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  • luvmy2kids
    luvmy2kids Member Posts: 65
    edited September 2011

    I have a silly question.... My oncologist told me NOT to have fruits, salads, buffets, raw veggies etc... I was told I could have watermelon and cantaloupe (but it had to be cleaned before I cut into it) are your doctors telling this to you guys?  I am just curious because I have seen a couple of posts where patients are eating salads (AND BOY WOULD I LOVE TO HAVE SALAD from OLIVE GARDEN;-))))))  I start my Taxol tomorrow ---just finished AC (yippeeee).. Thanks for the input---I am just wondering if my doctor is being overly cautious....

  • Ralsper
    Ralsper Member Posts: 352
    edited September 2011

    All fresh produce may carry dangerous bacteria or other organis that can cause food borne illnes. Definetely, avoid eating raw food in restaurants and use food safety guidelins for handling, all raw produce, incluiding organid, organically grown and feneral produce:

    • Refrigerate fruits and vegetables promptly.
    • Do not purchase produce that has been cut at the focery store (melon, cabbage, etc)
    • Commercial produce rinses are nor recommended.
    • Scrub produce using clean vegetable scrubber.
    • Rinse leaves of leafy vegetables individually under running water.
    • Packaged salads should be washed. Check for "use by" date.
    • Do not ear any raw vegetavle sprouts.
    • Trow away fruits and vegetables that are slimy or show mold.
  • luvmy2kids
    luvmy2kids Member Posts: 65
    edited September 2011

    Ralston--Great--Thank you!  Guess I still have to stay away from Olive Garden until all of this is done;-(

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Well, I know we've had this discussion before...and you all know that I am getting treatment at Dana Farber.  I have no restrictions at all on what I eat or where I eat it.  I asked my oncologist about this and she said that unless you are neutropenic, there is no reason to use anything but normal caution.  I've eaten salads in restaurants every week during treatment.  I eat fruits and veggies every day, incuding berries in my yogurt, apples, grapes, cherries, watermelon...you name it.  I am diabetic; fruits and veggies are a big part of my diet and I was very concerned about this very topic.  I was specifically told not to worry about it.

    About the only thing I am self-limiting are things that upset my tummy, give me heartburn, etc.  And I am not drinking alcoholic beverages for the next 4 weeks.  I was NOT told not to drink alcohol, but I noticed that my liver enzymes were slightly elevated and I figured I didn't need to add insult to injury by having a drink that is not that big of  a deal to me.  Once the liver enzymes are back to normal after Taxol, I'll indulge again in my 1-3 drinks a week. 

    Like everything else, opinions vary.

    Michelle

  • Southamptonmom
    Southamptonmom Member Posts: 491
    edited September 2011

    I HATE CHEMO!  I FEEL LIKE CRAP!

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Let it all out, Rose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • luvmy2kids
    luvmy2kids Member Posts: 65
    edited September 2011

    Me too-- I hate chemo as welll.... Start Taxol tomorrow and am scared......

  • tldrose
    tldrose Member Posts: 39
    edited September 2011

    @ Rose & luvmy2kids - I'm right there with you! I hate Chemo and I've been feeling pretty crappy this week! I also start Taxol this week on Friday and am scared, but know that we can get through this!

  • Ralsper
    Ralsper Member Posts: 352
    edited September 2011

    My worst week also and I will start Taxol next Tuesday.... I shouldn't say this because I promise myself that I was going to work with my treatment and not against it and I was going to embrace chemo as a healing agent that is aiding in my wellness...yaddadadad.... But today I HATE CHEMO!!!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2011

    Yep! I'm joining the hating chemo bandwagon!!!!  It IS doable, and I AM staying pretty positive, but that doens't mean I can't hate it right?  Undecided

    I haven't restricted anything fruits- and veggie-wise.  I've been eating everything from berries to plums, from peppers to salad.  I'm also doing neupogen shots to keep my WBCs up.  I figure if they help my immunity enough for me to hang around sick people in the nursing home all day, then a nectarine won't hurt me.  I would have gone crazy this summer without fresh produce; I am a dietitian and a bit of a locavore....

    There's lots of us out there who seem to be feeling low.  We WILL get through this, friends!!!!

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    LOL!!!  I think we all HATE CHEMO!  We're just putting one foot in front of the other, showing up for treatment like good warriors, and dealing with the aftermath as best we can. 

    I think, for me, the big "revelation" in all of this is that I have been able to get through it without it killing me.  Because, honestly, I thought it would, for sure!  Everyone uses the word "doable" and my thoughts were that, yeah, going to war and coming home minus limbs is "doable" because the human body and spirit are so resilient.  But doable doesn't mean you would want or choose to do it!!!

    I guess the one thing that has kept me going is that I was determined to not let chemo keep me from living my life, spending time with my family (after 20 years of living away) and to the extent possible, enjoying all the things I like to do, or eat, or see, or whatever.  With just 2 Taxols left, I have managed to keep on keeping on!  Yeah, I've had lots of SEs but I have found there's a pill to minimize almost every one of them except the hair loss and fatigue. 

    I know that my journey is not what many of you have experienced.  That is the reality of our human bodies, though.  We are all so different, we all process things differently and our bodies all react differently.  I learned this first by being diabetic and understanding that one food would raise someone's glucose while that same food would be fine for another diabetic. 

    The thing that has amazed me most (although I think my family had more confidence in me than I did) is that I have been able to face all these challenges with way more courage than I ever thought I had in me.  I've never, ever thought of myself as courageous, brave, whatever descriptor ou like to use.  Perhaps I wasn't giving myself enough credit for being a "tough cookie".  I remember people saying that about my grandmother - that she was "tough" and could handle anything thrown her way.  And now I know that I am tough, resilient, and all those adjectives that would describe someone who has battled a ferocious opponent.  I am not yet ready to call myself a survivor, but I am a fierce warrior! 

    We are all tough, warriors in this battle, and we will march on as we must until we can claim victory. 

    Man your battle stations, ladies! We've got some work to do kicking cancer's a$$!

    Michelle

  • Southamptonmom
    Southamptonmom Member Posts: 491
    edited September 2011

    Michelle, you are a warrior! I have 10 more months of chemo, surgery, radiation, and herceptin. I'm sure I have some sisters here that have the same schedule. I felt like last week was my last days of life. I've always thought of myself as a tough cookie, but I'm just surviving a day at a time.

    Going for labs today, and possibly neupogen. Kids start school tomorrow. Another reason to be sad. I love when they are home with me...

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Rose - I started this battle on June 18, 2010 and I'm still fighting! 

    Diagosis June 2010 folowed by Mammotome biopsy

    Lumpectomy and Mammosite Radiation last July

    Femara and monthly follow-ups August through February

    Clear (???) mammo and ultrasound - December

    Tumor markers rising - January 2011

    Huge painful seroma drained and biopsied - March, recurrence confirmed

    PET/CT - MRI - early April

    BMX with TE's - April

    Chemo started June 15th

    Rads - probably late October until Christmas, depending on how they can radiate me (can't redo my breast area)

    Finish some kind of reconstruction - probably April 2012

    Yup, almost 2 years, one day at a time.  It's the only way you can get through any of this.

    And oh yeah, we moved my mom with Alzheimers and ourselves halfway across the country in between BMX and first chemo. 

    Ah, the "back to school" blues.  Hmmm...I never had those.  I do remember being happy to have the kids back in school as I worked full-time and I didn't have to worry when they were in school.  I had 4 kids so you can understand why the first day of school might be something to be celebrated!  I might have thought differently about it if I were fighting breast cancer with young children. 

    Good luck with labs - hoping for nice high WBC! 

    Michelle

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2011

    All I gotta say is AMEN Michelle!!  Wonderfully put.  I want to share a blog post I wrote once called "On Courage:"

    I'm not going to pretend that I'm all of a sudden some expert on courage. I will tell you it took everything I had to walk into work the day I chose to forgo the wig for the scarf... and every so often, I need to tap into my reserves just to kind of get out there and live my life as normally as possible...

    One of my fabulous co-workers gave me this children's book about courage (ETA: author's name is Bernard Waber - I show a picture of the cover on the blog post but haven't figured out how to do it here on BCO) when she heard of my diagnosis. It's awesome! I wish I could share all the pages with you, dear friends. The first pages read:

    There are many kinds of courage.
    Awesome kinds (illustration of circus performers mid-air).
    And everyday kinds (illustration of little boy contemplating jumping off the high dive, then plugging his nose and going for it).
    Still, courage is courage - whatever kind (illustration of a little girl riding her bike without the training wheels).

    It's honestly too late tonight for any kind of big discussion about courage. All I know is that we all have it within us, and we all have to use it from time to time. The last line of the book says something like:

    Courage is what we give to each other.

    ....I really can't say it any better than that!

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited September 2011

    Ha-ha!  I never had back to school blues either!  I don't work, but I do enjoy the routine, and that makes me feel like a better mom.  

    Yup!  Hate chemo!!  I'm just getting through the dog days of taxol #3.  One more taxol for me.  Then I need to strengthen up for revision surgery in Dec.  I don't know for sure if my onc wants me on tamoxifen.  I'm just starting to read about tamoxifen and I'm not liking what I'm reading.  I'm not going to worry about it just yet.  I'm not out of chemo yet, so I still take one day at a time.  I have been reading more about nutrition and recipes.   I've been taking baby steps with physical activity.  Tomorrow I'm going for a bra fitting!  I've just been wearing my surgical bras and camis.  Next week I'm going to a Look Good Feel Better session.  

    Oh, my feet have been tingly almost all the time.  It better go away!  I also noticed some ridges on my fingernails; ridges that sort of follow the moons.  I thought I was getting away with no effects on my nails. My nails do still feel strong, though.  

    My doc didn't give me any restrictions on food. I could probably use a bit of restriction!  Time enough for that. 

  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited September 2011

     I got to chemo yesterday and felt like junk. my numbers were not totally tanked but due to my nueropothy and the bloody noses that I get daily and had blamed on my sinus cold n cough. Next thing I found myself being sent home with a week off. 

    Apparently the bloody nose, issues with my feet and hands won me the day off and a z-pack. As well as a reduction in my dosage when I will return they are reducing me by 20%. I came home and cried and cried which only made things worse.

    My end date is now 10-4. Had a melt down with my hubby he just listened and thankfully didnt try to reason with me. I cant tell 'normal' ppl why one week sent me over the edge like that.

    I knew you would understand.

    Laura 

  • pebee
    pebee Member Posts: 317
    edited September 2011

    Dear Laura

    I understand........ Get wellish and restart the chemo done countdown......

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2011

    Oh Larua, so sorry to hear about it all.  Big hugs to you!  

    Paula, I have the neuropathy too.  It's annoying ain't it?

    I had a meltdown yesterday too.. actually overnight... I couldn't sleep and just found myself gettinng more and more frustrated.  I tried holding it all in and that just made it worse.  Ended up sobbing - the kind of crying where your breath shudders and you hiccup through it.  I haven't cried like that in years!  I hate what this experience is doing to me - I don't want to be the crazy, sad person this makes me feel like sometimes!

    That's my rant of the day.  Promise to bring positive vibes next time.......

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Laura - so sorry to hear about the chemo holiday.  I know exactly what you mean and that's why I was so adamant about getting the Neulasta shot after last week's Taxol.  You know, my oncologist told me that Taxol doesn't cause low WBC but that is a bunch of bull!  I read the Taxol prescribing information with all its mumbo-jumbo, but you don't need to be a doctor or pharmacist to figure out the statistics on getting neutropenic from it.    Check this out and use it the next time you need to discuss your low WBC with your doctor:

    http://www.rxlist.com/taxol-drug.htm

    Those of you with neuropathy - are you taking the Acetyl L-Carnitine, L-Glutamine and B-6.  I don't know for sure if it's working, but I have just a tiny bit of tingling in my feet - nothing significant at this point. 

    Take care, everyone!

    Michelle

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited September 2011

    Laura, I understand!  Even though I haven't been delayed, I sometimes worry about it.  I don't want that end date to change any more than anyone else.  My daughter came home early today with a fever.  Freaks me out a bit!  I over did it today with a PT appt and a bra fitting.  Just those two wore me out!  I was going to go to a support group tonight, but am passing because I'm so worn out.  I slept terribly last night, so that probably contributed to it.  

    Kat, I sometimes get upset when I cry but ultimately that kind of crying is SO cathartic.  I try to embrace it because it is such a release.  I figure all that (whatever it is: pain, sadness, grief, anger) is just sitting inside me and the cry helps it flow out.  It's been a while since I had a melt down.  

    With the neuropathy I've just been taking B complex.  I keep meaning to get the other stuff, but...  There is tingling almost all the time.  I was just thinking about how to describe it and to me it feels like my feet are a little burnt, like when you run barefoot across your blacktop driveway to get the mail. Subtle enough not to hurt but always feel it.  

    My onc didn't say taxol wouldn't lower my WBC but said it shouldn't.  I've been getting the neulasta shot after each one; it really wasn't a question.   

  • 716bobbiejo
    716bobbiejo Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2011

    I'm off for my LAST infusion!  Here's hoping my counts are up enough to get it today so I don't have the delay the end of this very, very long road!

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Woohoo Bobbie Jo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     You'll be joining the Hair, Hair, Hair thread next! 

    I talked to my Anthem BC/BS case manager today and learned that Anthem will no longer deny payment for Neulasta because of where it's administered.   Hallelujah!  My chemo nurse and the Financial Advisor will NOT have to fight that battle for me again, and I am going to beg to get it for the last two treatments. 

    I really owe those two ladies...need to find the right "thank you" for my last treatment.   Any ideas, other than the usual cookies, cake, or whatever?  I'm actually thinking of flowers for the two of them, but I'd like to hear your ideas. I'm sure they've received it "all" by now, it'll be hard to be creative. And I am not a crafter so it won't be a handmade item unless it's something I write...hmmm...which may not be a bad idea.

    Michelle

  • pebee
    pebee Member Posts: 317
    edited September 2011

    Woo Hoo Bobbie Jo- come back and visit us....!

  • 716bobbiejo
    716bobbiejo Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2011

    pebee:  Oh, I'm not going anywhere yet!  My last infusion may be behind me, but that doesn't mean the side effects are!  :0)

    Michelle:  Something written personally for the ladies would be a most thoughtful gift.  I know it's something I would appreciate if I were in their shoes. 

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Yes, Bobbie Jo...but you are xx hours PFC!!!!!!!!  And we are envious!  Hope the SEs are minimal!

    Anyone planning a getaway or celebration after chemo?  I just booked us a week at Delray Beach in mid-October.  It's time for a break from the madness!  It will definitely be a "no cancer discussion" zone!

    Michelle

  • pebee
    pebee Member Posts: 317
    edited September 2011

    We are trying... I should be done with chemo round two the second week of November.  Perhaps somewhere over Thanksgiving..... We have kids in school so the dates will be problematic......

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2011

    I didn't deliberately plan it this way, but it just so happens our annual 'girls getaway weekend' is set for 2 weeks PFC.  We're going to Ithaca and are planning to hike, pick apples, visit our old college haunts, and spend an afternoon at this spa we love.  The following weekend is a family reunion (not too far from you Michelle - in the Sunapee area), and then I am tentatively scheduled for surgery the following week. 

    I promised I wouldn't write again unless I had something positive to say.  Well here it is -- I am feeling SO much better today!  Among other reasons... I got a solid nights' sleep, some fresh air and sunshine on a 2-hour walk, had a chance to read a novel for part of the afternoon, and enjoyed an onco massage this evening.  The worst SE's from last week's T are behind me and I feel like myself again.  Hallelujah!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2011
    PS - congrats BobbieJo!!  Good luck with the last of your SEs. Laughing
  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited September 2011

    Doing the happy dance for you, Kat!!!

  • Beebop
    Beebop Member Posts: 206
    edited September 2011

    Laura...I know the feeling...I went last Friday for TAxol #12 of 12 and was sooo ready to be done. My counts were too low so they had to postpone. Good news is my counts came up just enough so I had my final Taxol today. Woo Hoo! Now I have an MRI and Muga scan Monday and then get a 2 week break before starting AC..boo..

    Glad you had some good news to share!

    Becky

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