August 2011 chemo, anyone w/ me?!

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  • MaryjRN
    MaryjRN Member Posts: 130
    edited August 2011

    Truenorth...Welcome!  And what a wonderful hairdresser you have.  It's people like that (angels) that are making this bc more tolerable.  Sorry to read that you had an infection complication. I also had 1 node test positive.  I have never thought about not doing the chemo with my positive node.  Different parts of the country have different treatment plans; you'll find that as you cruise around the bco forums. You are NOT being a baby.  All of us undergoing chemo are apprehensive, but you have locked into a great group here, and I think we are a big support to each other.

    Koal...I take my steroid in the am.  Maybe that would help.  Good luck at your chemo.  You'll probably sleep when you get home.

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited August 2011

    VtEllen - Nobody has said anything at all to me about the Neulasta shot, so I have no idea whether or not I'll get one. Still sleepy, and a little achy, scratchy throat this morning, but I think I'll probably put a few hours into work today. Maybe. (It's really only a matter of spinning my chair around to my other desk). I'm on day 6 since my treatment.Stomach not quite "right."

    Am I the only one that didn't get chemo "training." I just walked in and got an IV. But hey, my cancer center gives you a lunch menu to chose from just like you are an inpatient. It wasn't bad! 

    TrueNorth - I've got a book my hospital gave me, The Breast Cancer Treatment Book, by Judy Kneece. It's been very helpful. It explains who would benefit from the Oncotype DX, - State I and II cancer, ER +, little or no lymph node involvement and HER2 negative. The results from that fell in the intermediate range, so yes, I made the choice to do chemo. It wasn't dictated, but offered as an option. My doc described it as purchasing extra insurance that this can't come back, so I bought in! 

    Chrys - Lets meet somewhere in NY when this is all over for cosmos and wine! I've got a small bottle of chardonnay in my fridge. Waiting. 

    Have a great day everybody! I hope it's as nice where you all are as it is here in southern Vermont this morning!

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2011

    Welcome justme and truenorth....so sorry you have to go through this too, but welcome!!!



    Summergirl....what an interesting reaction?? But what a great distraction for all of you.... I haven't had any hysterical laughing bouts in a long time....I hope I have that s/e too! :)



    Kasi....how you doing with saying goodbye to your hair? Are you holding up ok?



    Maryj....two down!!! YAY! I hope the s/e's stay away.... Are you doing 4 dd AC and than 4 Taxol? My T is taxotere....boo!



    Anyone know why taxotere is given WITH the a/c and than taxol is separate??? What's the difference in them?



    Mommyx2....YAY for making it through the first one....I'm increasingly becoming terrified as my date approaches. I know I can do it, it's just the anxiety beforehand that is terrible. I have cut about 6 inches off my hair and probably should cut another 3-4 before I start....I'm not sure it's going to help me with the transition but I'm going to try??



    Koalakid.....do you have chemo today? Good luck if so....NO s/e's!!!



    Chrys...you know what's weird, my onc put me on NO restrictions for food or drink??? I see you want a cosmo (YUM by the way!) and my onc said I could "drink in moderation" I doubt I really will but it's just so strange how every doctor is different??? The only thing I was told NOT to eat is sushi.



    Robyn...glad to hear you are feeling better now, sounds like you had a rough go of it. :( I'm not looking forward to the neulasta shot at all....the pains sound terrible. I'm still waiting to hear if my insurance will let us bring it home to self administer.



    michelle...sounds like you had fun with the wigs, I'm still waiting on one I ordered online to even ship??? It seems like it's taking forever?



    VtEllen....how ya feeling??? Still on house arrest with the WBC counts?



    Hi to everyone else....I need to go back like 2 pages to catch up with everyone's happenings, I was only gone one night. My stepson is officially at his college, it was so emotional for all of us. And it's so weird without him here and it's been one night? My 8dd sobbed when we said our goodbyes, she absolutely adores her big brother! And I am having a hard time knowing the next time he sees me I'll be knee deep into chemo. :( Sigh....



    Everyone try and have wonderful days!!!!! I'm off to my PS for a dreaded fill, they really hurt lately.... Not looking forward to the pain today.

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2011

    Oh, and I have to go drop off my prescriptions today....I can only imagine how much all these will cost me....my co-pays, prescriptions and incidentals (parking, meals on the run, gas for the car, etc) are kicking my budgets butt.... I save every receipt in hopes there's some kind of deduction in our income taxes this year....seriously, I think we are spending an extra 300-400 bucks a month on cancer. :(

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2011

    Robyn, I didn't get chemo training either. The hospital gave me a DVD to watch that went through the whole process, and I had a meeting with a pharmacist to go over all the meds, but that was it.

    Madismommy, ...no SUSHI???? I love SUSH!!!! Were they specific about why? I don't eat the raw fish kind of sushi...I usually sick to vegeterian. I can't imagine why rice and raw veggies would be an issue.

    I'm feeling a bit anxious this morning. I logged onto the hospital website to confirm my appointment time for tomorrow and noticed that they've changed my chemo time for Monday. They've booked me again for pharmacy teaching, and have extended the chemo time for an hour. I'm worried this means they're making a change based on something they saw on one of my scans. I guess I'll find out tomorrow but it's hard not to worry!

  • my4pumpkins
    my4pumpkins Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2011

    Hi everyone,

    I am a little late to this party. I have been following along so far. I started TCH chemo on August 11th. Had the horrible neulasta shot on the 12th. I felt like I had the plague for about 3 days from the shot (I think). I still feel pretty bad, like regular flu now. I had constipation and now diarrhea. I am going to see my Onc this morning. I am just feeling very despondent and sad, crying a lot. Not my normal self. I have 4 kids ages 17-10, on top of feeling like garbage, I have all this maternal guilt on top of it. I have been in bed for a week. I work as an RN and have no idea how I will work during this process. I hate the way I sound, even to myself! I was sure I was going to be tough and have a much easier time than I am having.



    Just thought I would jump in and hopefully feel not as alone through this ordeal. BTW, my husband is amazing, completely supportive, but I feel like I have been dumping so much on him. Thanks for listening to my pathetic tale of woe!

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2011

    Michelle, they said the excess of bacteria that could be lurking in sushi....I'm assuming that's the raw kind which YUCK!!! Although, I've never been a big sushi fan anyways?



    I had "chemo training" but it wasn't what I expected at all....it was me and DH, in a consult room with the nurse practitioner and a student from the university....and we read through a binder together. I got to bring the binder home.....with phone numbers, a chart for taking all my meds and a s/e chart.... And than all my prescriptions to go fill. It took about an hour.... I didn't really learn much that I hadn't already gotten from this thread....

  • zanoza
    zanoza Member Posts: 40
    edited August 2011
    Chrys23 - re:swimming in a pool I was told that you can swim in your private pool but preferably stay away from the public one because of germs. Everything depends on your WBC counts but better be safe than sorryWink
  • Kasi
    Kasi Member Posts: 216
    edited August 2011

    Mommyx2 - I did NOT cut my very long hair first and I am now wishing that I had. I am in the "shedding" phase right now and it's VERY annoying to have long hairs all over the place.

    Truenorth - I didn't really have a choice about the chemo in terms of my treatment plan. They said "You're getting chemo." Obviously I didn't have to do it and I did think about not doing it. But I'm only 31 and am in otherwise good health so I want to do everything I can to extend my life. For me, the side effects did not outweigh the benefits. And if the cancer came back and I had refused chemo, I would have wished that I'd done it.

    Lele - Thanks for popping in, nice to hear what other people have experienced. I will be having 4 rounds of Taxol after the AC and I am worried about neuropathy.

    Summergirl - That is hilarious! Laughing is good anyway :-) I have my 2nd treatment today, will be thinking about you :-) Good luck!

    Koalakid- #2 for me today too! Good luck! 

    Capinva & Chrys - Glad you're feeling a little bit better!

    Hi to everyone else, I hope you're all feeling good today!! :-) 

    tldrose - Keep us posted on how the Taxol goes, I start that on September 29th. 

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2011

    Hi my4pumpkins.... Welcome!!! So sorry you felt so bad after your first tx.... That darn neulasta shot, I think I'm dreading it more than the actual chemo cocktail??? I get the maternal guilt as well... It's hard to put off the needs of the kids because we feel so tired physically..... We just need to keep telling ourselves this is temporary!!!!! And it sounds like your DH is very supportive and helpful so that's good! I hope you start to bounce back soon!!!! I'm going to try to work through treatments too, I hope I can manage....I'm hoping it's a distraction for me! Hugs to you.....



    Summergirl....good luck today, kick some cancer booty!!!!!

  • aimska
    aimska Member Posts: 68
    edited August 2011

    truenorth - I wasn't really given a choice, but if the recommendation is that you do chemo, I would do chemo!  hhahaha .. why take the risk when you can do everything in your power to stop it NOW.  :).  The SEs for me have been pretty minimal I'd have to say, but everyone is soo different.  I feel really really tired, like I have no life in me, unmotivated, hot, thirsty, no nausea, constipated or diarrhea, that's about it!  I know it's different for everyone. 

    I didn't cut my hair before it came out.. the reason being because I got a wig that was long like my hair, so it would look weird if I cut it short and then it was long again.

    Good luck to all the ladies having chemo today!!!  xoxo

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Michelle, could it be that your blood counts aren't where they should be, that's why the delay? Mine were still low yesterday, and if they aren't up by the 29th (next treatment) they will have to delay it a week.

    Sushi and the pool sound like things to avoid, I would not want to be in a public pool right now. I have had a pool and it is tricky to stay on top of the water quality, esp. now when it is so warm out. I was told to avoid isolated soy protein (ER+), and raw berries because I am neutropenic.

    Madismommy- I have mixed feelings about my daughter going back to college. She will drive herself (through the Adirondacks- no cell phone signal going on the whole beautiful waySurprised) on sunday . She is wrinkling her nose and covering her eyes at my impending baldness. Plus, it will be good to have her away and happy at her beloved college while I am getting my treatments. It would be tough for her to see me feeling weak. But, I will of course miss her like crazy - so is soooo full of life!

    Robyn- yes, still sticking close to home. Afraid of everyone's cooties. I love my home fortunately. Scott and I take little road trips so I can at least see the world.

    Kasi- I can't touch my hair, it is soo barely holding on. It is so curly that I don't brush it, just rearrange a little w/ my finger tips. think that helps to slow down the process. but, I keep threatening to just cut it and get it over with!

    My chemo training was pretty thorough. Met one on one w/ the head chemo diva, talked about SEs, the process of chemo, got handouts to take home.

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2011

    Madismommy, don't sweat too much about the Neulasta. I can honestly say I have had NO noticeable side effects from the shot.



    Aimska, I couldn't agree more with your outlook on chemo. We only get one shot at this (especially in my case being triple negative) so we need to throw everything we can at it!



    vtEllen, they haven't changed the date of my next treatment, just made it longer. The more I think about this, I think the change in the length of my appointment may be a result of the clinical trial I signed up for (Denosumab). The nurse did say last time they'd administer the study drug at my next appointment. Guess I'll find out tomorrow!

  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited August 2011

    Hmm, I don't think I had any training at all.  I met with the onc one day, he siad this is what we're going to do and we'll start next week.  I had my port fitted and all the other tests squeezed in to the last few days.  Everything I know I learnt on here.  Being HER+ I guess I didn't have a choice either.

    I'm getting the tingling in my fingers and feet already, after 1 tx so am a bit freaked out if this only gets worse as they go on. Any tips for this? I am on day 8 now. 8/31 is my next tx day - my wedding anniversary!!  fun way to spend the day.

    Hope you all have a good day.

  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    Grimbol -- we are on the same schedule! My next tx is 8/31 as well. I want to quit! I'm also getting tingling in my legs, hands and fingers too.  Looks like you and I have the same s/e's as well. I hate to say this, but I'm glad, because I feel alone in that everyone else seems to feel 'ok'.

    Robyn: Yes! We should meet and drink until the sun comes up LOL

    My Onc did say I could have an occassional glass of wine, but I don't think I'll do it. I'm already having s/e's from chemo and don't want to add alcohol in the mix. It's going to be a loooong couple of weeks without my nice glass of wine  or my Cosmo Undecided

    I had a one-on-one chemo call with my Oncology Nurse, which was pretty thorough. She also sent all my scripts for meds and literature via mail.  I'm glad it was one one one -- I was armed with a ton of questions and I was able to ask her in the privacy of my home and not feel rushed. She also gave me a brief once-over at my 1st chemo session.

    Question -- do you ladies have an open infusion room or do you have private rooms? One aspect I like of my center is that all the rooms are private, so you are not seeing others. I have my own room with TV, open window, magazines, etc. It's very comforting.

    Last night I felt tired and flushed. My temp went up to 99.8, and I just rested in bed. I did wake up at 1am all sweaty, so I took a Tylenol. Thankfully, as of now, I have no sleep issues as I treasure my sleep.  My temp is back to normal today and I'm having residual, very minor, aches and twinges. I hope I continue to feel a little better.  Oh, and my Neulasta shots came via UPS this morning. Popped those suckers in the fridge until I have to use them on Sept. 1st. 

    Welcome to all the new ladies -- this is a great group!

    Best wishes to everyone today!

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Grimbol - I had tingling and burning in my hands, but it is letting up. It lasted about a week or so. Michelle- what is your trial, what do you know about the drug?  Very brave of you to sign on for another treatment. How long will the treatment last. Mine was about 31/2 hours. My sister's treatment for Hodgkin's went on for 8hrs every 2 weeks. Yuck.

  • Dogmom
    Dogmom Member Posts: 14
    edited August 2011

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I too am not getting the neulasta shot. The nurse was kind of surprised about that. I haven't had any major side effects from my first TCH and also not from my Herceptin, yesterday.  Tiredness has been the biggest issue and not been that bad.  I've been feeling pretty good for the last couple of days. The only training I was given was a silly DVD. I had already read the info so it was nothing I didn't already know.

    I cut my hair short preparing for this, but haven't started losing any hair yet. Only 8 days in so expecting a lot of changes.

    I had clear margins but my Doctor gave me the stats and said because of my age would recommend this regiment. It went for almost 50 percent chance down to less than 20 percent. When  asked what he would want his wife to do, he told me, this! So here I am. He was my mother's Ocon 10yrs ago when she was diagnosed. She is still doing great and cancerfree.

    I hope everyone is hanging in there. We are gonna get through this and move on to bigger and better things!

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen, the trial I'm in is for a drug called Denosumab. It's a bone building drug that is used with Osteoporosis patients. The trial is being done to determine its effect on preventing bone mets in early stage cancer patients. The drug is administered once a month for 6 months and then once every three months for 4 1/2 years.

    I signed up for the trial for several reasons: 

    • Being triple negative I don't have any other treatment options post chemo/rads. I'm in for anything that may help prevent recurrence/mets.
    • As a trial participant, I will have yearly bone/CT scans for 5 years in addition to the regular mammo/US. I thought the additional monitoring was a good thing.
    • My dad had severe osteoporosis so bone health issues are of interest to me.

    It is a double-blind trial so I won't know if I'm getting the actual drug or the placebo.

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2011

    YAHOO  made it through first TX of TC without a hitch, feel exactly like  I did when I went in this morning, so far so good, I know its early days but was happy I had no reactions , didnt experience any metal taste either form the cytoxin, and the nurses were lovely and made me feel at ease. wasnt nervous at all, so glad to have round 1 over , hoping to not have too many SE's go for my nuelasta shot 2mrw , and have claritin ready so hope that helps. 

    Truenorth : welcome !!!!  we are all very nervous especially before first tx ,but we will get through it with each others support . 

    And hope everyone else is doing good and not having a hard time with their SE's xx

  • my4pumpkins
    my4pumpkins Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2011

    Madismommy,

    Thanks for the welcome! I just left oncs office and am feeling a little better. Turns out I have a UTI and thrush (gross). So I guess that helps explain some of the issues. My onc was pretty positive she would be able to tweak the treatment and meds a little so that next time it will be a little easier.

    I learned that the neulasta dose is standard 6mg for everyone. Same for a 250 lb person or a 100 lb person. So it may have been a dose that was too much for my body to handle.



    Hope everyone else is doing well!

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

    Carol - You did it, you sound very relieved! Do you have steroids to take for a couple of days? Also, I would suggest starting w/ the anti nausea meds right off, just to be on the safe side. But, that's maybe just me, I was terrified of getting sick. So glad for you that the agonizing wait is over!

    Michelle - your trial drug makes good sense, hope that it goes well for you.

    Dogmom- yea, my onc's office seems to treat Neulastra (sp?) as a last resort. I guess they are into making antibodies the old fashioned way or something!

  • justme1
    justme1 Member Posts: 223
    edited August 2011

    i had the Neulasta shot and the next day i was sore to the touch waist up but i took claritin and it seemed to help .Just a couple days of soreness and it was gone.I got joint pains but tylenol helped alot.My white blood count was so low i would hate to know what it would of got to without it.Now on taxol i dont have to take it any more.

  • justme1
    justme1 Member Posts: 223
    edited August 2011

    When my hair started falling out I had my husband cut it super short he buzzed it. Then it was still hurting my scalp at night i couldnt sleep good for it hurting. I had him shave it with a razor and now i am really really bald but no pain so i am much happier.The sooner i got it off was the better . I was sad to loose it but it was just one step closer to getting past this awful chemo.

  • MaryjRN
    MaryjRN Member Posts: 130
    edited August 2011

    Robyn...I received no chemo training.  Just came in and sat down.  No lunch either, but they offer beveages.

    Madis...I am on the 12 Taxol schedule; 1x week.  I did not fit in to any of the parameters for a clinical study.  I'm not having a problem with the Neulasta shot so far and I have had 2. Hope your fills go ok.

    Michelle...I was just told no alcohol; and a balanced diet. Hopefully it is just a scheduling change you are dealing with.

    My4pumpkins...welcome.  What you are going through sounds normal to me.  You'll find a lot of support here.  Glad to hear that your hubby is supportive.  UTI and thrush.. you poor thing.  Hope you are feeling better soon.

    Chrys...my infusions are in an open room.

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2011

    VT ellen, thanks so much and yes Im so releived its over , I have my stock up of anti sickness, claritin , laxitives and pain meds but not sure if I can take any of these tonight after the chemo today did you ? ,I have been rinsing my mouth with salt water to prevent mouth sores and have drank gallons of water , never peeded so much in my life haha , 

    Michello: i was also asked about that trial and as I already have very weak bones was quite interested in it , but then decided against it as I have to travel 100 mile to my hosp each time I though 5 yrs of this would be a bit much especially if im just getting a placebo, but I think you are doing the right thing if I lived closer I would have done it too.

  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited August 2011

    vtEllen, thanks, I am so afraid it will just get worse, each time too. so thanks for that encouragement.

     So, is shaving your head a good idea?  I thought I'd read that that can make it more sore so I was just going to let my very short hair fall out, but maybe not?  

     Chrys23, we will make it, I wanted to quit last night too, couldn't face this again, but today I feel a little better, actually made it into work, so hopefully it will be better now until the next tx.  Plus I want to kick it and be around for a long time yet!

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited August 2011

     Chrys - you are living in luxury! I would much prefer a private room.

     Carol - My plan for next dose is to take everything I've got right from the start, I think it is better to nip it in the bud.

  • Amelie_Rose
    Amelie_Rose Member Posts: 106
    edited August 2011

    It's great that there are so many on this board.  It always take me a while to catch up if I skip a couple of days.  Welcome my4pumpkins, justme1 and truenorth!  

    There seems to be quite of few of us getting the TCH regimen.  I found that the entire first week after treatment was not fun: disgetive upset, tiredness, taste changes, but after day 8, I felt like myself again.  No nausea, no neuropathy (I am taking B vitamins and did ice my hands during treatment) and no nail changes.  My second TCH is scheduled for Monday.  I'll let you all know how it goes.  Aimska, how are you holding up?

    Re Neulasta:  I am surprised that not everyone is getting it.  It was automatic for me as Taxotere is known for lowering WBC.  Ellen, do you think you'll get it next time?  It must be hard to have to stay home all this time.

    My hair is falling in huge, long clumps.  It's horrible.  I haven't made peace with my new look yet and can't seem to find a wig that look like my hair.  I am not a 'hat person', so I don't know what I'll do.... 

    A question for those who've already lost their hair, how did others react to seeing you and how did you handle it?

    Amelie 

  • YaYa5
    YaYa5 Member Posts: 667
    edited August 2011
    amelie, we're on the same schedule.  i'll have my second tx of TCH on monday, too.  i went naked today and it felt good ... i really didn't go anywhere special, but out and about in my car.  i think it's shocking to some people, but i'm trying not to worry about others and worry more about what feels good to me.  it's all so weird, isn't it??
  • Sandysoo
    Sandysoo Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2011

    Hi Guys

    I had round 3 of chemo last Thurs......3 more to go. Im doing really well. No side effects, well maybe metal mouth, but its not that bad. The steroids freak me out a bit.....they're horrible. Im like Garfield pinned to a wall.

    Hope you guys are doing good.

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