How many of you had BC and now face hysterectomy?

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NaughtybyNature
NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448

Since I had BC almost eight years ago, every year if it is not one thing... it's something else. 

My 2011 check up of my boobs has not yet taken place, BUT I already know I need an hysterectomy.  So, sometime towards the end of August I am going in for a robotic hysterectomy.  Due to my age 44 (I guess), my Gyno is leaving my ovaries, therefore not putting me yet in menopause.

Anyone else here that has had a similar situation as mine?  Any side effects?  Do you think that, even thou you have not proof, your BC is linked to your hysterectomy?

Have not yet researched this new chapter of my life fully but would appreciate any information/advice you may give.  Thanks,

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  • SarahsMom
    SarahsMom Member Posts: 1,779
    edited July 2011

    HI - I haven't had BC, however, I have had 5 years of breast problems and a ductal excision.  Last year, I had an emergency hysterectomy because out of nowhere, I'd developed two large uteran fibroids and I was bleeding severely. The options were to be on provera (massive amount of estrogen) 10 days a month with no bleeding, then bleed 20 days; try ablation, which sometimes doesn't work; or just pull everything out since I was 44 and done with these now optional parts that could also cause me cancer.  I had the hyster and also left the ovaries, didn't want to take menopause hormones that could feed my breast issues.I've also started having ovarian cysts in the last few years. After never having "girl problems", this all started along with my breast issues. Hmm. 

     After the hyster, I felt so much better!! I used to have occasional migraines with my periods, they went away.  I had a breast cyst that also popped up out of nowhere during this event and it disappeared.  Also the lack of the monthly "event" is so wonderful!  Not worrying about cervical or uteran cancer is also awesome. However, I have ovarian CA in my family (my grandma died from it) so I rolled the dice. 

     I hope your surgery and recovery both go well!  

  • moonchild64
    moonchild64 Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2011

    Hi Naughty -

    I had a robotic (DaVinci) hysterectomy on June 29th and it went very well.  The three scars on my stomach are barely visible.  The recovery time as far as being on bed rest was a total of five days.  I started going on short walks by the end of week one and am now going about 'normal' activity (except full-time job - off another two weeks) including housework, groceries, etc.  I am still quite tired and take frequent rest breaks/naps as I am dealing with night sweats from having my ovaries removed.  My oncologist recommended a total hysterectomy including ovaries as I was already close to menopause from chemo, Tamox, age and she felt that given my history of cancer and that it is the ovaries that are mostly producing the estrogen that fueled my bc, it was the best move for me.  

    May I ask why your doctor is recommending hysterectomy?  I had mine because I was experiencing pain from an enlarged uterus, endo thickening, cysts, fibroids, and cell changes due to Tamoxifen and wanted to be proactive and feel better...  I feel SO much better..

     Having the hysterectomy was definitely the best decision for me.  I have no worry for endometrial, uterine or ovarian cancer and no more Tamoxifen.  My uterus was 2 1/2 times size normal and was only going to get worse as I was going to need to stay on the hormonal treatment for another two plus years.  I realize it is major surgery and not for everyone, but I simply could not continue living a life of discomfort/pain, ultrasounds and biopsies and ... the waiting and worrying.

    After my breast cancer diagnosis which caught me totally off guard and threw my world in a tailspin for 3 years, I feel empowered that I was able to be proactive and take control.  I am going to research menopause management and am going to discuss with my oncologist the 'natural' route for estrogen reduction.

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited July 2011

    I just had a total hysterectomy five days ago.  I prepared myself for instant menopause by getting Lupron shots and Arimidex.  I had a BMX in January, so technically, all my woman parts are gone.  I am up and about since day two, but I am forcing myself to stay indoors since I can overdo it.  I feel sore and bloated, but so glad this surgery is behind me. I am BRCA1+, so my odds of getting ovarian cancer was over 80%.  I don't know if I am going to continue with Arimidex. - hot flashes are pretty bad on this drug and my joints hurt.  When I stopped it, hot flashes are minimal and joints don't hurt.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Naughty .. I had a hysterectomy before I got breast cancer.  They left my ovaries in as well.  Your ovaries will still function with estrogen so you shouldn't go into immediate menopause.  However, years later my ovaries got twisted up resulting in an 8 cm tortion cyst, so I then had to have the ovaries removed.

    Can't help you with the robotic method, as my hysterectomy was vaginal.  The recovery time was about 6 weeks.  No vacuuming, pushing or pulling during that time.  Although I felt fine after the first few days.

    Wishing you all the best,

    Bren

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2011

    Thank you so much, carpediem1965, moonchild64, slinky, BinVA for your posts, and all that sent me private messages regarding this new "problem".

    As for the reason I am having a hysterectomy... I opted for that; last year I had a TVT surgery; while on vacation about a week ago I discovered that "down under" did not feel and look "normal".  I went to the Drs. asa I came back from vacation with what I thought was a vaginal prolapse (got to love Google!). 

    After further examination and making sure that it was not my bladder, my Dr. told me that I had an uterus prolapse.  I asked the reason... no reason, "bad luck!"  As recommendations, he could do a "band-aid" type of surgery (a ring) or a hysterectomy.  Since I will be 45 in Nov. and not having any more kids, hysterectomy it is.  They will keep my ovaries so they don't put me into immediate menopause... which I already had gone through with my chemo treatments, well known as chemopause... and that was simply awful.  My day before my period headache along with the "big flow" during a couple of hours, should also go away... wait... I will no longer have a period!! 

    The nurse called me today to schedule the surgery.  I think she is looking into September/October... lucky me!  I am going to have the Da Vinci robotic surgery, wherein my cervix and uterus are going to be removed and tested.  I am curious to see if there are other problems, since about 20 years ago I had a cervix lazer surgery to get ride of pre-cancer cells.  She also mentioned that this time they will do a bladder lift.  I will have to stay at the hospital over night and than no weights or any "fooling around" for six weeks.  I guess my external site/school will have to go on without me for a week or so!

    I guess the first thing I will have will be the pelvic ultrasound coming up on the 11th.

    Again girls, thanks so much for the inside info and well wishes.  I am pretty sure I will be just fine... than again, do I have a choice? Wink

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited August 2011

    Naughty, wishing you an easy surgery!

    I am six days out and the bloating and pressure is subsiding.  I noticed after I eat or drink, things feel like they are causing pressure and gas pains.  Incisions are very small, but still some discomfort when clothing brushes against them. Most of the work was done through my belly button, so that area is still sore and swollen.  No "fooling around" for at least six weeks, since there are incisions on the inside.  Hot flashes are no worse than they were when I had the Lupron shots.  I decided to take Arimidex - I took out all my goods, so a couple of additional hot flashes are far better than having cancer again!

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2011

    Oh slinky... I hope you feel better soon... I guess I will keep your rate of getting better in mind as I am having the same surgery!  I don't think I will take anything Tamox or Arimidex... the surgeon last year with my ATDH wanted to put me on Tamox... I said no... I already take a hand full of pills... don't need any more!  And sometimes I wonder if all the pills I take, since I was about 25 have anything to do with anything... than again those pre-cancer cell on my cervix were pre-pills! 

    I wonder what will happen to my weight.  In the last four years I have put on 25 pounds, very annoying ones as they are all BBB!  (Belly, boobs and butt).   I am so begging my Dr. to also give me a tummy tuck but no luck so far Frown.

    Keep me posted about how you are doing.  Thanks and gentle hugs.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    I had robotic hysterectomy and oopherectomy.   Was a piece of cake.   I never even considered not getting my ovaries out.   Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.....

    Anyways, you are going to be fine :-)   I was all nervous and when it was over, I was like, "that's it?"

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited August 2011

    Naughty, I have been chemically menopausal for almost seven months now, and I am at my normal weight (a bit under due to weight loss).  I lost five pounds since January, but it is all stress related.  My diet has changed a little - I cut out processed meats, but eat and drink the same things as before cancer.  I did work out for 1 1/2 hours daily prior to bc, but now I am a slug.  So I lost weight, but I also lost muscle tone.  Once I recover from the next surgery, I will be hitting the gym - Hard!!

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2011

    robo47... thanks for the info.  About chemo induced menopause, one of the worst things I heard was from a nurse at the oncologist office: "... Yah... you are sterile!!!"... because my hormones went all wacky on me... I had chemo from October until 12/26/2003... my period disappeared in January and came back out of no where, after I fell sick to bed, in April... and when the same oncologist testes me again, he said my hormones were all over the place, but I was fertile again... "Watch out... you go on the rain you will get wet!"  (Than again I was never easy to get pregnant :O(

    On a different note... so sorry you had to join "this club".  Hope all goes well and easy for you.  You are in my thoughts.

    Fearless_One: I am wondering about the ovaries too, because of what I read here... problems later but also menopause... hum... really things that make me go hum... and definitely re-ask the doctor which way should I go.  Again, I refuse to take  or anything else... I am triple negative, which off course I have heard is good, but bad... whatever that means.

    slinky: I guess taking life a little bit easier for the past 4 years added to my weight gain... and believe me... I do exercise a lot... all mentally off course... LOL, I tried... but have no motivation even thou BP and body wise, I know I would most definitely benefit. It is on my list of things to do.. when, I don't know.

  • shannonW
    shannonW Member Posts: 186
    edited August 2011

    Naughty~ I have a prolapsed uterus, fibroids, and enlarged uterus as well and am scheduled 9/13/2011 for hysterectomy(keeping ovaries altho my gynnie wanted to take them, but after research and thinking long and hard decided to keep them and monitor). I totally get that "not right down there feeling". I jokingly call mine "the turtle"! Mine started with my 2nd pregnancy at 32. Was fine afterwards(no issues at all) until this past December 2010 at 41 years old. Decided to go and have it out and surgery was scheduled for March 2011 and then got the BC diagnosis in February 2011. Hyster moved to back burner obviously. So...since I still needed my last nipple creation surgery for my foobs I asked if they could do them both at the same time which they agreed. Two for one anesthesia!!! Funny(or maybe not so) is now that I have a date I'm really sad for losing my uterus. I'm done with kids, but it's the..."been thru a lot this year, one more surgery, and just the fact that it's SOOO permanent" kind of thing. Funny, losing my boobs was no big deal compared to how I feel about my uterus! On the flip side in researching(the net and hospital library at the hospital where I work) I came across a lot of interesting info. The main one for me was there seems to be a decrease in ovarian cancer with hysterectomy(of course keeping ovaries). That made me feel good as I know that is what my gynnie is worried about. I'm not BRCA positive tho so felt that altho my ovarian cancer risk is higher with having had BC, it's still not a blaring risk.I was not ready to go into menopause and had I not had the prolapse they wouldn't be discussing taking anything out. I've heard of the ovaries shutting down with surgery, but that it's rare. All in all I keep telling myself it'll all b fine and "no periods" is the silver lining. Of course as my friend reminded me...you have 2 daughters you will still be buying feminine hygiene products for a LONG time! I also saw a PT for pelvic floor exercises initially(back in January while I was still deciding as to wether to have hyster or not) which I'm doing to prepare b/c my gynnie says it will only help to strengthen that area wether I opted for surgery or not.

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2011
    shannonW... you have such a great post... but I am so tired today... don't know what is wrong... yesterday and today I was absolutely drained (and Vampire Diaries has not started yet!?!).  ASAP I will post my comments.  Thanks for your post, very educational.  Hugs,
  • shayes37
    shayes37 Member Posts: 33
    edited August 2011

    Hi robo47



    I'm new to this site and forum. I can't tell you how interesting I found your 8/1 post. I totally think they are related.q



    I was on medroxyprogesterone for about 3 years for a polyp. No history of bc in family and genetic testing negative. Was diagnosed 1/5 of this year. Just finished chemo and will be starting radiation in 2 weeks.



    After diagnosis I looked upvthe side effects from this drug . . . Almost passed out! Every other word was bc!



    So yes I totallyvbelieve they are related!



    Sue

  • shayes37
    shayes37 Member Posts: 33
    edited August 2011

    Hi Fearless One



    How long was your recovery time for the robotic hysterectomy? And what is the other procedure that you had?



    I am looking at a hysterectomy in the near future b/c when I had my lumpectomy in january ob removed my polyp also . . . Said that I had some a-typical cells.



    Thanks for your input.



    Sue

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited August 2011

    Hi everyone... so sorry to be late in relaying any information and/or just talking... tomorrow I have my annual boobs' exam... I made sure I tracked down the same radiologist that sent me to have the two biopsies done last year....  I know she is a doctor I want on my side.

    My DaVinci surgery is scheduled for 9/26, over-night stay at the hospital and I am taking a week off from school.  Six weeks without any heavy exercising and/or lifting things....

    shayes37: the recovery time is usually six weeks; but one body might take six weeks and another more or less... I think surgery is all individual... I am for sure taking it easy... just a little uneasy about being tossed into menopause even thou I am keeping my ovaries due to my age, 44.  I guess we shall see what happens tomorrow and next month.

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited August 2011

    hi all:  I had bc 2x, and I still was nowhere near menopause at 53.  Yikes.

    I opted after reading up on it, to get the whole uterus/ovaries out.  They had me on Lupron to keep me in a negative state, so that I could take arimidex!  After reading up on Lupron, I opted to get it all out.

    I understand the qualms and the feeling of worry over being "sterile"...my god, what an idiot nurse to say that.  (Would anyone have said that to Liz Taylor?  Last time she was still here she was quite a sex symbol and an earth mother after adopting kids...under your heart or in it, it doesn't matter where they grow.  She had complete hysterectomy/oopharectomy.)

    My thinking was that my bc was ER++...my little cancer bombs were trying to knock me off.  The uterus I saw as a holiday Inn my daughter stayed in for 9 months.  That's it.  So bye bye to all of that and I've never looked back.

    I do have some issues with dryness, but there are many great products to help with that.  A thoughtful and sensitive partner will take any time you need post surgery.  It's all OK.

    Surgery was so easy.  Only took a few tylenol.  what was incredibly boring was recovery; a long time to bounce back, your body lets you know but it's do able.

    You will be just fine!  Also: no fear of the surgical menopause.  I had none.  It was fine, a few  hot flashes and warm ups, then they just went away. 

    xo

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2011
    After my BMX, my oncologist and surgeon recommended I get my ovaries out. The original surgery had to be cancelled cuz of clerical error. I saw my surgeon this week to discuss it again and 9 month chest check up. At the appt. she brought up a total hysterectomy. I was taken off guard with the possibility of a new plan and a bit scared. I asked her the negatives and positives.She explained what all they take out and asked, what exactly the uterus is for.. babies.Well, that makes it a useless organ for me! She said it will shrivel up anyway. After talking about to two friends and my partner, I decieded to go ahead and take it all out.MY mastectomy choice was much easier. I knew right away. I have already started hot flashes naturally, so I figure get it over with..ha ha.. bring on the menopause, I am gonna be in it some day anyway. And At least I know that I wont have to worry about endometrial cancers down the line. Not that I think I will get it, but one less organ to think about.So if something should happen down the line cancer or otherwise, its all out and I dont have to go through another surgery..Bummer is I heal slower than normal, so it could be another winter without ice fishing. Frown Last winter (and still yet) dealing with the BMX and now the nerve damage and scar tissue...But hopefully, knock on wood, this will be it...but you know how that goes...
  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited August 2011

    oops: sorry, forgot to answer your main question;

    No, of course I do not feel my bc is related to my hysterectomy.  Altho I do feel that I have saved my own life by taking out my ovaries.

    In fact, that is what the oncologist at Sloan Kettering said.  That doing the ooph/hyst may prolong my life and keep any cancer cells thinking about activating.

    Good luck, don't worry, it'll be fine and you'll be freed of the worry of uterine cancer.  Menopause is a natural occurrence, all you are doing is stepping it up for a few years.  Many women are already in it at 44.

  • tamtam
    tamtam Member Posts: 70
    edited August 2011

    Hi

    I have also had a Vaginal Hysterectomy almost two years ago but  kept my ovaries. I had my tubes tied when I was thirty so I thought there was no reason to take them out. I had a VH only because I had a double cervix and a Uterus with a wall down the middle another reason I had my tubes tied. Everything went as planned and recovered fully. I had cysts before I had my hysterectomy two years ago but now some things have changed in my breasts and now there are a bunch of complex cysts but I am not sure if that has anything to do with the hysterectomy. I am still going through tests another one in two days to find out more info of what my breasts are up to. I don't regret ever getting a Hysterectomy because I no longer have my periods which were a nightmare to deal with (extreme heavy bleeding monthly) enough that I would become anemic and had to take pills to bring the Iron levels back up, so I don't miss that at all. I still get all the monthly symptoms of a period though eg. bloating, migraines,cravings,moody and very tender breasts and as far as I know I'm not in my menopause yet and I am 45 years old.  Although I can say I never thought about my ovaries ever giving me problems and the surgeon said they looked fine.  

    P.S. I did put in an order to the doctor about a tummy tuck when they were doing the hysterectomy but when I awoke from surgery I found I had just as much skin as before LOL. 

    I took the six weeks to recover before going back to work and tried to take it easy until then and did do allot of cat naps as needed LOL. Within the first week I was feeling much better but still didn't want to push it just in case LOL  Two years later and everything in that respect is just fine with no side effects.  

    Good luck and take the time you need, your body will let you know when your ready Smile

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited August 2011

    I had to have a total hysterectomy due to my BC and my BRCA1+ status.  Two weeks after my hysterectomy I had severe hemmoraging.  I started a post in the "surgery before, during and after" thread.  I was not doing anything to aggravate the internal healing - the artery just decided to burst open!

    After four days of self-imposed bedrest, I am going to venture out today and slowly walk around the mall.

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited September 2011

    Gee... a month away from here and about two weeks from surgery.

    I have been a very busy bee, sorry to say.  I moved to a new town, still dealing with the old house and making the new house likable, still attending school and my second internship.  On top of it all, I have a pretty huge school certification coming up next week on the 22nd and than my surgery on the 26th.  Did I mention that I also have started to look for a job in my new field since I am graduating on 11/2?!

    I had my pre-surgery tests done which revealed that I am anemic... nothing new, I have always been borderline!  This time the PCP told me to take over the counter iron, and in a month I am being retested again!  No wonder I have been super tired... I thought it was all the stuff I am putting myself through!

    Meanwhile I also met with my hysterectomy surgeon; I decided to go with a full hysterectomy vs. partial.  The reasoning behind it is basically me knowing myself medically.  I know if I don't get ride of everything in one shot, I will be under the knife again, sooner or later. 

    I think I am numb... about part of me being gone forever; let's just say that I have been on a count down mood regarding my periods and entering menopause... well, due to unforeseen circumstances, there is not more countdown, there's just a date where everything will be gone.  Looking forward to the rest?  Absolutely yes!!!  But a little scared about how my body is going to react being put in full menopause... I already had chemo-pause and survived it... how much worse could this new phase of my life be?  The surgeon will monitor me closely so I don't go "awire", and if need be, I will be on a supplement of estrogen... Gee only knows what will happen to me next.  One thing is for sure, no more "dirting" nothing!  Yeahy!

    slinky: how are you doing?  It has been a month now... pretty much better?  I hope so.

  • shannonW
    shannonW Member Posts: 186
    edited September 2011

    Hi! I had my LAH on 9-13 on feel great! I kept my ovaries but that "pressure" feeling from the uterus prolapse which I thought was my norm all this time is GONE and that is nice. My gynnie said my uterus was over 3X the normal size and very vascular. My hbg dropped to 8 postop so I'm on iron pills too now for a month(great for the bowels, huh;) I'm one week post op today. I truly was surprised at how well I feel. But you know what, I'm a Mom of 2 plus a hubby anf will be totally taking advantage of the 2 week period to heal. I've been catching up on all my DVR and takin small walks each day. Resting a lot and just taking care of me! I also had my last breast reconstruction surgery at the same time as my hysterectomy  and am pleased with how the fipples look!

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited September 2011

    Wow Shannon... what a plate full!  Glad to hear that your surgery (surgeries) went well and you are happy.  Things have gone "down hill" pretty fast... can't wait to feel back to "normal"... than again, I guess I will never be the "normal" I know for so many years now... other than that... just hope too that I am not getting a cold, compliments of my daughter!

    I will have all week off, and the following week, I already told the place where I am externing (finishing up school) that I will do front desk duties; don't want anything to rupture or regress in any way, shape or form!

    Please let me know of your progress.  That will give me hope for mine, as well as tricks to get better and up and "running" in no time.  Thanks,

    Hugs,

    L

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