Cancer in post mastectomy, reconstructed breast?
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Hi Worried in Vegas,
Chances are it's nothing, but with having a history, it's always better to be vigilant and make sure. When is your MRI?
Laura
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Hi, I had a unilateral mx with immediate DIEP recon, TCHx6 and herceptin for a year. I'm about 1.5 years out from finishing tx and I feel a small lump in the recon breast, near the skin surface, not far from the original tumor location. I'm seeing onco on Weds and am trying not to worry - but you know how that goes! I put it out of my mind for a bit and then it comes right back to freak me out. So glad there is somewhere to come to speak about these fears.
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I am so pleased to have found this site, I have been uncomfortable for the past few weeks, feeling heavy, weak and occasional stabbing pains on my post op side. But couldn't feel anything wrong, you think your imagining things. I was instructed to stop my Arimadex after taking them 5 years at Easter and admit I have felt terrified since that it would come back. Tonight I've found it, I've felt a lump, a ridge, tumour like slim firmness at the sight of my mastectomy under the top edge of my reconstruction implant. I won't sleep all night until I get hold of someone in the morning to start checking this out. You just have an inner dread, sometimes you just know. It's exactly the same pain and feeling I had the week I was first diagnosed, Six and a half years ago. I'm gonna draw all the strength I can from you fantastic women who have faced this and stood up to it for a second or even third time.
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hang in there eilzsmilz, my lump turned out to be a likely epidermoid cyst - benign! My BS is going to remove it any way for piece of mind, next week. good luck and hope you get some answers soon!
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yes it is possible. it happened to me. Skin sparing mastectomy, then tram flap, 9 years later a lump that was "supposed" to be fat necrosis was a local recurrence.
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huh, I spoke too soon. The "cyst" turned out to be a local recurrence after all - just had the surgery today. I'll find out the full path and tx plan next week.
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Well, crap. How are we supposed to KNOW if something is fat necrosis or tumor? I've had a skin-sparing DIEP and have large areas of hardness that I've insisted be ultrasounded and MRI'ed. The reports always come back reading something like we're almost positively sure this is fat necrosis... I even tried to have one of the areas biopsied but have no confidence they actually got the specific area I wanted them to. (They expect you to tell them where you mean when you can't feel anything in a reconstructed breast!) And I suppose I'd have to have them biopsy every area of hardness, and there are many! So my choices are call it good enough and leave things alone or have all the hardness taken out and be left with a huge deficit in the reconstructed breast. I wouldn't have it filled with fat again, because I did that during my last redo and everything turned hard again, so no reason to think it wouldn't happen all over again the next time. I don't like either choice!!! I especially don't like doctors who think not knowing for sure should be fine.
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lovetosail,
So sorry to hear that yours was a recurrence. Mine was around the same timeframe - 16 months later, but I did not have chemo. the first time around.
What I tell myself, is that although it's a recurrence, it was likely just a few cells left behind during the surgery. I'd rather believe that then think that it's a new cancer . With the timing, and how long it actually takes cancer to grow, I don't think it could be anything else. Hopefully just surgery for you and maybe radiation. I did radiation after the recurrence and I did not find that to be difficult at all. Hang in there, I'll be thinking about you and praying for you.
Laura
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Thanks Laura! I did have pretty aggressive chemo the first time around, TCHx6, a year of herceptin and then was on tamoxifen when I recurred - so this is quite a persistent little beast. So you've never had any chemo at all? I didn't have a lot of trouble with chemo but I REALLY don't want to have to do it again.
It all makes me pretty sad but hearing stories like yours where it looks like you're several years out since the recurrence and doing ok (if I read your bio correctly) give me hope that I can get through this.
I haven't had any PET/CT scans at all - my onco doesn't scan for stage I and II unless they have symptoms - but now with the recurrence I'll get them - yikes - totally freaked about what they might find. For now, I am convincing myself that this is a tiny little local recurrence b/c of a few cells left behind during surgery.
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hi everybody,
i had my mx and recon in march 2011 i had ibc, now i have local reccurance on same breast, now have to have the silicone removed and the breast flattened,had chemo, rads after op, and still on herecptin, its so scary.
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@lovetosail, I did not have any chemo since my first diagnosis was DCIS and I had a bilat mx. Day after Christmas I will be 3 years out since my last diagnosis and so far all is good so there is hope that this can still be behind us. Have you had your PET scans yet? Did you ever get the Tamoxfen metabolism test done.... quite a few women find out that they do not metabolize Tamoxifen so it does them no good! I ended up having my ovaries removed and am now on Arimidex so No estrogen for me!
@lollypop59 - Where was your cancer found? Was it above the implant next to the skin or under the implant against the chest wall? or is it on the skin itself? I had my radiation treatments and did NOT have to remove my implant, but my recurrence was just under the skin. It did tighten up the skin or maybe the implant some on that side, but it's good enough and I'm glad I didn't have to have it removed.
Laura
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hi well i have four small white lumps just under the skin one of them were quite red, which is the one he done the biospy one, they are outside my breast he said the cancer cells are under the skin, i have had my cat scan and there was no spread i am going into hospital on wed for my op, and he said more treatment after not sure what yet though, also did not have the tamoxafen test done i think not sure what that is, anyway thankyou for replying, where do you actually live, i live in uk in wales. and happy you are in remission.
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i had a hysterecomy back last feb, overies has well, then diagnosed with ibc in the sep
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Hi Laura,
I was an intermediate metabolizer of tamoxifen, so hopefully it worked a little. Since finding the recurrence I had a breast MRI (clear!), PET/CT and bone scan. I find out the results of the latter scans today - I am a nervous wreck!
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Lovestosail - good luck on your pet results
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Sue -
Lovestosail - good luck on your PET results
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Sue -
Hey there, (lovetosail)
You were my DIEP partner at Dr Lipas
Soo sorry to read about your recurrence! I will be reading your posts to see how your doing!
Much love,
Laura
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Hi Sue & Laura,
I got lucky - it was just a localized recurrence - scans (PET/CT/bone/MRI) were all clear. I'll have a course of radiation and another 6 months or year or so of Herceptin, for insurance. What a relief! Thanks you guys for your support!!
Sue
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hi simdavidson, i had four nodules in the skin which were cancer cells, i had my silicone removed and the nodules, and now waiting to find out if i need further treatment, it was a local reccurance my sugeon said, al i know i will be staying on the herceptin for longer. thanks for asking.
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Wow, I had no idea there were so many of us with less than a 1% chance of recurrence going through this again! I had Hodgkins disease in 1981 treated with radiation. I was diagnosed with paget's cells in my nipple, DCIS, and a 3 MM invasive IDC in 2006. Had a mastectomy, no node involvement and immediate reconstruction. Diagnosed with Atypical lobular hyperplasia in the other breast in 2008, had second mastectomy & reconstruction. I felt a hard sore spot at the edge of my implant in the first breast. I was passed from Dr. to Dr. and finally had ultrasound and biopsy confirming cancer. Had surgery to remove growth which was under the skin andgrowing to the implant capsule. Much more cancer under my arm and six positive lymph nodes they could identify. ER/PR= HER2Neu+. I will begin chemo next week, followed by Herceptin,5 years of hormone therapy, and any radiation they feel I can tolerate since I had so much in 1981. I am told that follow up scans will be of no value since they cannot detect microscopic cells. But what about when they start to grow, couldn't they find something then, maybe when it is still at a treatable stage? I feel so helpless and frustrated, so any input from the awesome ladies on this thread will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for all you have done for me!
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Hi MimiDPL - sorry to hear of your recurrence. My onc will scan me only if I have symptoms, maybe yours is similar. Best of luck with your treatment!
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MimiDPL,
First - I'm so sorry to hear all you have been through!!! My gosh, enough is enough!
When my local recurrence was detected they did a PET scan. Even though all 5 of the lymph nodes that were removed were negative, there was one lymph node in my chest that showed up on the scan. They couldn't really confirm if it was some sort of infection, scar tissue or cancer. All subsequent scans have been clear. My Oncologist said my recurrence and chest lymph node scare put me in the "card carrying mafia"...haha (higher surveillance). I get PET scans once a year and I've had a bone scan also. Maybe after my 5 year point, we'll stop doing them? After this most recent diagnosis, did they do a PET scan to check for metastasis? I sure would want one just to make sure they have the staging correct. Typically the earlier you can find mets, the longer the survival. Maybe if that one was clean then they don't see the need for additional ones? I don't know your age, but that may have something to do with it. My doctor said the younger you are when diagnosed, the more aggressively they watch you. Typically the cancers younger gals get tend to be more aggressive. He said that if I had been 70 when diagnosed, he probably wouldn't be doing these scans. I was 41 at my first diagnosis. I'm sure all Oncologists have different views....
Take care!!
Laura
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Hi - 2 years double post mastectomy, DIEP reconstruction, horrendous 28-day stay in hospital because of infection which was not cultured until between the 2nd and 3rd week...flesh eating bacteria - necrotic tissue found.
Anyway just found 2 hard lumps on and into edge of surgical scar, and have been noticing a small rash under my breasts. I had mammograms and an untrasound - dg. benign - I am going to seek out a breast expert in the area to either take them out or biopsy them. I have known 3 people with benign tumors told to just leave them alone - and, after a while, they turn cancerous.
I am grateful for having the website to read.
Do you have any further information?
Thanks so much.
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Hi Sdarrow,
I don't know about anything benign turning into cancer, but there is not reason not to biopsy those lumps and get a final answer. My breast surgeon did that in his office. He tried to do a needle biopsy under ultrasound but it was small and hard to get. He finally just numbed up the area and basically cut next to it and plucked it out. It was very small, a couple mm, and growing right into the skin. To me, there is no sense in not knowing for sure, especially after all you have been through. Keep us posted - we'll be praying for benign!
Laura
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Hello--yes this happened to me, too. My MO said he was "shocked," mine is the first time in his career. Rare but can happen. I write more another time. I haven't figured out how to put my 6/ 2000 diagnosis in the diagnosis box, but I am still considered in remission from the first time and this is a new primary. Go figure. I am very happy that my PET scan last July showed no metastasis. Take care.
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oh my. i know this post is old, but i am in this boat now. i had cancer the first time and it did not show up on mammo or ultrasound. i insisted it come out and was put through the absolute ringer. the internet was not as full of info (in 97) and i did what they said. i have never been the same.
in 2003, i went to the "number one" cancer hospital in the 'WORLD.' (ugh). they gave me an all clear for five years. two months later, i had a routine pap and my doctor felt lumps all in my other breast (i had lumpectomy, radiation, etc. in the left after the biopsy showed bad margins (the biopsy i INSISTED upon)).
i had a double mastectomy, and have had my implants replaced 4 times because the skin would not give and the left implant would end up on my neck, shoulder, etc.
i had allerderm put in (pig skin) and it was okay for a while . . . until they rotated and traveled under both arms (i can actually push them back, but they look awful).
NOW, i have lumps in the right breast that you can see and feel and, as usual with me, they do not show up on either test! SO, I am off for a more thorough scans.
my advice to ANYONE that has an issue. i don 't care WHAT the doctor says. if you have a lump, or something suspicious, GET IT OUT AND BIOPSIED. I WOULD BE DEAD IF I DID NOT TAKE MATTERS IN MY OWN HANDS. it is azazing how they will blow you off. two cancers and all my oncologists have been doing is bloodwork. they don't even look for abnormal areas and i have not been sent for a scan since my second dx in 2003. i do my own exams and now, i am in trouble again. my newest doctor sent me imeediately for a mri. do not let them tell you to wait six months (i've seen people die in less time) -- when you have issues. THE END. i wish you well.please contact me if i can help you inj any way. (i did not spell check or proof!!! sorry!). suse.
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You can't say for certain until you get the biopsy done. There is always a chance that it's not cancer (scar tissue and creation of fatty necrosis).
I just read that the chances of a recurrence after mastectomy is currently 1%. Doesn't happen often, but you do need to still be doing breast exams for all of you gals that have had mastectomies!! I found my recurrence after my mastectomy but because I had multi-focal disease I wasn't too surprised. They can't get every single breast cell out when they do the surgery so there is always a very small chance that something could have been left behind.
Please let us know what you find out... will be praying it's not cancer this time!!
Take care,
Laura
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Can anyone describe what a recurrence lump in a TRAM flap looks/feels like? I have a raised bump in the inside rt edge of reconstructed breast. It started smaller but is now the size of a small pea. It is raised but I can tell there is density under the skin as well. It is not on a scar area but because it is inside, it is closer to the chest wall. I have no idea what a recurrence is like. I recently had a red rash w/blistering on the same breast. Urgent care/primary physician said it was a dermatitis. What is up with this? Any input would be appreciated as I am at a loss but going to seek my oncologist or a PS this week for counsel. Thanks! Donna
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Hi Donna, I sent you a private message. I recall my surgeon saying that typically cancer is a harder denser lump, and scar tissue is softer. Fatty necrosis is also a good possibility. That was what my surgeon thought I had upon examination. He was totally floored that it was IDC. How long ago was your mastectomy?
Laura -
It was in 2005 - my mx plus tram flap. My oncologist is booked and on vacation for 2 weeks so I see my internist today at 3. I will see what he wants to do. I wish I was seeing someone who was more famililar with bc. All of my bc care was done in CA and now I am in rural Maryland. This is dense but maybe it is something skin related. I will have it checked thoroughly. Here we go! Donna
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