June 2011 A/C & T Groupies Unite!
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Had my first Taxol tx yesterday and it went well..my port worked fine first try and am feeling okay so far this morning. They gave me all the same pre-meds as with AC but added Benadryl and Zantac. I had no allergic reactions to the Taxol, which I'm grateful for..the benadryl did make me sleepy even though I only got 25mg! My Onc Nurse says IV benadryl can affect you differently. Now I am waiting to see what happens s/e wise..some say 2-3 days and other 3-5 days for the bone pains..are they sharp pains or dull pains? I have plenty of Claritin, Aleve on hand as well as Vicodin, just in case. Hope everyone is having a good weekend so far!
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Ok, ladies. I'm about to let it all out here. Only read the following if you're in a spot today to take some negativity! My apologizes in advance.
I went to school for 4 days, & it about killed me. I am not physically or mentally ready to return to teaching. My teaching contract allows for me to take a 90 day supplemental sick leave at 50% pay. My principal & my HR dept. are encouraging me to take advantage of the benefit to allow myself time to recuperate & rebuild my physical & mental strength. I'm scheduled for surgery in November to have my tubes & ovaries removed (along w/ my port). I have a 3 cm mass on my right ovary, so I'm anxious to get the surgery. My gyn has done 2 ultrasounds to check the mass, which hasn't grown, thankfully. She has another ultrasound scheduled for early Oct. because she is concerned & doesn't want to allow the next 2 months to pass without keeping an eye on it while waiting for the surgery date. I'm hoping it's just a fluid filled cyst.
Ok, so I went for my last A/C on Thursday. My onco asked how I'm doing, & when I told him that I'm extremely fatigued & finding school difficult, he told me that he doesn't understand why I'm so tired! WHAT??? He then asked me if I'm depressed. As if that's the reason for my fatigue. Hello jerk...I've just gone through a bilateral mastectomy & 8 chemo treatments, why the heck do you think I'm tired!?! I'm not done yet...
I told him that I do have the surgery scheduled for November & that I'm concerned about being at school where I basically teach in a petri dish (room with no windows/no ventilation). I need to build myself up & avoid illness so I can move forward with the surgery in November. His response: the surgery is elective, so I don't have to do it right away and my immune system is just fine. There's no reason for me to worry about getting sick from my students. WHAT??? I'm still not done....
He finished the conversation by telling me that he has bigger problems than me & how he deals with them is to talk with his family & friends. WHAT??? Not quite done yet...
Even though I have the 90 day benefit available to me AND my district is encouraging me to take advantage of it, he WOULD NOT write a doctor's note for me so I can take the time off. He told me it wasn't warranted & the best he would do is write a note for 2 weeks off.
EVERYONE I've talked to about this, including a physician in my family, all agree that taking the 90 days off is in my best interest. Why, then, is my oncologist being such a jerk about this? My dad is reminding me that the difference in cultures is probably where my oncologist is coming from (he's Filipino). My next step is to see either my gyn or general surgeon, who are teaming together for my surgery in November, to see if one of them are willing to write the note. That piece of paper is all that is keeping me from taking time off.
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One of them will write the note. And you need a new oncologist, seriously!!! A compassionate one that connects with you. I don't care how good they are if they are heartless. You've got at least 5 years with an oncologist, maybe longer. You need to really like him or her. I made this mistake last year!
{{{Hugs}}} Take the time off, get your surgery, take time to heal and hopefully be able to enjoy a few minutes of the upcoming holiday season.
Michelle
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Ladies,
I had my last AC 12 days ago and my eyes are incredible itchy and my face is full of "little bumps" and red (not blister or acne). Did anyone experience something like that? It look more like hives. I have not had any Taxol infusions yet, so it can't be that. I will have #1 of 12 Taxol next Wednesday.
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BobbieJO - I know is frustrating and I agreed with Michelle. You have to feel comfortable with your doc, but please, please keep in mind that some of the best ON are literally like "crazy scientist" that work just with facts. That said, my ON writes every notes or prescriptions I request without even asking and believe me sometime I felt like I am playing a role on a movie with Dr. Emmet Brown (Back to the Future).
Do not hesitate to change doc if you do not feel comfortable. Good luck!
Question: After they removed your ovaries are you going to take Tamoxifen?
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BobbieJo, first congrats on finishing! Your gyn or family doc will surely sign for your leave. If not, have your family friend do it. They really just need a physician to fill it out and to sign it. I just finished 5 of 12 abraxane/herceptin. I'm not back to my normal crappy-feeling self since I came home from my admission. I can't imagine how you can work after what you've been through. You also should look into switching MO. Try to ask your SO or some local women in a support group for a referral. You'll probably be following up for a while, and will want to be with someone you really like. I LOVED both of my MO. They are genuinely concerned, and keep telling me that I'll get my strength and life back, and they have signed any paperwork I have given them. The MO I left (because too many patients in the chemo room) actually called me to apologize, and told administration why I left. She spent the time talking to my new MO. I got hugs, and tears wiped from both of them. You need that kind of support. My SO told me to get rid of everything negative in my life, so I'm not stressing over losing my stressful job. She tells me she loves me, and holds my face in her hands. You deserve to have compassionate care, and he shouldn't be laying his problems on you as a guilt trip or as if one upping you!
I worry about my kids coming home sick, I can't imagine teaching!!!!! XOXOXOXO
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I've already had the 4 A+C (fatigue side effect only) and have one more Taxol on 9/19 then on to once a month Herceptin for 12 months. Taxol has been horrid for me due to the bone/muscle pain and fatigue. I'm just wondering what others have experienced with Herceptin side effects. Please share, knowledge is power
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I've had relentless bone, muscle, and nail pain from the Abraxane/Herceptin. It comes in jolts during the day, but when I lay down at night, it's agonizing! My MO told me to take 600 mg advil and 1000mg of Tylenol at the same time, and it's brought it down to a tolerable level so I can fall asleep. I've not really had any neuropathy. My nails are turning black and some have lines, but they are still growing fast. Just hope they don't fall off!
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I totally agree with Michelle - word for word! Hang in there, get a new ONC and take time for yourself to heal!
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Oh, Bobbie Jo, that is not right. You have every right to have an onc who treats you with respect and listens to you! He sounds very dismissive, which is not how a doctor treats his patient. Going through 4 months of chemo is TOUGH. Of course you are exhausted! I have the luxury of not working and I am worn out. I spent 1 1/2 hrs yesterday with little Girl Scout Brownies and I was frequently out of breath. I find it hard to do 'normal' things both physically and mentally. We all need time to heal.
Ralston, I did not get any sort of breakout from AC. My eyes got very watery and goopy, but not itchy. I did get a serious rash from my first taxol, though.
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Itchy goopy eyes and rash on AC- yes - I can't wait for my last round.....
Bobby - get a new Onc. Mine has told me to expect fatigue and helped to find mental support....
He is NOT a keeper.
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((((BobbieJo))))) Can't say much more that hasn't already been said. You are always welcome to vent here!
Watery goopy eyes on AC? I wish! I had just the opposite. Eyes so dry they felt like sandpaper. It's better on T.
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Rose, I thought I was the only one with nail problems! I will definitely be losing two toenails, but the fingernails are hanging on for now. I've painted them so I don't obsess over the dark spots and how little is actually attached. It has helped a bit...
Mt last T is this Thursday and I am still achy from the last time. Haven't needed painkillers in many days but have needed pretty much continuous tylenol and/or advil. I'm trying to alternate so as not to ruin my liver or my stomach LOL...
On the plus side - my friend is hosting a game night on Saturday (board games, card games, etc.) and he has decided we should turn it into a little PFC celebration.
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Had my first Taxol treatment last friday and the side effects have all hit me today. Tingling/pain in hands and feet and my body aches in my legs,hips and arms. I hope they will all stop in a day or two, or is this what I can expect for all 4 rounds? I'm feeling discouraged since I've made it through 4 rounds of AC, but this seems worse than the fatigue I had with AC. I've started taking Acetyl L-Carnitine, L-Glutamine and B6 and wonder how long it takes to start helping.
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The tingling and aches seem to be with me all the time, but the intensity changes. I think it's the worst about days 4-6. I still have fatigue. It's not as intense as AC, but it keeps me from doing very much. Not doing very much is better than nothing at all! So that's the upside to taxol. To me, taxol is only slightly better to deal with than AC. Bottom line is it's still tough chemo, so don't feel discouraged that you aren't feeling better.
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I agree - I am heading towards Taxol #3 this week, and I am surprisingly tired. Yeah, we had a gang at the house yesterday and I did a little bit to help out, but nothing out of the ordinary. By the time everyone left (around 8) I was dead tired. And I haven't moved off the couch much today. My nails are doing OK so far and I still have about the same level of tingling as I did with my last AC...only noticeable when I am lazing. When I'm up and about, I seem to be OK...if only I had enough energy to be up and about normally.
I do have one weird thing, though, and I noticed this a few times during AC...I am feeling some pressure as if vmy ears are plugged or my head is underwater. It's a random thing, and maybe I'm experiencing some allergic thing here in NH that I've never had before. I just saw a powerpoint presentation that shows how chemo can affect hearing. It could be the loss of little hairs somewhere in your middle ear, I think, that are probably not there.
Michelle
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Thanks for the support, everyone. Unfortunately, in our small community, my oncologist is the only choice. I'd have to drive 2 1/2 hours to Buffalo to see the next closest, which I'm not sure I'm willing to do at this point in the game. I'm going to try to get an appt. w/ my gyn tomorrow to see if she'll write me the slip.
Ralston - I will either be on Tamoxifen or something else. That has yet to be determined.
Michelle - I, too, have been having that plugged ear feeling in my left ear. That is the side my port is on, & my husband wondered if that had anything to do with the sensation. I seem to only get it when I move my head in certain directions. It's certainly not consistent. Glad you brought it up. I thought I was going crazy!
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hey my ears does that too from time to time
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I get that, too. Especially when I look up, I get dizzy, hearing gets muffled, and it takes a minute to come back. I also get ear pain from time to time. I get a lot of weird pains. Some are pretty scary. Today, my legs aren't working well. Getting tired of going to bed with the attitude that I'll feel better when I wake up. (Even though it's usually the case!) BobbieJo, you should give your MO the URL to our forum thread, or maybe we should ALL go with you to your next visit and set him straight
XOXOXOXO
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That is very interesting that several of you are having the same ear problems. Mine have finally cleared up and things feel and sound normal. My port is on the right and I think my ear problems are "bilaterel"...lol. The first couple times I used a 12 hour decongestant nose spray, thinking maybe it was a sinus blockage. And it actually seemed to work within a couple of hours. Today it took six hours before it finally cleared up. Who knows??? Another weird SE that oncologists would blame on allergies or say they've never heard of it!
Michelle
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My ears "ring" on and off, but I was told is a SE's of the anemia. Question: While you were taking steroid during AC, did you have skin problems (blushing/flushing)? I had bumps underneath my skin on my face during treatment. My face is red, feel hot and has "bumps". They would manifest themselves a week after taking the meds and last for a few weeks. Someone told me that it could be attributed to the steroids. They are known to cause skin problems.
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Ralston,
I've had skin issues from the start (remember that I had Taxol first, then A/C). I've had bad acne/bumps on my back & chest throughout the whole chemo thing. I do get the red, hot face, but I think that's more from hot flashes than anything else. No real bumps on my face.
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I haven't had any skin problems or hot flashes. But I went through menopause more than a decade ago. That might make a difference.
Michelle
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As soon as I went into chemopause I had a breakout every month instead of a period. So now I have acne spots on my face that will take a long time to fade. With my bald head and lack of eyebrows I think I resemble a robins egg. ugghhh!
4 more taxol! I am in the chair tomorrow. wish me luck
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Bobbie Jo, I'm so sorry to hear about what you're going through with your oncologist. What a jerk! That's just ridiculous! Well, we're all here for you and more supportive and sympathetic than even the best oncologist! Hang in there.
Ralston, I get little red bumps all over my skin, just a bump here and a bump there on my arms, legs, chest, tummy, etc., that I've noticed since I started chemo. The only "rash" I've had was what I think was a heat rash from chemopause and the heat outside. I got it right up under my breasts where the sweat accumulates. Other than that, no strange bumps.
Kat, my eyes, too, are horribly scratchy and painful! It started about a week after my third AC, and this week, even two weeks out from my fourth AC, my eyes are in so much pain I can't keep them open without squinting! They water all the time in the outside corners too. Oh, I envy your energy. I don't know how you have managed to work as much as you have. I have had to work a week on, a week off. There is no way I could work the week after my treatment. I could barely even get off the couch!
Well, I just noticed a couple of days ago that most of my eyebrows are gone, and I have lost more than half of my lashes! I didn't think that would happen until Taxol. I have my first Taxol infusion this Thursday and have elected to go the dose dense route so I can get done quicker. I hope I can stick with it.
Hugs to all of you!
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I have been reading your posts but not had energy to keep up posting myself. Last week I asked for prayer because I was scheduled for a test to see if the three AC treatments had been working on my tumor.
It was a hard day. The Onc had scheduled me for a mamogram and ultrasound, even though my surgeon asked for an MRI. I should have asked them to check with my surgeon, but thought I might be wrong. It took four hours for the mamogram to be read, then wait for the ultrasound, and as expected neither gave results. Finally spoke up and because my surgeon is often the last doc in the center (she is an angel) they discovered that I was supposed to have the MRI. She was able to schedule me for an MRI at the hospital across the street for 7:30 pm, giving me an hour and a half to drink quarts of water since I was dehydrated and there was no one to give a saline drip at that hour. Important with the radioactive dye to get rid of as much as possible after the test.
They put a rush on it and, though my surgeon was off on friday, her nurse gave me the results. The tumor is no smaller, but is less "enhanced." Not sure exactly what that means but they said it meant it was working so I had my last AC yesterday.
Saw my Onc before the treatment and was happier with this visit. Since there is no taxol available she is putting me on Abraxane. She has to do a bit more research to see what the best schedule will be so it might be different that the 12 weeks of taxol.
I see that there are others in the group on Abraxane. I wonder if there enough to start a separate topic.
Thank you so much to you who prayed!
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3bells: I'm so sorry to hear that you're struggling right now. I'll keep you in my prayers.
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Thank you so much, Bobbie Jo. The best thing we can do for each other is pray, isn't it. Though the caring and encouragement are important also.
When I got my neulasta shot today, and told the nurse it was the fourth and last course of AC, she said she always wanted to send up balloons and celebrate with patients at that point. I'm totally glad to be done with it, but will celebrate after the Se/s are finished. Then again - maybe they won't be as bad this time. Tomorrow is usually when they start.
God bless you!
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3bells, I am on abraxane, and will be getting 12 total. I had 3 taxol before switching and just finished my 5th treatment last Friday. I did search for a thread, but really didn't find one. The end seems so long away, and the SEs from AC and taxol can really get you down, but I couldn't have gotten this far without all of you here on this forum. My MO told me that 40% of patients that have neoadjuvant therapy are completely cancer free at the time of surgery, so I'm hoping that the Abraxane kicks some cancer butt for you! XOXOXO
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I have only had on Taxol tx so far and have had bone,joint and muscle pain since day two afterwards. I am on a DD schedule and have 3 more to go and am scared it will be like this each time. Do these aches end in a few days or last until the next treatment? I was hoping to only miss one maybe two days of work, but now and not so sure. Thanks for all the info on this board, it helps to be able to read about others exeriences. For me the AC was definitely easier, I can take fatigue any day than this pain.
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