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Oh how sad...I cannot imagine someone not wanting to be prayed for!!! My sister thinks it's a lot of bunk, so I just told her how pleasantly surprised she will be!!
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well, i felt a bit guilty at first, bringing the whole faith/works thing up; but i'm glad i did. we all have been self examining, it seems. Because of my bad exp. with the judgemental church i belonged to many moons ago; i tend to be VERY un vebal about my beliefs. my ex got to stay a deacon in the church, whike being found an abuser of his wife, and kids, who were blackballed. for awhile, i was "off" church, but never doubted God...
anyway; i thinkBarbe, God lovese us to LOVE HIM and show our obedience; rather than do "works" but, that may be just WHAT the scriptures are talking about when they say faith w/out works is dead...
to answer the question, eBarry; i was dxed with Hashimotos. severe symptomology. messed up from mu MS. i'm allergic to iodine, and thats in ythe meds, and synthyroid has acai in it, which causes hay fever. swells my eyes, closes my throat. been to the er 2xs now with it... im allergic to pork, also. but, might try Armour, and hope its' not enuff to cause that kinda problems. they haven't decided what to do with me. the plan was, to shrink it with meds, do a biopsy, and then, if it was cancerous, remove it. now, its' anyones guess!!!
thanks for the love and support, ya'll.
i did go on the aetheist thread. there are some ple there you'd be surprised at. i always think of the theif on the cross, and never give up on anyone... i have friends that light candles, but don't want to hear about God. i still think that verse about " without a word" or, that our actions speak louder than words can apply.. but, im an eternal optimist, as i have an unbeliever for a husband, and kids that have turned away. my prayer list is long, without even going outside my family!!! thats' why this thread means so much to me.
Meece's choice for the banner was what got me started at BCO. it was my Nana's fav. song...drew me here.........God Bless, and be well..........3jays
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3jays, wow, you've been through a lot. I love it when people are real. The legalistic leadership in that Church wronged you. It is my opinion, and experience that unfortunately some Churches are ruled by power hungery people. They abuse their congregation in twisting the Word of God to benefit themselves. It's no wonder that a lot of people are done with Church or so to say throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am so glad that your tender heart for God hung on to the truth, and you found a Church that accurately portrays the heart of God.
In regard to your thyroid problems...wow! I also have been dx with hasminto. My naturalpath put me on armour, but when they changed Armour formula about 3 summers ago, I too had a reaction to the new Armour. My Dr. then put on naturethyroid med's. I've had no problem with it. It's taken a little while to adjust the med's. I'm not sure if the thyroid med's stabling my thyroid or dealing with yeast issues that's helped me or if the two are some how connected. I've lost 25 pounds without trying. I'm 5'8" and I've did weigh a year ago 156 and now I weigh 132 pounds. My voice is clearer as having a raspy voice was my only symptomatic of hypothyroid problems (little weight..not much to talk about).
BUT...I strongly believe after much study that allergies, and autoimmune diseases such as hasminto is fungal related. My naturalpath said that my thryoid (hashiminto) disease would only worsen. In one year it went from 250 to 1100. My naturalpath said that basically my thyroid was dead...done. I couldn't live without thyroid med's. She said my autoimmune disease would continue to worsen and eventually it would effect other organs. But...last September, when I began addressing what I thought could be a yeast problem, I notice a change in the thryoid numbers. In six months my autoimmune (hasminto) numbers went from 1100 to 85, and now it is down to 45. My doctor was surprised. I notice that I have less allergies since trying to control the yeast...although I am still working on this as I believe my yeast problem was and is still in a severe state. There is so much information on this, which is very controversal. Because it has worked for me and info I've read, I believe the root cause of many of our ailments is fungal overgrowth. This is why one of my favorite threads on bco is the fungal theory on the holistic thread. If you can weed through the naysayer reactions, you may find the information impositive posts helpful.
You are right...never give up on anyone. We never know if someone final hour what is in their heart. I always hope for the best.
I pray that your children will turn back to God. Nothing means more than to know that your kids are walking with the Lord, and are safe in His arms. I will be praying for you. (((hugs))) ebarry
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where is the atheist thread found?
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Eph3:12, I haven't visited the atheist thread in awhile, and I can't find it. I thought it was in the recently dx...or had it's own thread? I don't know. Maybe the thread was deleted...who knows?
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Barbe: I've always thought that salvation is God's mercy and grace through Jesus, and good works will not please God as far as salvation goes or else grace wouldn't be grace. I found the topic interesting because of my recent thoughts and devotions.
3jays: You sure have been through a lot. Years ago, my husband and I were in a church which tried to control everyone. We fled and went by the wayside for awhile. The whole congregation ended up falling apart and a lot of people were hurt. Some are still struggling. My husband and I were able to find a safe place to worship and grow as believers, but it took awhile to even desire that.
There was a time when I didn't want prayer for my breast cancer because of the different teachings that were popular at the time. There has been a lot of "weird," teachings that I did not think was biblical and I saw people's faith decrease and not increase.
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Padiddle, I curious to what the teachings were that didn't want prayer? I can't imagine. In James it states if anyone is sick to call the elders and to pray for them. The topic faith healing is of interest to me. There are those who name it, claim it theology. I'm not sure about that ... perhaps going through the storm (sickness) is a way for us to draw closer to God, or something else. I've seen healing, but other times it seems as if God has something to say to me through sickness. My first bc journey, I felt really close to God. I didn't want anyone with me in short stay. I didn't want to entertain guest, and before going under the knife, I wanted those thoughts and moments to be with God. The second bc surgery...wasn't quite the same. Once I got into the short stay room, I was wisked into surgery so I had no time to think about anything...except interesting enough, a nurse who took me there said, "you know this is happening for a reason." I asked her if she was a Christian. She said yes. I then asked her if she was going to be in the surgical room. She said yes. I asked her then to pray that they would get all the cancer. Interesting enough it all was removed, 3 mm margins. My final pahtology report was multifcoal through out 1/4th of breast...yet they got it all. That was God showing me that he was with me when I went into surgery although I had no time to prepare my heart.
My third dx (other breast) was not as spiritual. I was confused, drugged, and I was not at rest in my spirit. I thought I could handle it because I did before, but found that afterwards, I was upset and stressed over the choices I made. I saw the difference when you trust God and when you don't...but all three times, although I was prayed over, I wasn't healed.
There were lots of lessons from being dx with bc...the biggest is God saying to me, Ok...you got by easy with early stage cancer..now wake up, and take care of your body...the body I gave you to do my will. So...I'm eating better...but still need inprovemnet in other areas
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evebarry: I hope I can say how I feel properly and not open a can of worms cuz I am totally not that way. I believe we are suppose to pray for the sick and I do. As a Christian with a disease, there are those who believe all sickness is of the devil. They will bind a spirit of cancer and loose a spirit of health. I don't see that in scripture and it makes me uncomfortable but it happens a lot. Another thing that happens is people will pray Isaiah 53:4&5 over me, and remind God that it is a promise in the atonement that we should be physically healed. Some teach that physical healing and spiritual healing is in the atonement. I did not have BC when I first believed but when I first believed the Gospel message and I knew my sins were forgiven, wouldn't my body have been physically healed then just as my sins were washed clean then? As far as faith healing, I wonder is it faith in faith, or faith in God? Last week, an older woman wanted to pray for me and she prayed against "unclean spirits making me sick." I kept quiet as to not offend her, but I totally disagreed with the notion that unclean spirits gave me BC. I do believe when the Lord comes, our corruptible body will be made into an incorruptible body. I hold dearly onto that and look forward to that promise. Some teachings just creep me out and seem to be from the imaginations of men. Jean
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Jean, I am with you 100% Sin is condemed in the flesh, Romans 8:3 b which explains Romans 7 in why our flesh is hostile to the Spirit. Our body still suffers from the sin principle, one day it will not. For that reason our body is aging...at least mine is. As Paul said our outer man is decaying, and the inner man renewed. Everyone will die no matter how much faith they have....at least their body. This is until we are raised again with new bodies at Christ return.
So in this world there is sickness, and death. The verses in Isaiah 53 to me relate to our final state...but here there shall be tribulation.
Alot of strange ideas have crept into the Church. What scares me is if people aren't healed, they may feel God doesn't love them or they don't have enough faith.
The problem comes when someone makes a doctrine on one verse, rather than look at the whole picture...or the whole of Scripture. Being mere humans, I don't think we can tell someone why they are sick. We are not God. Look at the apostle Paul who prayed three times for an illness and God said that grace was sufficient. It was his cross to bear.
We make ourselves sick by a poor diet, lack of exercise, putting ourselves in risky situation or it just happens. We can't blame everything on God or the devil.
To add here...I do recall someone, a friend, who said that I did not have cancer. I must reject that idea. Just believe and it is gone that it is not allowed in a Christian. I too ignored it as being totally unrealistic. I don't like to cause trouble either, but for those who question their faith as a result of such teaching felt like I should write it.
With all that said, I do believe that God can heal.
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evebarry-yes He can. But we certainly can't dictate how or who that be done to. Intercessory prayer to bring a situation to His attention is wonderful & to pray God's Will in any situation, but especially an illness or injury is really the only way to go as far as I know. I have "seen" healings before-not instaneous "Get up and walk" kinda healings, but one was a small child in my church about 12 yrs ago that was diagnosed with tumors on her innards (after all this time I don't remember which ones specifically but she was not supposed to get well). We had a prayer circle one day after service and the elders annointed her with oil (bear in mind this is NOT something this church did regularly-at that time I'd been going there approx 10 yrs & had never seen anything like this) There was a doctor appointment later that week & the scans showed ALL the tumors GONE! It was goose bumpy, hair standing on end time for me I must say, but incredibly awesome. That family moved away, but I've heard thru the grapevine that the little girl is a sassy-mouthed healthy teen now. Praise the Lord.
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Eph...I agree with you
God heals, but sometimes it seems as if for whatever reason God choose not to. Most people aren't raised to heaven like Enoch & Elijah...most people get sick and die. But, in life there are times when God choose to heal people. I've seen many instaneous healings. Once while camping, a friend accidently poured boiling soup over my ten year old daughters leg. My daughter was going into shock. Her leg was bright red. My friend said I needed to rush her to the ER. She looked as if she was passing out. I said to my friends, let's pray. While praying she looked up and said it didn't hurt anymore. Her leg no longer looked red. Her burn was gone and there is no scar. I believe in miracles. And there are times when God allows us to walk through the valley of death.
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I know God heals. We had a visiting minister come to our church he know nothing about me and told me I was going to be alright. I still had chemo and all the rest of the things. But I am now cancer free. Sometimes he does things for us to slow down. We just need to trust God and know he know's what is best for us.
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The testimonies of healing that were mentioned here were wonderful! I do believe in healing. I just don't agree with a lot of the teaching out there about healing. The positive confession teaching that evebarry mentions is another one of those teachings that I don't see in scripture. If you can't confess your sick, how do you pray for healing? None of that makes sense to me. Another popular saying I hear people say lately is that they "know they are healed but it hasn't manifested in their body yet." What is that about? Has anyone heard that yet? I'd like to end my comment with a positive as we were also talking about works. 1 Peter 1:13 (NIV) "Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed." God bless you all this night. Jean
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thanks ladies, we've been doing some heavy duty thinking, and testimonies lately!!! Jean.. i agree with you...casting out the demon of cancer or..whatever may work for some, but it hasn't for me.. i was prayed over many times, yrs ago for my MS: i still have it. and yes, for awhile i was told i didn't have enough faith, thats' why i wasn't healed.. i reject that thought..
One of my heroes is Joni Tada Erickson..you guys may know of her. she's quadrapelegic, paints christmas cards with her feet... i have both her books, and have finally resolved the issue; God CAN do instantaneous healings, and He does, as some of you said. then, other times, He works thru drs., medicines, a lot. i just know He is the Alpha and the Omega.. He has the last word when it comes to my health... im praying he'll send the right dr. to me now for my thyroid. we're searching a lot of places. one thing we're talking about is thylor..have you heard of it EBarry? we're just continuing on synthyroid, but minute doses, cause the fillers are killing my eyes, causing hay fever. the use acai for a binder in it, and its' considered a main source of ragweed. not the berries, the plant.
i also have a problem chronic with fungals.. not a surprise there. most of the problems ive had with MRSA we traced to fungals. in a pm, id love you to tell me what your doing for the yeast; if you could... just click on my avatar, it'll send you to my home. leave a message. thanks....
this has been a really positive experience for me. Doctrine between us may be different; but thats' not at all what matters. its man made. that we recognize the finished work at Calvary is whats' important.... night, and God Bless you all for your posts.........3jays
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Good comment lynnea....we just need to trust God and know He know's what is best for us. One thing I've learned in my spiritual journey is that there are no forumlas to how God works. It's about trusting HIm to do what's best for us. My story or journey might look a little different than someone's else's journey, and for this reason we can't spiritually compare ourself to another. I can't say to you or anyone, God did it this way for me so you must do exactly as it happened to me to get the same results. Not so. God doesn't make copies...we are all unique.
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Jean, I know what you are talking about. Like I said this one friend said to me that I only have cancer because I agree with my doctor that I have cancer. I must reject that thought. God works through doctors as well. Many great testimonies of God has happened through those who went to doctors. Have you ever seen the movies "It's a Miracle?" There was one wonderful story of a young boy who had brain cancer that asked for cards. People sent cards to him from all over the world. It gave the boy the faith and hope that he would make it. When they went to remove the cancer there was nothing there put a small tumor that looked like a pearl. The boy recovered without further problems. The miracle is that through his cancer the world saw the love and faith of this young Christian boy and all those who sent cards who said they were praying for him. If he hadn't gone to the doctor, the surgery, they wouldn't had seened the miracle of the pearl.
3 jays, I will pm you in regard to what I am doing for my fungal probelm. I am praying for you.
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My surgeon had a sign in his office:
God does all the work, but I get all the credit.
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Hi ladies I had my simulation for radiation today and my tattoos also. I next appt is Aug 31 and I start for real on Sept. 1. I can't wait to get this all started and done. and that take a vacation some were warm and nice maybe Florida. My daughter wants to go to Harry Potter World and I would like to see it to. See had been there for me and would like to do something fun.
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i'll be praying with you, Lynneia. its a long road, but so worth it..i didn't do rads, but lots and lots of chemo. i made it. you will too. Hi is good..Barbe, that sign would increase my faith in your dr. no question.. gonna send you a pm look for it.. .......3jays
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Good discussion ladies! We serve a great and mighty God! I too had some "crisis" in my faith a long time ago as I felt like a failure because I didn't have enough faith for a situation. Thank goodness God doesn't have to rely on me to do something
I heard someone once say in tough circumstances fear is normal, the thing is to not let it be king!Lynniea ~ praying for you!
Meece ~ How did Dysneyland go and how is little patch?
Barbe ~ hahaha! Love it!
Have a wonderful day! I'm headed home tomorrow and cant wait to see my family!
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Thanks ladies for the prayer. God has been very good to me I love him much. Had church yesterday and had a great blessing. He is sure good to us when we need him. Keep me in prayer thanks.
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3jays...no PM yet....??!!
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Barbe, sorry, crs.. it was imp; and i was gonna send it in a pm not to bore everyone.. now, its' gone!!! if i remember, i'll send it right away... thanks for the aust. letter in the email.. a hoot!......3jays
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Wanting to share what I was reading this morning: John 17:20-26. Jesus was praying for all believers. What stuck out to me was verse 21 "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me." It's such a blessing that Jesus would stop and pray for his disciples and all the people who would believe through their message before he went to the cross. Even in my struggles, I can be assured that Jesus is interceeding. That touches my heart so much. The end of verse 26 says "I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." Amen to that. Jean
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Thanks Jean! I'll offer up a double Amen!
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God is Good in all circumstances, , I was in my healthy little zumba world, teaching at the gym, eating good, going to church on Sundays, but my heart was far from Him. My personal devotions and time alone with Him had gone by the way side. Getting diagnosed with BC brought me back to a close intimate walk with Him. I am sad it took this life altering thing to come back to Him, but I am so glad I did. Priorities get mixed up in life. I had family first exercise second, and God down the list some where. Praise God he never leaves us,it is always us who leave Him.
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Wow! What a great discussion that has been going on. I have been off in my own little world this past week, and it has taken some time to catch up on this thread!
On Friday we went to Disneyland with Patch and his Mommy and Daddy and Matt. We had a great time, but had planned on starting for hom around 6 pm. We were so enjoying everything that we didn't arrive home until 3:00 am! DH and I brought Patch home with us so the kids could celebrate their 5th anniversary at Magic Mountain (Not a place for little ones, or us old folk). It was an awakening to take care of a 9 week old who decided to wake at 4:30 and again at 7:30. Not much sleep for Grandma. I had a wonderful time though. We took him to my parents to meet Great Nana and Great Papa. They cried.
His parents came home around 6:30 but we were on the go with them the rest of the weekend. They stayed through Monday so we are thoroughly worn out. What a blessing has come into our lives with that little one!
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In response to the topic which has been going on.
I have mentioned it here before, but for those of you who are new and by the way WELCOME, I will repeat it. I believe that God allowed me to have BC. I think he wanted to shake me into action. I had been living with a physically, verbally and emotionally abussive husband for over 20 years. My hope was to hold on until the kids were out of the house. Many times when the fist wasn't turned on me, it was turned on the home and things were smashed. It made for a shakey home for the boys and I to say the least.
I had been trying to figure out an escape route when I found the lump. After years of dragging my feet because I didn't think I could make it on my own, I came to the realization that God will provide and He did not want to see me in that situation. I also knew that if I stayed, I would most likely succomb to the BC because my husband at that time had little to no compassion and his outlooks was "life doesn't go away because you're sick, so get to work". That would me no rest and recouperation so I moved forward quickly.
I found a part time job, my parents had a tiny rental for me and the boys to move into and we set out on our own. No, not on our own, we set out with Our Father. I missed 2 days of work during the whole ordeal. One for surgery on a Friday and one day the nausea was just too much for me to handle at work. I missed 1/2 days for chemo, and I did all my rads during lunch hour. And I attended church and Christian activities and found a wonderful Christian man who would eventually become my husband.
I don't think God wass punishing me with BC. I think He was using it to get me to a better place where I could focus more on him than in my daily survival mode I had been living in. He healed me by guiding the hands and minds of my drs. and health care providers and He led me to this place where I can share with and support others going through the same things.
Our God is an AWESOME GOD!!!!
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Four Generations.
(I do have hair, just pulled back tight in a bun)
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thanks Meece, i've heard parts of the story, but not altogether. its' an inspiration to all.
i had similair problems, answered them differently, and got bc much later. Still, it all works the way God has for each of us, if we are His own... i love the picture...patch is wonderful!!!.........3jays
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