What options if you lost your job but couldn't afford Cobra?

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I am currently still employed and under group insurance.   But I worry about lay-offs, business is not good.   My Cobra would be unaffordable (please, no comments about how I "must keep Cobra".  I simply would not be able to pay for it).   I was reading up on Medicaid, but apparently you have to be pregnant, have someone disabled living with you, or have a child.   I did not know this.   I thought they just went by income.

I would not be able to get into the special pool for pre-existing because I have not been without insurance for 6 mos.. 

So would I just have to go without until I was covered under a group plan again?   I assume I would be denied an individual plan if I were to apply.   Or it would be unaffordable as well.

I do not qualify for disability as I am only stage II and you can't have worked for 6 months, anyways. 

I would just have to be uninsured then, right?

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  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited August 2011

    You are correct in that you could not get an individual policy.  I do not know what I would do, but I would be the same as you in that I would have to wait 6 months to get into the high risk pool and it would probably cost as much or more than cobra.  Makes no sense to me.  NJ

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited August 2011

    Fearless:  I noticed that Medicaid has different programs in certain states.  For example, Maryland offers Medicaid to people with breast cancer who are 40 and up.  Why don't you google your specific state and see what special programs may be available for you with your medical condition?  You have to know that it is mainly for the poor and is strict on it's income and assets which can be allowed. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2011

    "Breast and Cervical Cancer is a Medicaid optional eligibility category for certain groups of women who are in need of treatment for breast and cervical cancer."

    Here's the link: https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidSpecialCovCond/02_BreastandCervicalCancer_PreventionandTreatment.asp

    If I understand correctly, if eligible you can stay on Medicaid as long as you are in treatment for breast cancer. I think that would include endocrine therapy.

    I'm not so sure you would be eligible for the high risk pool if you turned down cobra. At one point the feds were paying for a portion of cobra but I'm not sure if that program is going on anymore. That might have been one of the compromises with the Republicans.

    I would seriously start talking with a local office of the American Cancer Society. The social workers can fill you in on what you can do. And their help is free.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Medigal, I do not meet requirements for Medicaid in Florida, although I meet their income requirements.   I am not pregnant, do not have a child and do not live with a disabled person (must have one of the three - or be "disabled" or over 65).

    Lago, yeah, they did away with the in-part Cobra funding.   That expired awhile back and was not renewed. 

    Perhaps I will contact ACS, if I do lose my job.  At least maybe they can put me in touch with a social worker, but I really don't think there are any options in my particular situation (if I do lose my job).   Thank God I have most of my surgeries out the way, but still....anything can happen.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited August 2011

    This is an abomination to our nation that people of all ages and incomes cannot have affordable healthcare!  We should have a type of Medicare available for ALL citizens of all ages and incomes.  It would have premiums but they would be more affordable and according to what people can afford to pay.  It should be for ALL citizens who need it, working or non-workers, of all ages and especially available for PART TIME WORKERS!  Many people may not be well enough to work full time but can't work part time since they would be without insurance!  The entire system is sick, imo!  People get fired and they are stranded if they can't afford COBRA or don't find new jobs before COBRA ends!

    I have written so many times to my reps and even Pres. Obama about this situation but they all act brain-dead when it comes to taking action on our Healthcare problems.  I know they have the Debt problem and many other problems to tackle but Healthcare should be at the top of the line, imo!  I am in the midst now of trying to help a relative survive due to the Healthcare situation in our country.  I worry day and night about what will happen to her if I can't get help for her!  This is not fair for us to be in this position in a country which used to be a AAA country!  What a sick joke we are becoming as a nation.  Tomorrow if I can tackle the emergencies I already have, I intend on writing "again" to my senators and Pres. Obama about the healthcare dismal problem.  I do hope some of you reading this will also send them letters.   Have a good night.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Thank you, Medigal!   I couldn't agree more.   We are not asking for the world - just access to affordable health care.  

     If I do lose my job, I suppose I will join the 46 million uninsured in the U.S.  

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    What happens when you go to the doc w/o insurance? My understanding is that you get billed the "rack rate" (not the "network negotiated rate"). In looking at some of my medical bills, that difference can be more than the monthly premium. I've heard so many horror stories of huge medical bills that I've be very afraid to be uninsured.  Does your COBRA offer any scaled-down benefits, maybe just a "major medical" plan? I believe Medicare kicks in at age 62, in case that helps. Any other group options, like your university alumni group or any professional organizations or ???

    I hate our health insurance system.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Peggy, I don't know - I always had insurance.   It is my understanding that Cobra is the same exact coverage you had at the time you leave or are terminated.   

    Most likely, I would just go without insurance until I got a new job and was covered under their group plan (?)

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited August 2011

    Peggy - no Medicare kicks in at 65, unless you are diagnosed as "terminal," which in our case is Stage IV, when you are eligible for Medicare 18 months after diagnosis.

    Yes, that is insane. The law was written when insurance premiums weren't twice the monthly house payment (in my family's case), but the purpose was that they wanted to encourage people to stay with their own insurance, and not just go to Medicare (which is the highest growth rate program around).

    Right now, if you really cannot afford Cobra, the only other thing to do is to go without for 6 months, then sign up with your state's uninsured plan. No, these will not be cheap. But they will be affordable.

    If you get another job, you may find that they will not cover any treatment for a pre-existing condition unless you have a Certificate of Continuous Coverage from your previous insurance company. Companies used to pay for this to be waived, now, not so much.

    I don't want to get into the politics of this, but this all makes me so angry! Sometimes, it seems like big business is just targeting the last source of money in this country - our savings and Social Security.
    Damn!

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited August 2011

    Can you jump ship and find another job if you see this one coming???

    That would solve a lot of problems here.  I have no idea what you do, but in your shoes, I would be out there looking.

    I know that everyone is going to shoot me down for daring to suggest this in the current economy, but companies continue to hire.  So I would be working on my resume as opposed to waiting for the shoe to drop.

    Anyway, good luck.  If the worst happens, I think you are at the point where you can space oncologist visits out to the point where a six month gap would be doable.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2011

    Fearless_one - My husband was laid off a month prior to my diagnosis.  NICE.  Of course, he was laid off 30 days before the federal plan to either assist or reduce cobra payments.  The company covered us for 6 months and then we paid the cobra. 

    We did get an individual policy after cobra expired.  Blue Cross could not deny us under the "continuous coverage" clause.  It was actually about the same price as Cobra, so I don't know if that would help you, but I wonder if the insurance company could offer you more of a catastrophic coverage that would be cheaper, yet cover you if something serious happened.  

    Check into the continuous coverage with the insurance company, so if indeed a layoff occured perhaps you could decline Cobra, but then get catastrophic with the same insurance company and they would have to cover you due to the "continuous coverage" law.

    Hopefullly, your job is safe but I understand your concern.  

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Ladies, what if I applied for individual insurance while I still have my job and group plan?   Then if got laid off, I could forget the Cobra and keep my individual plan with no questions asked, right?

  • Mountains1day
    Mountains1day Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2011

    If you get laid off....... depending on your needs via cancer drugs and treatment, meaning if your at a stage in your cancer treatment whereas you could afford to take a 6 months "hiatus" then you could be eligible for the new www.pcip .com  in your state under the affordable act.  You would need to access all the information as the plan applies to you because some drugs/treatments are not covered. 

    Example:  If you need Zometa and as it typically is administered every 3 months, not only would you not be afforded the 6 months without coverage but more importantly, Zometa is one of the drugs not covered.  As long as you don't need anything they don't cover, it's better than nothing and it's way less expensive than Cobra.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    Fearless, I believe when you apply for a new individual policy, they do medical underwriting to determine if they'll insurance you and at what rate. When I applied for my individual policy (years ago, pre-Dx) I had to list every doc I've ever seen in my life (I'm not kidding) and they had the "right" to pull records on any/every one they wanted.  

    I'm not sure what aprilgirl meant by Blue Cross not being able to deny them due to "continuous coverage."  Perhaps it means that when their COBRA expired, that one insurance company could not deny the patient coverage? I don't know. aprilgirl1, is that what you meant?

    Can you call your state's consumer helpline for health insurance and get their educated opinion? 

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Peggy, I am confused about that as well.   Mountains, I guess I thought as long as there was continuous coverage, that they couldn't ask questions, but looks like that is not the case. 

    Well, as of today, I still have my job, but I like to research these things.   I just hope everything works out until my recon is done.   Then all I will have to worry about is cost of Arimidex, but if I have to go without that for 6 months, so be it.   Of course, hopefully it would not take me 6 mos to find another job if I had to.

  • Mountains1day
    Mountains1day Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2011

    Sorry, I meant to say the drug "Zoladex" instead of "Zometa" in my above post.  Although, I do not think either one of these drugs are covered in the new pcip plan under the so called "affordable" act.

    Fearless, I would check into if an employer let's someone go while they are in active cancer treatment, what laws could be there to protect you in terms of keeping your current coverage (not Cobra) at least until you get through recon.  It may not be advantageous for them to lay you off.  However, if the business folds and everyone loses their job, that's a different story.

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited August 2011

    Mountains1day, it appears to me thta Zoladex is available from pciplan. The web site says you can get either a 10.8 mg implant or 3.65 mg implant. Is that what you're looking for?

  • Mountains1day
    Mountains1day Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2011

    cycle-path, when I inquired about Zoladex, I was told no, it's not covered.  I could not find it listed on the web site so I called Medco, pciplan's pharmacy, and that is what I was told.  Please provide the link of the info. you have referred to, much appreciated.  Maybe each state plan varies?

    My point being, it appears that many cancer drugs may not be covered.  One would need to research this plan very carefully as it applies to what they need and what is not covered as a cancer patient.  I agree that cancer drugs are very expensive and insurance companies do not want to pay if they don't have to.  I don't like that this pciplan is touted as an affordable plan for pre existers (metastatic cancers) who may need expensive treatments and if they can't get it, what's so affordable about it than?  But, yes, better than nothing if all you need is basic coverage such as for periodic office visits, yearly mammos and a generic AI.

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited August 2011

    Mountains1day, go here: http://www.medco.com/medco/consumer/druglistdirect/entryPage.jsp?formid=00035&prefaltid=00020 and type "Zoladex."

    The way I got to the page above was by going to http://www.pciplan.com/ and clicking "Prescriptions" in the blue bar on the right. From there I clicked "Preferred Prescriptions" in the 4th paragraph. 

    For Zoladex it says "plan preferred," but I could be misinterpreting what that means. You might want to have the page up on your computer screen and try calling them again. 

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited August 2011

    Fearless -- if Arimidex is the worst of your worries, you can get the generic (anastrozole) ferom Costco for abourt $55 for a 90-day prescription.  Works for me !  Certainly better than going without for 6 months.

    I believe the "continuous coverage" only refers to moving between *group* policies, not going into individual insurance.  For sure the companies will ask questions for anyone applying for individual coverage.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    Lauri, that does make sense.  I'm sure you are right.   Actually, the worst of my worries is the cancer coming back while I have no insurance.    But I suppose I will just finish my recon as quickly as possible, hope I don't lose my job in the next month or two.   If I do, I will try to get on another group plan as quickly as possible. 

    So you can't be more than 62 days between two group policies?   Do I understand this correctly?

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited August 2011

    That's my understanding -- no break of 63 days.  COBRA counts as continuing coverage.

  • Soccermom4force
    Soccermom4force Member Posts: 631
    edited August 2011

    Am coming up on 63 days...COBRA ran out June 30..FL high risk pool has been "closed" to enrollment since 1991!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Unemployed, 6 1/2 years out from BC and they are using my RX history to set my premium at $930.00 a month...

     YUCK!

    Marcia

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited August 2011

    Marcia - I was hoping  you would come on here and tell your story! It is a disgrace that any American citizen would have to go without insurance. And even when they do have it??? The leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is due to medical bills. Ridiculous. And don't get me started on the politics of it all - both major parties are equally to blame as I don't know one of them that cares a tiny bit about their constituents. They are only concerned about their party and who is going to supply the $$ so that they can campaign for their next election. Give me a break. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2011

    soccermom4force - OMG!!!

  • Mountains1day
    Mountains1day Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2011

    cycle-path, thanks for the links.

    The affordable act's new PCIP is very confusing at best.  Some drugs listed are considered specialty drugs (anything injected/infused) are subjected to co-pays.  Although, you can't find pricing and coverage info unless your already a member and even if a drug is listed as plan preferred or non plan preferred, it doesn't mean it's covered.   A seemingly potentially very expensive and a very limited insurance plan for a sick uninsured poor person.  I know it can't be all things to all people but it makes me sick that Obama care touts this as "affordable" when it's not. 

    Is there anyone out there who has chosen this plan?  At my onc's practice, not a single person has signed up for this plan yet.  Partly due to the fact one who is in active treatment can not afford to go without insurance for 6 months. Does this make any sense?  We can do better than this!

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited August 2011

    Ladies:  Want a laugh about the PCIP Plan?  I finally found out why they stuck the "6 month clause from Hell" in it.  It seems they were concerned if they didn't that millions of citizens would cancel the plans they had and jump into the PCIP Plan due to the lower cost and it would overload the plans.  Well!   It sunk on them like all of the other BAD ideas our brilliant reps come up with.  Instead, now they are whinning that not enough people are buying into the plan!  I wrote and told them to then do what they should have done at first. Take OUT that ridiculous clause! I doubt they will tho.  Has something to do with a "vow" I think they took to act braindead once they go to Washington!

    Someone needs to come up with affordable healthcare for people who lose their jobs.  We are thankful to have COBRA for our relative but it is "not" cheap and after the first 18 months I am told "if" we need another extended period for her, it will be even higher!   Things are really a mess with out healthcare system in the US!

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    I think medicaid would be my best bet, but I would have to talk to a social worker.   The income cut-off is 2022.00 a month (gross) in my state, and I make under that.   However, I am not pregnant, have no children and am not disabled.   But surely there must be other "poor" people in my positiion who qualify?

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited August 2011

    Fearless One:  I didn't know one had to be disabled  to qualify for Medicaid.  I thought it was mainly income and asset based and was for the poor who could not afford other healthcare.  No wonder there are so mainly people who have to go to the Emergency Rooms for care!  What a horrible mess our healthcare system is in?  I do hope that social worker can help you find a way to get on it.  Best of luck!

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited August 2011

    No, you don't have to be disabled (in Fla).   That is just one of the criteria you can meet.   But you do have to be one of the following once you meet the income criteria (which I do):

    Disabled

    Blind

    Pregnant

    Child under 18

    Head of Household to one of the above.

    The only criteria I meet is the income one.   So I don't know if a social worker could help me or not.

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