Confsed! Chemo Treatment Or Not??

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Hi, 

Just spoke to the onacologist:

Not enough micro invasive cancer to test for HER2. They tested the non-invasive tissue and that was Negative for HER2...so she said a very high chance that the micro inavasive would have been Negative too-but not guaranteed .

Lymph nodes were clean.

 ER-Neg & PR-Neg

High Grade camedo type DCIS w/ 2 less than 1 mm micro-invasions. I had a partial masectomy. 7-1- 11 1st surgery. To clean up a margin I had a 2nd surgery on 7-29-11.

Tumor size just under 6 cm.

 She said my case is not clear cut.

Dr. said according to the Cancer Medical Bla Bla, (forget the name she said), no chemo treatment recommended. Radiation recommended.

 Then she went on to say the short duration chemo was up to me...if I want to feel like I am doing something...but I must weigh the small amount of "possible" benefit against the serious effects of the chemo.....SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO W/ THIS??

 Help I am no expert..I have been tossed into this world of cancer and I am supposed to decide on chemo or not?? Talk about being in a boat w/out a paddle.....HELP!

Also what is an onco #? I was not told one.

Thank you in advance!

NYruralrider

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  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited August 2011

    Hi NYruralrider,  Has your doctor tested your tumor for the Oncotype score? It can help give more information on the % benefit for chemo. And I believe they now do it on hormone negative tumors too. Also he could use Adjuvent on line to calculate your actual % benefit from chemo. You want the actual percent benefit as this would consider side effects of treatment. Ask him for this % if he has not provided yet.

    It seems from above you mostly had non invasive tumor, which is good and no nodes, also good. and a  mastectomy. Chemo is a hard decision, but these two tests help determine your actual percent benefit from it.  I assume, but only guessing your Onco is saying not clear cut as often women with DCIS and small amount of invasive tumor and no node involvement with mastactomy would not need chemo. But you are negatgive for hormones which takes away benefit of one treatment option which is hormone therapy.   

    If possible, you may also want to consider another opinion or 2 , just to see what other oncologist suggest for your best treatment plan for your type of cancer.

    Good luck to you. I am sure other ladies will be along soon to offer their suggestions.

  • calamtykel
    calamtykel Member Posts: 1,187
    edited August 2011

    Are you ER PR negative-are you sure?  If so, I thought that always received a form of chemo, regardless of Her2 status especially with a 6cm tumor (did you mean 6mm?)  Because even with Her2-, that would be triple negative and is an aggressive form. Her2+ gets a different chemo (herceptin) so if there isn't enough to test for that, you wouldn't get that anyway. 

    something you might want to do is to consult a second oncologist.  I did that - I spoke with the Chief of Oncologly for a major cancer treatment hospital in our area.  It made me feel better - pretty much he recommended the same course of action that my doctor in our little cancer center here did.  

    Part of the sucki-ness of cancer is having to make decisions and then living with them.  But I think speaking with a second doctor might help you with peace of mind whatever you decide!  Ask for statistics - they should have those!

    Have you done "Lifemath.net" ?  You can plug in your tumor size, grade, etc.  Select "treatment calculator" when you get there - it will give you curves with and without treatment. 

  • mommichelle
    mommichelle Member Posts: 191
    edited August 2011

    I had a very large DCIS tumor too with about 4mm of invasive cancer.  I was told by two oncologists no chemo, 1 oncologist said yes to the chemo.  My cancer was HER2+ so I knew I wanted the herceptin.  I chose to do the chemo.  I was told by one of the oncologists after making the decision that he fells standard of treatment for a case like me might eventually be chemo even though it is not currently recoommended.  I also was 36 with two small kids.  I knew I wanted to be as agressive as possible.  I want to be here as long as possible.  You need to get a second (or even third) opinion and then make a decision you can live with and plan on living with it for a long time...at least another 50 years ;)

  • NYruralrider
    NYruralrider Member Posts: 41
    edited August 2011

    Thank you everyone. No I did not get an onotype score.

    I had a partial masectomy.

    The tumor which was invisible and could not be felt was just under 6...I thought cm was ther term used...it was considered large...

    Yes I am ER PR negative.

    Not HER2 with the non invasive tissue being tested.

    I just did the Cancermath.net...the grade I put unknown because it did not have high grade as a choice.

    Then it had this comment in red, I had 0 nodes affected...: : The tumor size and/or number of positive nodes entered exceeds the values against which the calculator has been validated, 50mm and 10 nodes respectively.

    The calculator wants me to select the treatment ...I have no clue....Undecided

     I see a general onacologist for a second opinion this afternoon.

    UPDATE: My surgeons office just called back.

    Size was 5.7 CM

    Triple negative

    Do not usually run the test for onco type score on this cancer

    DCIS garde lll

     2 nodes taken and both clean..one was the sentinal node.

    Thank you!

    NYruralrider

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2011

    I would encourage you to get a second opinion, preferably from an NCI-designated comprehensive cancer center.  I think either MSK or JH (not sure which) will do one over the phone after you provide them with all of your records.

    You may be in such a gray area that they the decision re. chemo will still be left up to you.  However, because of their size and the number of bc cases they see each year, they may have more first-hand experience with situations like yours than a local oncologist, which is what I'm assuming you've seen based on your screen name.

    Here's a list of NCI-designated cancer centers:  http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/map-cancer-centers.html

    I'd definitely start by calling the closest one, and try to get more input to help with this decision.

    Good luck!    Deanna 

  • NYruralrider
    NYruralrider Member Posts: 41
    edited August 2011

    Had my 2nd opinion this afternoon and chemo was not even an option w/her.

    I am triple negative and all they can do for me is radiation and genetic testing.

    If the genetic testing is positive then I should consider a double masectomy and ovary removal...wow what a way to spend my birthdayEmbarassed

    The onacologist did say only 10 to 15% of all breast cancer is the kind I have.....

    NYruralrider

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited August 2011

    Dear NYruralrider - there is a triple negative thread here on the boards. I am sure a lot of ladies can chime in andshare their experience and treatment plans. I assume she is offering no chemo do to the majority DCIS and little micro invasive? Either way- I'd encourage another opinion. It's worth your time and effort to feel like you have the right tx plan for our type of cancer.

    Good luck.

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