Help with Hand Lymphedema and Glove

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foreverhopeful
foreverhopeful Member Posts: 68
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hello!

I have had lymphedema for 6 months now, primarily in my hand and a bit into my forearm.  My hand started to swell the night of my very last radiation treatment.  I tried 4 different over the shelf gloves and just received my second custom glove in the mail.  I was sad to see that it didn't seem to do much better than the first custom glove.  The first was a class I (the OT wanted to start slow) and the second is a class II.  Both are Juzo cotton.  Is there a more agressive fabric?  In both the top of my hand just puff up almost immediately.  It also gets into my palm a bit too.  The therapist ddin't want to go to tight at the top of my fingers, so they wouldn't turn blue, but they are pretty stretched out and then I get swollen on the tops of my finger too. I have tried wearing the glove without the sleeve to see if that would help. (The sleeve is class I).  I still have a bit left in my two week window to possibly get it adjusted, since I just received it.  And would love any advice from anyone who has had success with such a tricky area.  I would actually see if I could get another one if I could figure out something that would work.  I hate the thought of having to go another three months with this glove.  (All of the "gear" that I have for my arm works great.)

I bandage at night and have a Solaris Tribute.  The hand piece for the Solaris wasn't the magic I had hoped for either.  I now use foam and wrap over it.  It brings done the swelling in the top of my hand, but my fingers actually swell up at night.  That is why I alternate with the bandaging.   

 I would love any advice that anyone has had with hand lymphedema.  I feel like it has gotten worse than when I first developed and would have hoped that I was moving forward by this point instead of backwards.  From what I have read it is hard to manage and different than arm lymphedema.  I need help and I thank you all in advance!!!!!!!!

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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2011

    Foreverhopeful,

      I can totally relate: I developed hand and forearm LE three weeks post op. Hands are TOUGH!

      It's been over three years, and it has gotten better: I primarily wrap at night, as I also found the Solaris isn't that great for my hands.

       I have a custom Juzo glove, and one thing the fitter and my LE therapist have said to me is that "sometimes less is more with hands"--I use a compression class one, the glove goes to the nail beds and the forearm--about 4 inches or so below my wrist.

       It took 5 tries to get the first custom Juzo right.

       I found that at the start I really had trouble with the top of my hand swelling  and some of the palm. I tried foam inserts in the gloves with some benefit.

      A lot of the time, when I was having a tough time getting things under control, I would hang out at home or in the car, in a gauze finger wrap, rather than a glove.

        My swelling started at the back of my hand, and moved into my fingers and palm. And the forearm was an issue for a while.

        It has gotten much better, but there have been times of great frustration along the way.

        It's not uncommon for it to take a while before you get a hand under control--it's not a simple cylinder like an arm.

        Maybe the class 2 is too much for you and it sure doesn't sound like the fingers are doing their job.

        We pay a lot for these gloves, they should work. I sent it back 5 times. The Juzo rep got a bit ticked off, but we finally got a glove that worked.

       Hang in there.

    Kira

  • foreverhopeful
    foreverhopeful Member Posts: 68
    edited September 2011

    Hi Kira,

    Thank you so much!  I am so glad to hear that it has gotten better.  Our situations sound very similar. (unfortunately - huh?) I do have a few questions.  Do you wear a sleeve all the way up too?  Or since it is mostly in your forearm, did you have it made to go up higher and only wear the one garment?  (I have the two.)  What material is your Juzo?  is there something called strong?  When you sent your Juzo back, did they tighten it "around" your hand at all.  It just seems like there is too much give for it just to puff up.  Oh, and you say gauze finger wrap is that the same get up as what I bandage with at night? Thank you again for your advice!!!  Julie

  • foreverhopeful
    foreverhopeful Member Posts: 68
    edited September 2011

    Hi Kira,

    Thank you so much!  I am so glad to hear that it has gotten better.  Our situations sound very similar. (unfortunately - huh?) I do have a few questions.  Do you wear a sleeve all the way up too?  Or since it is mostly in your forearm, did you have it made to go up higher and only wear the one garment?  (I have the two.)  What material is your Juzo?  is there something called strong?  When you sent your Juzo back, did they tighten it "around" your hand at all.  It just seems like there is too much give for it just to puff up.  Oh, and you say gauze finger wrap is that the same get up as what I bandage with at night? Thank you again for your advice!!! 

    P.S.  Sorry about the deletes - I am new to this:)

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2011

    Forever, I think Juzo changed the name from Helastic to strong, and that's what I have--I don't wear a sleeve, as I've (knock on wood) never clinically swollen above the elbow, except when I just wrapped only to the elbow for a while, and got a "pocket" above the elbow. My custom glove is kind of "opera length" and extends pretty far down my arm.

    There is this physics concept: The Law of LaPlace, and what it says is that when we put pressure on the hand, the majority of the pressure goes to the sides, unless we create more of circle--hence padding or inserts, and why you might (and I do) use foam inserts when you bandage. That puts more pressure on the front and back of the hand.

    I did use Solaris swell spots: I found the dorsum one to be huge, so I used the palm spots:

    http://solarismed.com/products/swell-spots/112-swell-spots-product-gallery

    My issue with the Juzo glove was the length of the fingers, so that was the primary issue. Once they made the wrist huge. 

    And yes, the gauze finger wrap is the one you use when bandaging:

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  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited September 2011

    Forever, my problems with swelling in my hand were helped when my fitter ordered gloves for me that were LOOSER around the palm, not tighter. If it's tight, that causes your hand to "collapse" inward in a resting position, which leaves the palm completely un-compressed. (Did that make sense?) The tighter glove also made my hand ache because of the effort it took to open my hand when I was using it all day. And achiness or pain also draws more lymph fluid to the site, so that was another factor that led to more hand swelling. I use a "Palmer" swell-spot from Solaris for my palm when it's flaring, but normally don't need it if my glove fits well. Using a palm swell-spot can sometimes work without needing to add a dorsal swell-spot, because it pulls the fabric tighter across the top of your hand as well.

    This is all so much trial and error, but it's good to know all the variations that have worked for different women so you can try them out and see what works for YOU. I hope Jinky will be along with her suggestions, as she's been at this for a while too.

    Let us know what you discover!
    Binney

  • foreverhopeful
    foreverhopeful Member Posts: 68
    edited September 2011

    Hi Binney and Kira,

    Thank you so much for your advice.   I meet with my OT tomorrow, so I will see what she says, but I do think it is good to hear what has worked for others.  Very interesting about what would happen with a glove that is too tights.  I never would have thought. 

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited September 2011

    Good luck.  My therapist cut a special foam pad which I wore on top of my hand under a Class I custom glove.  Sure made it difficult to put on the glove, but worked.  However, because the glove seams irritated my skin, now I wear a Jobst seamless which is a Class II.  (I don't think Jobst makes a Class I seamless.)  I was afraid that it would be too tight, but once the fingers are stretched out (large magic markers do the trick--capped of course!), it is just fine.  

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