nerves regenerating - I tried to deal with it psychologically. (Didn't work, FYI) heheheheheh

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited September 2011

    My PT had me massage my chest, pressing just hard enough to move the tissue in a circular crosswise motion over the scar. I think this was to prevent adhesions as well as to gently toughen up the skin. I also used Eucerin Calming Creme, which really helped. It gets better—really!

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2011

    I am newly diagnosed with DCIS and will have a simple unilateral mastectomy.  I am wondering if anyone has experienced back problems with the physical imbalance of one breast?  Also, do prosthetics address this?  Would reconstruction address this problem?

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! 

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2011

    Hi, CLC - I just responded to your post on the running thread, then saw this at the top of the list (no, I'm not stalking you!) and thought I'd add a little.

    I had a left mast, no reconstruction.  As I wrote on the other thread, I have not noticed the imbalance in front affecting my back.  (I wear a prosthesis most of the time, unless I'm running or just lounging around the house.)

    HOWEVER, I did develop pain in my shoulder at one point, and the physical therapist mentioned that she sees a lot of shoulder issues in women who've had mastectomies.  She attributed it to posture - we tend to hunch over and draw our shoulders forward - rather than to the physical imbalance per se.  Plus, in my case, I think that always carrying heavy stuff on my non-surgery side aggravated things.  I did a course of physical therapy to address the acute issue, and since then I've tried to be more conscious of my posture and do some basic maintenance exercises -- and I've been fine.

    L

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2011

    I'm not stalking you either!!!  I just hopped over here and saw this from you after my last post to you on the running thread.  I will add a little here, too.   The imbalance issue may be real for me, as I have a D cup.  I will see a plastic surgeon next week and see if he has anything to offer on this issue.  Perhaps I will also talk to a physical therapist BEFORE surgery for input, too.

    Also, I just have to tell you again that you have really made me feel a little better.  I am so glad to know that I will likely be moving again pretty quickly.   I had fears that it might be months and months.  It doesn't seem as scary now.  Thank you!

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    My BS mentioned reconstruction to me when I saw her this week. Not for apearance or vanity, but because of the physical changes that can take place when you don't have breasts. Lewing, she said the same thing your PT said - that we hunch and draw our shoulders forward. She said this can cause changes to our rib cage and the space our lungs have to expand??? I didn't think to ask her, if wearing weighted prostheses helps with these issues.

    Re - my nerve issues. I've been dealing with these sensations since my original MX almost 17 years ago, but they come and go and are usually brief episodes. This has been weeks of constant discomfort. All of my usual remedies, which have all been mentioned here, haven't really helped. On the plus side, the area that's affected is getting smaller. This kind of nerve irritation is not something I even considered when I made the decision to have a PMX. So far, it's the only down side of the surgery. Hopefully it continues to get better and clears up - before I completly go out of my mind.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited September 2011

    Hauntie,

    I hate to contradict a breast surgeon, but while perhaps those changes can happen if you do hunch over and draw your shoulders forward, there's no reason why that's inevitable (edited to add that in re-reading your post, I see that your BS said these changes CAN happen, so she's also not saying they're inevitable). In fact, my posture has improved since my bilateral mastectomy without reconstruction. I was always someone who hunched over. When I went for PT after surgery, my wonderful physical therapist worked with me to learn to stretch and pull my shoulders back and down. She encouraged me to stand up straight confidently. As a result, my posture is now much better than it was before my mastectomy.

    Many breast surgeons have bought into the notion that women won't be happy or feel whole without reconstruction. Apparently, some also believe that not having reconstruction can have a negative physical effect. From what I've read, reconstruction is more likely than non-reconstruction to have a negative impact. Implant reconstruction, requiring stretching of pectoral muscles and insertion of heavy implants, is far more likely to cause shoulder and neck issues (though certainly not always). And invasive tissue reconstruction procedures carry the risks of complications and long-term effects, too.

    Also edited to add that while wearing a weighted prosthesis can help prevent balance issues after a unilateral mastectomy, it's unnecessary to wear any prosthesis at all (unless you want to) after a bilateral, since you are naturally balanced. 

    Barbara

  • nwest125
    nwest125 Member Posts: 240
    edited September 2011

    I decided not to have reconstruction for my own personal reasons and my original BS didn't have a problem with it but I have now switched BS because of my insurance and she was ok but she was really pushing for reconstruction and I really didn't like that about her. Its not for all people and I am very glad I didn't do it from what I have been reading alot of women have a lot of problems which I don't want to deal with . I am happy with my decision.

    Nancy

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    I am another one who is MUCH BETTER without my heavy breasts!! My arthritis was so bad in my neck that I was getting spurs into the back of my throat and making me choke!! I stand proud and tall now, where BEFORE I used to hunch to hide the 42Ds!!

    I have NO desire to get reon and really feel sad for the ladies that go bigger. They have NO idea how hard it is to carry heavy breasts around. And if they haven't built up to that point slowly (like growing up and getting breasts), they are going to have problems.

    PS's are BSers. No one NEEDS breasts.

  • Rowan47
    Rowan47 Member Posts: 151
    edited September 2011

    I am so with you!! My BS (lovely Dutch lady) also pushed for me to reconstruct. Don't think she believed me that I was HAPPY to be flat. She gave me name of PS, but I never bothered making appt. I must have convinced her though, because she told me she took extra time during surgery to ensure no "dogears" (hate that term!) were left under my arms.  However, she then told me I would probably want to get fitted for foobs a.s.a.p. so that I could go out in public with confidence..I feel bloody confident flat!!! It is just not a big deal, is it?? I have better things to think about and am still feeling GREAT....I am sure some of my friends are waiting for me to break down and cry over the loss (?). I have recently started jogging every morning, and what a relief to have no bouncing boobs to slow me down!!

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited September 2011

    Rowan47,

    I had my surgery almost five years ago and I never really felt like crying about the loss of my breasts. Even I was a bit surprised that I wasn't grieving, yet I've never felt that way in all these years. I do feel grateful that my cancer was caught early (both times!) and after surgery, I felt peace of mind that by having the bilateral mastectomy I had done everything possible to prevent a recurrence.

    It's great to read your upbeat, confident post.

    Barbara

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited September 2011

    My posture has also improved since my BMX. I was small, 32B so it wasn't the weight. Maybe I was hunched over trying to hide headlights. The running thing-having my breasts squished against my chest with an athletic bra is not something I miss. The swimming thing-competive style swimsuits are much more comfortable without breasts when I swim laps or do master workouts. I'm thin & wasn't prepared for the appearance of my ribs though. Very prominent, could play them like guitar strings. Either this area is filling in or I'm getting use to it.

    On occasion when I wanted to throw myself a pity party, I'd look down where my breasts once were. Instantly realize, it doesn't look bad or bother me. So I have to look for something else. Usually the ongoing frustration with being a BC patient works Yell

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2011

    I really don't want a reconstruction.  I am doubtful that it would help the imbalance of a unilateral mastectomy to any extent to make it worthwhile for me.  And all of your thoughtful responses have shored up my thinking on this and maybe strengthened my confidence to stick to my gut on this.  Thank you all.

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    I'm getting a bit discouraged here. I've been wearing the damn binder at least 22-23 hours a day and today I noticed some fluid build up. My prosthesis fitter noticed it also. I thought I had this licked and the skin had adhered to the chest wall. I had a near melt down this afternoon - ready to kick, scream and just throw a temper tantrum. Thank God for xanax and a nap. Things always look better after both Wink My BS keeps telling me I have to keep my left arm still. Easier said than done. It doesn't hurt, so it takes a real conscious effort not to move it. She tells me to keep my left hand in my pocket, yeah right. I think the only way I'm going to keep this arm from moving is to strap it down.

    On the plus side, this has probably been my best day so far re nerve irritation.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    Hauntie, glad your nerves are settling down. You should be able to move your arm! Just not lift any weight over 5 pounds. Leaving it perfectly still could cause muscle atrophy over time. Doesn't make sense to me. You have to 'live' like you're going to over the next years. If you don't move your arm now, what's going to happen when you start moving!

    Has your BS considered LE?????? That's what I ended up with - truncal LE. It's like I have a little boobie sometimes. You should see a PT and get lymph drainage. Won't hurt either way!

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    Barbe - She just wants me to keep it still until we can get the skin to adhere to the chest wall. I have full range of motion in my arm. I didn't have any node dissection. I don't think it's LE, but I'll check with her. I think it's because the skin hasn't adhered yet, so there's a space that fills with fluid. It's right under the incision. I know others have had this problem and have had to have multiple aspirations. Today my nerve irritation feels like a very itchy nipple - a much smaller area than before, but still driving me crazy. Of course, it really started up since my last post saying this had been my best day yet. Go figure.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited September 2011

    Is this binder idea a new approach after mastectomy? I had my surgery five years ago at Beth Israel, a Harvard teaching hospital in Boston, and my excellent surgeon was head of the Breast Care Center there. I never had a binder, only gauze bandages the first day. By the time I went home the next morning, I had ony steri-strips (and drains, of course). The drains were meant to take care of the fluid and there didn't seem to be any concern that the skin had to adhere to the chest. After my drains were removed, a small amount of fluid accumulated on each side but it never caused any discomfort and it reabsorbed on its own without any aspirations being necessary. Has something changed in recent years about the best way to handle post-mastectomy care? I have a friend who recently had a single mastectomy in Maine and she, too, had to wear a binder after surgery.

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Member Posts: 1,577
    edited September 2011

    CLC - I'm a D/DD cup, I had MX of left breast only, I'd heard and read that you needed to have a weighted prosthesis or recon or you would develop balance issues, so that's what I got.  I found that it was too heavy, it caused more shoulder issues.  Two CLT's told me that wearing the weighted prosthesis can actually make LE worse, they recommended lighter weight prosthesis, this helped some, but the 2nd CLT said that most of her patients actually get the feather weight swimming prosthesis, if they wear one and it doesn't cause any balance problems and they have less LE issues, so next time I qualify for a new prosthesis I'm going for the lightest weight one.  Also, I hardly every wear a bra around the house and have no balance issues, it's actually much more comfortable.

    Erica - My BS had me wear a binder for about 5 weeks, basically 24/7, he said that the MX heals faster (not sure why) and you have less fluid build up, not sure it was true for me, but that's his thinking, he  now allows you stop wearing the binder if you wear a compression bra. He also doesn't let you raise arm above shoulder level for 6 weeks, you should be moving it, but that's all.

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited September 2011

    There seems to be 2 schools of thoughts re binders - some surgeons use them, some don't. The same surgeon that did my PMX did my MX nearly 17 years ago. I wore a binder then, as well. Actually, it was an elastic vest that zipped up the front. She even had me wrapped in an ace wrap after the biopsy, before my mastectomy. It would be nice if someone did a study on this, so we'd know whether the weeks of discomfort of wearing a binder really made any difference in healing.

  • Denise2730
    Denise2730 Member Posts: 648
    edited September 2011

    No binder for me either. When I go to the PS's office I'm never wearing a bra either and he hasn't said anything. I'm sooo enjoying that part (although I'm having reconstruction so I'm probaby on the wrong thread).

    Just curious about the nerve thing. My chest area including my foobs have no feeling, however the slightest touch from a shirt seam or a ribbon from my nightgown touching my chest feels horrible. Is this from the nerves regenerating?

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