August 2011 chemo, anyone w/ me?!

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  • Kasi
    Kasi Member Posts: 216
    edited August 2011

    Thanks guys for all your support, you are all so nice! Thank you summergirl, you are so sweet! I walked my dogs in the neighborhood this morning for the first time with just a scarf on my head. Granted it was still semi-dark but I am making strides, hahaha!

    I go in for my blood counts today. I am DRAINED and my nose does not stop running. It is SO ANNOYING!!!

    Have a great day everyone!! Smile 

  • Chava
    Chava Member Posts: 50
    edited August 2011

    Welcome LINDY, I have basically the same treatment plan as you. A/Cx4 every 2 weeks then taxol X12 weekly. I am on to my second A/C today. And I haven't had really any SE I have been taking a bunch of supplements, cut out sugar, eating lots of fruits an veggies, acupuncture twice a week to keep my immune system up and the most maybe radical is that I am fasting for 50 hours before treatment and then 6 hours after. It is suppose to protect my healthy cells and allow the chemo to just go after the bad guys. If you want more info on it I can send you a link to the study and there is board on here about fasting before chemo. I am not sure which of these things that I am doing that a making the difference but I read about all the SE that others are having and feel very blessed that I don't need to go through that (at least not yet). I will see how I do after tx 2! Hope your tx today goes smooth. It is not so bad I was a bit scared the first time and even got teary eyed in the waiting room but it doesn't hurt and I watched a movie whole time. I hope you are also SE free.

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Well, I only know how I have felt when I have seen a woman in the past wearing a scarf or wig (clearly a cancer patient) I have always felt as though I should hug her or high five her or thrust my fist up in the air ( as in the movie Billy Jack -the leading away of him by the cops) I have wanted to say "You GO , girl!!" I have never once thought ewww. Or Wow, bad hair look, what is she thinking she's doing? I have , I admit, occassionally thought, " there but for the grace of God go I...." We're fighting the big fight here, guys. We are all being incredibly e**ing brave. We've got more going on than our hair. But, still. I feel shy about going out w/ my new look ....

  • cupcakies
    cupcakies Member Posts: 71
    edited August 2011

    Hi Chava, 

    Can you send me the info on the effects of fasting? I'm curious, but am worried the pills we take afterwards would be too harsh or irritating on an empty stomach.. thanks!  

  • Chava
    Chava Member Posts: 50
    edited August 2011

    CUPCAKES,

    Here are two links about fasting. My onc said fine. But the nurse when she was administering the drugs didn't seem too happy. I drank a lot before and during the tx and I didn't feel any nausea at all during or for the two weeks following tx.

    http://www.healthiertalk.com/fasting-protects-against-chemotherapy-side-effects-0248



    Here is a link to the research by Valter Longo

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Valter+longo+cancer

    Wishing you the best of luck if you try it. Will let you know how tx 2 goes if you are interested.

    As well as the BC.org forum link. http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/768785?page=4#idx_99



  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2011

    Hi Everyone...Does everyone usually get radiation after a masectomy? I had a masectomy and one node positive and my onc said I wouldnt need radiation bec I had a  masectomy. I've been reading on here that some of you are getting radiation even though you had a masectomy. I want to make sure I'm doing all I can to make sure this monster doesnt come back!!!

  • aimska
    aimska Member Posts: 68
    edited August 2011

    Hey Lindy - just wondering if you are Her2 positive, how come they are not giving you Herceptin???

  • Kasi
    Kasi Member Posts: 216
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen - Hahahahaa! Thank you for making me feel better! I know I never think those thoughts when I see someone in a scarf but I am my own worst critic. Perhaps now is the time to let the vanity die. Or at least be less vain. ha!!!!

    Chava - Thanks for the links about fasting. I don't know that I dare to attempt it. Me without food is not good and I feel better when I am getting the infusions and I have stuff in my stomach. I am also doing acupuncture, just once a week though. I think that it is really helping me. I don't feel 100% like myself but I am functioning pretty normally without too many SEs. Seriously, the constant faucet of my nose is the only really bad thing (and bald head, lol).

    Taylor - I had a double mast and I still have to get radiation (2 positive nodes). The way the RO explained it is that the chemo is good insurance against the cancer going to distant sites but not as good in the local area. So the radiation takes care of the possibility of local recurrence. I wasn't happy about having to do the radiation but I am going with it. 

  • aimska
    aimska Member Posts: 68
    edited August 2011

    Eww Kasi, stuff tissues up your nose!  hahaah j/k 

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2011

    Interesting information about fasting although I don't think I'd dare try it. I get light headed when I don't eat so I don't think I could manage 2 days with no food!



    I'm feeling really weird today, day 4 after 2nd AC tx. Wasn't feeling nauseous this morning but then I threw up a little bit after brushing my teeth (reminded me of being pregnant...I did that every day for 4 months). Feeling okay now, but my head feels kind of fuzzy. Going to try to have a little nap this afternoon.

  • Kasi
    Kasi Member Posts: 216
    edited August 2011

    Michelle - I hope that you feel better :-(

    Thanks, Aimska, that is really great advice! LOL :-) 

  • dianamaps
    dianamaps Member Posts: 50
    edited August 2011

    Hi all.  Just finished round #2 of AC. I'm optimistic that I can get through with fewer SE this time, now that I know what to expect. Salt water/bakind soda rinses are keeping all mouth sores at bay. I've got acupunture tomorrow too, for nausea and general boosting of the immune system. 

    Learned today that Taxol is in short enough supply that they'll likely switch me to Taxotere (sp?), along with the Herceptin that I'll take once this AC is over.  Anyone else experiencing the shortage-of-chemo-drugs in the US problem?  It's a national problem right now - NYTimes article here on it.  - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/health/policy/20drug.html

     Heading off to take a nap. 

     Diana 

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Ok, do any of you ever click on an intriquing sounding  post in the "active forums"  and then come to regret it?. I am now somewhat freaking out over a 32 yr old woman <1cm mass, no nodes involved, who has a met 4cm discovered in her liver? I am assuming she had a scan of some kind. And I am freaking out, because I have not been given a single solitary scan. So, my question is : Am I the only one here who has not had a bone scan, pet scan, muga scan, etc.????

  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited August 2011

    Oh yes, I have clicked on posts and definitely wished I didn't know that!  Then you visit the doc and he tells you other stuff you hadn't thought about yet too.  This is such a fun time!! However, I did have a PET scan being HER+ I think is what swung that.  Don't freak out you can't change anything, except ask for scans and see what they say.

  • cupcakies
    cupcakies Member Posts: 71
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen, I had an MRI, PET/CT scan, you really should request it, just for peace of mind. 

    After my 2nd AC yesterday i had the worst nausea i've experienced yet. Ginger chews by Ginger People (green bag) REALLY saved me though. just having one made it instantly 10000000x better.  

    Question - does anyone exercise during treatment? Just wondering what everyone was told, if there are days to avoid, how intense workouts we can do? I read there was a report saying too high intensity may actually inhibit the efficiency of the chemo drugs. but i was wondering if we should avoid aerobic exercise all together right before and right after treatment days? Any info would be grately appreciated!! Thanks!

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen, I had a bone scan, CT scan and MUGA scan. My ONC told me they are standard screening tests that everyone gets. In fact, she was surprised the surgeon hadn't requested them before referring me to her. I'd ask about it if I were you. The tests aren't too much fun but there's some peace when results are clear.



    Cupcakies, I have been walking a half hour most days since my first chemo. Last week, I was feeling good so I got up and did some light workouts a couple of mornings. Nothing too strenuous, just some light yoga and resistance training with an exercise ball. I haven't done any aerobics yet. The University of Waterloo has a well-fit program for chemotherapy patients. I'm going to ask the ONC about it next time I go.



    Dianamaps, we had a news report last week about some chemo (and other) drug shortages here in Canada. Taxol was not on the list though. It hasn't affected my treatments yet.



    Had a little nap this afternoon and I'm feeling better now. Still have that fuzziness in my head, though.

  • Flautalee
    Flautalee Member Posts: 118
    edited August 2011

    Kasi - I totally understand where you are coming from about how upsetting it is to lose our hair. It is really hard look in the mirror. I try to think that this shows how strong the medicine is and that the medicine will help me. I lost my hair in 2000 - it took about 4 months or so for it to grow long enough to be a very short haircut. Tomorrow I start 6 rounds of Taxotere/Cytoxan (every 3 weeks) followed by radiation. I know it will be tough to lose my hair again. I will ask my husband to clean out our shower drain - last time it got all clogged up and I remember crying in another room while RotoRooter was costing me a fortune to unclog it. I will cover my mirror over maybe, too.

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Thanks for your responses, guys. I will call the office tomorrow and at least get an explanation.

    On the exercise thing, I walk the dogs once or twice a day on my 66 acres. I can vary the walk from 20 mins to 1 hr . It is up a hillside, so parts of it are a little  strenuous. I was told that exercise was good! I have gone out every day since chemo began.

  • Chava
    Chava Member Posts: 50
    edited August 2011

    Flautalee, I recommend shaving it first. I just shaved mine two days ago and this way I don't have to deal with the trauma of watching it come out. I felt like it gave me more control over my situation. My onc says it is the one side effect that always happens with a/c. Or at least maybe once you start seeing that it is falling out shave it then so you don't have to watch it. One women I met had her friends over they gave her lots of scarfs and they did her hair at the same time.....kind of a party!!! Hope it isn't as painful to watch it go.

    Cupcakes, all studies and my onc said definitely exercise it help prevent being more tired plus strong correlation between excercise and low rates of reoccurrence.
  • Justina
    Justina Member Posts: 53
    edited August 2011

    Had second AC today. They told me I have to have a port put in, not so much for the 4 AC infusions every 2weeks, but for the 12 weekly taxols. Tried doing it last week but blood count was too low, so we'll see what happens this time. My SE 's have been manageable - even from the neulasta. I hope it stays that way for this time too. I keep telling myself that I am half way through the AC. Everyone at the cancer center today told me I will lose my hair this week. I have a wig and scarves, but it still doesn't seem real. I am scared.

  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen: Yeah -- I've read those forums and then freak the heck out. I have NOT had any scans either....... I do know that my Onc said that PET scans often give out false positives and he hates using them; he was very adamant about it.  His nurse reiterated this to me as well.  I didn't have a MUGA because I would get it only if I was on Adriamycin, since it can be hard on the heart. If you look in the forum "Stage II with Lymph Node Involvement" there is some talk there that many Oncs don't give a lot of scans for Stage 1 and 2 cancers, but some do.

    I'm having a crappy day; my temp is 99.3 (Low, I know), but I feel achy and my neck and shoulder hurts. I freak out that something is wrong or that it's mets.  Cry

    My cat has been at the vet since 6am this morning, I've had no sleep and they don't know what's wrong with him, took his blood and NEVER called me all day.  The cat is still there... I'm so ticked off. He's older and has been in a cage for 12 freaking hours. 

    Then, my little Chihuahua went to the vet at 4pm. Found out he has an abcess in his anal glands as he has had diarhea since yesterday.  He has a fever and I had to leave the exam room as he was screaming in pain as they tried to express his glands. He's on pain meds and antibiotics.  It's been one craptastic day. Yell

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2011

    well after my great day yesterday  thought I was over the nasty stage , I ended up with severe pelvic pain last night , swore I was in labour (LOL) could not get comfortable no matter what I did and had it again  all day even having trouble walking , was wondering if this was from the nuelasta shot its been 5 days since I had the shot though, does this sound normal, nueorphen has helped a little.

    regarding exercise I was told exercise is actually great for you while on chemo, also read an article too which states exercise can also prevent recurrence of cancer,

    VT Ellen, although I am sure your surgeon knows exactly what he/she is doing, I think I would insist on having a scan/tests , here in Ireland it is standard procedure once diagnosed that you get complete body scan , liver ultasound and chest xrays , I remember being terrified when they told me I had to have all these tests but my surgeon said it is just routine for everyone and am glad know they did ,I am sure if you tell them you are worried they can at least explain why they are not doing them at least to give you peace of mind,

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Chrys- Yea, you and I have similar diagnoses. I feel pretty reassured since we had a 2nd opinion (of sorts) from Mayo. And, I looked up on this site about scans. Sorry about your animals. Especially, not hearing back about your cat. I hate having them at the clinic because I know that they are scared and stressed the whole time. If your cat has wierdo issues you can PM me, and i can run it by my partner. He is a vet and very good at figuring out what is going on w/ animals. I don't know what is up w/ your fever. How long has it been since you had an infusion? And why would a fever indicate mets? I love that you get at least as excited as I do about stuff. I think fevers are a SE.

    Summer Girl - could you have a UTI? That is another common SE. Get it checked out!

  • capinva
    capinva Member Posts: 138
    edited August 2011

    Went today to get the 2nd TX of A/C. My counts were too low so I wait until next week. I'm okay with this, it gives me another week of feeling good. Hope everyone can get some sleep tonight.

  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2011
    Chrys I'm praying for your cat and dog. I couldnt imagine my life without my 13yr old yorkie he's been by my side throughout all this crap...I keep thinking the summer is almost over and I didnt enjoy it one bit!! All I did this summer was wait and stress for results!! Sorry for being a pooper but my port is very uncomfortable still after 2 days and I'm scared about chemo which is coming up soon! I'm with you all about the hair coming out my biggest fear!!! My hair is what makes me...oh well..Frown
  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited August 2011

    I did have a PET scan, which showed something in my armpit where they took the lymph node.  Now of course they don't know if it's cancer, which is how it shows, or just inflammation from the surgery.  However, it was nice to know it didn't show any cancer anywhere else.

    Sorry about your rough day Chrys, and your poor cat too.  Hope it picks up for you soon.

  • MaryjRN
    MaryjRN Member Posts: 130
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen...I have had no scans, tests, etc.   Mine was labeled as a micrometastasis.  Maybe that's why.

    Dianna...I did not hear that news about Taxol.  I'm due to start that at the end of September.

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2011

    Hi everyone, I worked my longest day since my BMX today....about 9 hours. I'm exhausted!!!



    Capinva....that stinks your counts were too low but enjoy feeling good a little longer!!



    Chrys....so sorry about your pets, I hope they are going to be okay!



    VtEllen....like summergirl said, I'm sure your doctor has their reasons for not ordering the scans, i'd call and ask.... I had a whole slew of tests, in my opinion most were a pain in the you know what, but it was my oncologists way of staging me..... I had a bone scan, CT scan, MRI, Muga, lots o blood and full physical. I think that's the list?



    Summergirl....ugh on the pelvic pain, I hope that gets better ASAP!!! I'm NOT looking forward to that damn neulasta shot, it seems to have effected most of us on this board..... Which speaking of, I'm a GO for Tuesday's first infusion....my neulasta shot arrives via Fedex tomorrow sometime.



    Robo....my oncologist told me she "prefers" the use of "A" in younger women with BC.... That she considers it very effective and the only time she cuts it out is when the heart isn't strong enough??? I would prefer to not have the "red devil" but I'm going to put my faith in my onc??? It's interesting to me how every doctor seems different just a little bit? You're going to Northwestern right? I'm at Rush.....



    Taylor....I hope your port starts feeling better soon....it sounds like it's gotten a little better?? Atleast not excruciating ??? We can be terrified together this weekend....I should be sitting in the chair on Tuesday....



    Cupcakies....ginger chews? I wonder where I can find some of those, a specialty store???? I'm going to add them to my chemo supply list..... Trader Joe's maybe?



  • Ashvegas
    Ashvegas Member Posts: 5
    edited August 2011

    Flautalee

     You were right about the Kidney infection.  I'm on antibiotics though they said they may change them in a day or so if I dont improve fast enough.  The NP tapped on my kidneys with her fingers and I told her that if she did that again I was going to hit her!  I thought it was pain from the Nuelasta because I have had no burning or "wanting to go" issues at all.  2 days on antibiotics and things are better but still sore.  It was intense.  I wonder if they had not checked my urine how long that would have gone on before I was hospitalized.  I hope it gets cleared up as I go into my NADIR.  I am also hoping that round 2 is much easier since it seems like round 1 was complicated because of the infection.

     It was hot today in Asheville - I went bald.  Most people around here just think women with shaved heads are "alternative".  I dont think anyone even noticed all my pink bracelets and pins! Smile  All the men at work (I am the only woman in my line of work) think I look HOT!  I love it.

     Summer Girl - get your pain checked.  Mine went for 3 days before diagnosed as a Kidney infection.  Now I have 14 days of antibiotics.  It felt like labor and really really hurt bad.  I a fever but no other pain that you would normally associated with UTI, bladder or Kidney.  

     Now if I could just poop. 

  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    Ellen -- I don't think my fever is an indication of mets; I just get worried that every pain or headache means something is wrong. I'm just nervous about this cancer in general.  My last infusion was 8/10 -- my next one will be next Wednesday.

    Thanks all regarding my pets: the abcess for my little Nacho just popped; which is good; I hope he gets some relief soon and that the meds start to kick in. I'm still fighting the vet about my cat; it's 10pm and still nothing (they are open 24hrs). I hope they fed him at least.

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