I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited September 2011

    Oops, Terror Alert - listening to ABC - trucks missing in mid-West - three people came into country today with false papers - they have their names but haven't apprehended.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2011

    I thought it was a great speech.  Hopefully the Job's bill will pass quickly.

    Seems like Homeland Security has everything under control.

    Bren

    PS ... Yay!  NFL starts now!  I love fall and it's officially here now!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2011
  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited September 2011

    Sandy - Congress had best do something and do it quickly.  Where are all of those jobs they promised when they were elected?  Hmmmph.

    CNN sent out breaking news about a credible security threat as 9/11 approaches.  Nothing specific, though, unless you count the missing trucks and falsely-papered persons.  Everybody be careful out there.

    E

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2011

    Libby .. I just knew you were a cheesehead!

    I was busy today with my marketing.  Have a stack of letters and brochures to go out in the mail tomorrow.  Please keep your fingers crossed for me that the timing is just right for getting a new client.  This mailing I'm targeting neuropsychologists .. hope someone needs me!!

    Thanks gals,

    Bren

  • kad2kar
    kad2kar Member Posts: 336
    edited September 2011

    Bren----Don't ever forget we NEED you HERE!!!!!! Won't pay the bills, but you get lots of LOVIN'!!! I just woke up from my corner in the BCO Bar&Grill. Jancie scared me talking about the dentist. Hugs to everyone.  kad2kar

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited September 2011

    I don't know what you guys heard but I heard the same old tired rhetoric. Off to listen to the GrrenFlash videos I recorded.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2011
    I heard nothing - I'm watching Project Runway. It is my one and only "participation" in Pop culture. Only 15 minutes left. CryLaughing
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2011

    I spent the evening with my son.  Will watch CNN later.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited September 2011

    BinVA.....................the appt. did not go well...............my LE therapist was very unhappy with the fit of the "2nd custom sleeve"..................she was pissed...............told me to send it back, get my money, and tell them forget it...............She said she will find another solution with another company.....................she did however give me an over the counter sleeve which fit better then the custom one , and a "slippie" to get it on easier, since I live alone and have no one to help me yank this bitch up to my shoulder......................here  we go again................bah.......

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited September 2011

    Athena - I was ticked off when dh got home from out of town tonight.  I was watching Project Runway and he wanted to watch something else so I had to put my show on hold until he fell asleep - just finished watching it!

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited September 2011

    Hi All,

    Quick pop in before I head off to dreamland. For all you NPR nuts out there, we went to the taping of Wait, Wait.. tonight. It started 15 minutes late because of Obama's speech and  they were watching to get stuff to use in  the program. So if you listen to it (it's on Sat morning here) know that some of the laughter and applause are coming from me!!

    Nighty night!!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2011

    Cherryl, that's so cool!  I *love* "Wait, Wait . . ." but I often end up missing all or part of it because I'm out running errands on Saturday morning.  Will have to set up a reminder for this weekend!

    L

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2011

    Good Morning Peeps!

    Ducky ... What a mess.  Sure hope things can get straightened out with your sleeve.  It sounds so frustrating.

    Linda .. Are you up early running this morning?  I'm up, but not running anywhere, except to do some errands in a little while.

    Blue .. I'm so glad you got to spend time with your son.

    Chaplain .. I don't know what that program is about.  Glad you had fun though.

    Hope everyone has a good day,

    Bren

    PS .. Thanks Kad2kar .. I hope I get some responses!

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2011

    There's an online version of WWDTM (wait, wait, don't tell me):

    http://www.npr.org/templates/quiz/quiz.php

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    Cherry - how lucky of you to be able to do that.  I LOVE that program.

    Listened to Obama - and was impressed with his vigor, determination - think he hit the right tone, and some of what he's presented will have to pass.  Got positive reviews this am from NYTimes David Brooks, AND Paul Krugman - surprise!   So really think it will make a difference.

    Got the Friedman book at Costco.  That Used to be US.  I haven't read much of his work since The World is Flat.  Interested he has a coauthor Michael Mandelbaum, Prof at Johns Hopkins.

    I don't do any "pop" culture.  Unless you count reading, but somehow don't expect that counts.

    Glad to hear there are others in my NPR world, thoughWink

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2011

    I am tired of listening to Obama be inspirational and make sense only to have the republicans work to torpedo everything he does just because of who he is. This is an extreme opinion and I did not come to it lightly or quickly. It's depressing. A great man is not being allowed to be great by people who prefer their political hide over their country. Only a small positive shout out to Cantor the other day for at least being willing to consider infrastructure investments.

    So.......I enjoyed Project Runway. Jancie - what did you think? I am glad they eliminated that designer, as her clothes really were dowdy. Having said that, if she had made pants instead of a skirt and pulled the top up two inches or so, the look may have been quite chic.

    I am having some qualms about the judging this season. They seem to go for the very orderly, pret-a-porter dress. Remember the pet store challenge? The dress that won was very similar in style to the one that won last night. They also seem to hate color. I was also shocked at how they praised the look last week that features the brown skirt, orange top, model with the blond frizzy shock of hair and pointed hat. She looked like the good witch in Wizard of Oz. Nothing avant-garde about that, IMO, and the accessorizing was awful. Also, I don't think Josh C's creation deserved the criticism it got either. Anyway, blah, blah, blah....Oh, I thought Bert's pants last week looked like something out of a circus. Could not believe that the judges were not more critical.

    I love "Wait, Wait...." too. Also, This American Life and, of course, Car Talk.

    Hope everyone is having a good morning. It's Friday, so buckle up....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    Athena, I could have written the 1st paragraph of your post.  I think we will look back in several years as this being such a lost opportunity to change our counrty for the better.  If this man, with his tempermant, intelligence can't bring the country together to reach for "our better angels" then I don't think anyone could.  That's what I'm saddest about - the smallness, the narrow, mean thinking of so many people.  The loss of a communal spirit of "we're all in this together" - because we ARE.

    And, opposing the spending because "it didn't work before" - who says it "didn't work" - it saved us from going into the worst Depression since 1930's - this President was handed a plate of problems deeper, more serious, than any person holding the office before him.  I still believe there is racism behind so much of the "oppostition."  

    The Boston Tea Party was against "taxation without representation" - not against taxes.  The simplistic thinking, the sloganeering the down right lies being "spewed" as "sound bites" to rally the "base" is baseless.  All you have to do is add an S to ObamaCare = ObamaCares.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2011

    Yes he does.  I agree!

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2011

    As a foreigner looking in, the division in congress was quite obvious last night.  Without having emotions involved in the political game in the US, I wonder about two things.  How does one party get away with stonewalling everything at a time when so much is needed to be done?  And I am pretty sure that they will be the first to point out that this gov't has done nothing.Undecided

    Secondly, how have corporations (job creators???) been able to convince so many middle class people that they should be willing to accept personal loss on such a dramatic level in order to preserve the lifestyle of the rich? It has nothing to do with sharing the wealth, it is more like running over the little guy because he allows it.

    JMHO.  

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2011

    Pip .. great questions!  I wish I had the answer.  My guess is most of the poor and middle class are so worn down by the current situation, that they have given up hope.  Thus, the big guys can continue to run all over them.  I know things are desperate in my area of the country.

    I know I've about given up hope.  I don't know why Congress won't let the President get anything done.  It's incredibly sad to me.

    How did it go the other day with all the realtors?

    hugs,

    Bren

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited September 2011

    Hi Girls - 2 very tired tourists here. After a late start we did the hop on hop off bus, then walked for miles and then got a river cruise, then got the metro back to the hotel. There are no f-ing toilets here!!! I saw the queue for the Louvre and honestly can't be bothered. I do want to go to the Musee D'Orsay though but want to do it when I'm not hot and sweating and worn out. Luckily I wore short sleeves today but had jeans on. It is expected to really hot tomorrow - I'll wear pedal pushers.

    I'll say hi to Jim for you Blue.

    Sweaty Susie

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2011
    Bren, no word from the earlier showings but we had another one this morning.  I think that the news that the interest rate was staying at 1% and the continual roller coaster ride on the stock market, people with big money are seriously looking at putting their money in land.  However, a lot of them are heading to the US to buy up the foreclosures there.Undecided
  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited September 2011

    Also, we stopped at a patisserie and I ate 2 tarte au fraise in rapid succession - totally delicious!!!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2011

    Pip, I have answers to your questions - not explanations or excuses, but answers, sad and simple. I think it lies in our culture. The idea of capitalism and trickle-down economics is so firmly embedded in our thinking that we are inherently loathe to think that uncontrolled free enterprise could be incompatible with everybody's well being. What benefits corporations is bound to benefit the little man, so the thinking goes, and this is because, once upon a time in the American economy, it did. In the fifties, when you were married to your job and your employer, in an unwritten social contract, the company took care of you.

    How is congress allowed to get away with stonewalling? By confusing the people about who is doing the stonewalling. By mixing up facts and mistaking facts for opinion. This is because religious extremists have taken over thinking on our society. It is shocking but somewhat acceptable for an evangelist to blame a natural disaster on lesbians or liberals. They get pummeled, but enough people agree. It is also acceptable that if I say something like "government figures find the national unemployment to by 9.1 percent," someone can retort "that is your opinion." The democrats are partly to blame (and the more liberal, then more blameworthy in this aspect, IMO, because they never stood up to conservative fact twisting. They were too scared. For example, Kerry spent more time trying to convince voters how like conservatives he was, and never had the guts to counter Karl Rove's charge that he was "out of the mainstream." Kerry's cowardice is emblematic of the stances of many liberals. Meanwhile, Rove, an out-of-the mainstream extremist himself, was able to make a lie sing like the truth. And he learned something valuable for many conservatives: it doesn't matter if it's a lie. Just say it over and over and people will believe it.

    The upshot: true, ideological conservatives like Pat Buchanan got pushed to the sidelines and meainstream uneducated voters adopted the faith-based approach to facts. There are many old-style conservatives out there who have been marginalized in this process and if they were in congress, they got voted out and exchanged for faith-based nut cases. There are very few moderates in the house. Old style conservatives in the senate are a rarity. Lugar and Snowe come to mind. Specter ended up ousted.

    The media is also to blame. From the moment Bush took office and 9/11 happened, they took the Bush administration at its word and never questioned the lies. Clinton's political strategizing had already fed an appetite for 24-hour campaigning and punditry.

    Obama, Reid, etc.... are all inheritors of these political trends. The Tea Party has become a mixture of true libertarians, plain old republicans and nutcases so it lacks defined policies. It is blinded by ideology. Senate rules make it very hard for anything but an overwhelming majority to rule. The House has a system in which the minority party has very few rights (compared with the senate). A president (any president) is dissected 24/7 by pollsters and lazy pundits who confused barely-scientific polls with real research, and who ignore flawed methodologies that may suggest complexity in favor of their own soundbite-ready recipes.

    So it's a lot of things, really. I don't want to think that Obama is the right man at the wrong time. But maybe it's true: we're not ready for a president like Obama. Not because he's black but because he is great.  Empires usually decline from internal failings and the inability of the peeple and its institutions to rally around a common vision and goals and see good ideas for what they are. Perhaps we are there. :(

    (Typos to be corrected later.)

    Edited: The political part of this post has the following role in my physical/emotional health: it saddens me, which depresses my immune system.

    Edited again for clarity.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2011

    Is that so Laura. 

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2011

    Shokker, I'm starting to really worry about you!

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2011

    Well, my emotional health is stressed by trying to figure out why?  Isn't yours Laura?  Maybe more people should ask questions instead of repeating party lines.

    That's all.  I am off to work.  Didn't mean to start off the same old cut and paste discussions. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    Looks like it's gonna be a Happy Friday!

    Blue, enjoy your 8 hr drive to Blind River. The colours are starting to change a wee bit. DH and I went for a day tour last week from base camp (cottage) to see a few towns further west up 17hwy. Our destination was Blind River, hoping to stop for a nice lunch before turning around and heading back. The nicest spot.........The Marina! Next time I think we'll head down Manitoulin.

    The rich are also dumping everything for gold! I agree, Obama is being stonewalled. Things could be so much better but, he inherited a huge huge mess! I feel for the man, he has aged considerably in the last while. The world is watching nervously and reactions are taking thier toll in the financial markets. A Great President yes..........let the man do his job!

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