Any nutritional supplements out there WITHOUT soy?

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Chrys23
Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
edited June 2014 in Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment

Morning -- I was wondering if there are any nutritional supplement drinks WITHOUT soy in them?? I just started chemo yesterday and in the event I'm not hungry down the line; I would usually take  ENSURE but it has freakin' soy in it!!

Matter of fact; everything that's out there has either Soybean oil or Soy lecithin in it. Are there some products that I can drink that won't be bothersome for those that are ER+ like myself?

What can I drink or eat snackwise? LOL

Many thanks!

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  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    bump

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    You might want to ask your MO or nutritionist about soy lecithin. The Stanford nutrition said it is commonly used in very tiny quanities (such as in my Whey Protein powder that I wanted to use in my smoothies) and she said at that quantity, it wasn't anything to worry about. Soy protein powder, of course, is a major no-no. FWIW, I've been surprised that soybean oil is used in so many things, like the primary ingredient in many "natural" bottled salad dressings, so I know it does get sneaked into many things.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Also, some Vitamin D3 are in "soy oil."  that's another thing to be careful of, if you're taking a high dose to get our Vitamin D levels up.  I found one that is in rice bran oil.

    Soy REALLY sneaks into so many foods.  All the "energy bars" I've seen have it.  I think there are some forms of soy that are less dangerous thatn others for E+ bc, but can't remember which is which.

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  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited August 2011

    What about making smoothies with Greek yogurt as a base?  Then you can control the add-in ingredients.

    Chobani doesn't have any soy.

    Michelle

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Good idea, michelle, except for those of us who are dairy free, and that's quite a few women now.

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  • Megadotz
    Megadotz Member Posts: 302
    edited August 2011

    FWIW,  I'm 100% RE+ and PR+  -- my MO had no problem with my taking Ensure or Boost during treatment.

    She's also said it's OK to eat soy products,  just not concentrated soy extracts. 

    It's worth checking with your MO on this.

    I hope the chemo journey is uneventful for you.

     Meg (6x TAC)

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  • Melizzard
    Melizzard Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2011

    One word:  Orgain.  It's the healthy, organic alternative to Ensure and Boost and no soy.  The protein is whey.  It kept me alive when I couldn't eat.  Comes in chocolate and vanilla.  Don't much like the vanilla, but the chocolate rocks.  Has whole grains, fruits, veggies, omega3s, and protein.  Check it out.  We LOVE it in my household!  :)

    xxoo

    Melissa

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    If you're making your own smoothies and looking for a protein boost, I've seen brown rice protein and hemp protein powders. These may have tiny amounts of soy lecithin.

    FWIW, I've tried some raw "power bars" and they rarely have soy.  (my speculation is that they are trying to appeal to the widest possible audience). Usually their protein source is brown rice protein powder. Found then at Whole Foods.

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  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    Thanks everyone! I appreciate the comments. I'll have to check out "Orgain" -- not sure where I can find it, but will be on the look out for it!!

    Chrys

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  • 4minniemousegirl
    4minniemousegirl Member Posts: 26
    edited August 2011

    hello friends, I recently had a biopsy and results were b9 thankfully.  I have recently started researching soy and its effects on estrogen levels/breast cancer risk. I've read that a little soy is okay pre-menapause...what do you all advise? I've switched to organic makeup and skin care..reading labels a lot more now. I've read that soy and flax seed are the foods to avoid? true? any comments would be appreciated. I'm 41 and this recent "scare" has driven me to be more conscientious w/what I put on and in my body especially anything that can impact estrogen levels! I also have two young daughters and I want to be careful w/them too. help! 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    4minnie

    Have you read the book AntiCancer by Dr. Davdi Servan-Shreiber.  It explains how he survived, for many years, after having brain cancer.  The way of living he found beneficial, after cancer, seems to be the best place to start learning what changes you might want to make.  Also, this site, has a good section on Nutrition, Prevention.  Good luck - hope you are always B9.

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  • 4minniemousegirl
    4minniemousegirl Member Posts: 26
    edited August 2011

    thanks sunflowers! i will get that book!!! 

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  • Melizzard
    Melizzard Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2011

    Re:  Orgain ... I get mine at Whole Foods, but they order it for us.  If you have a local health food store, then see if they can order it for you.  Also, I'm sure you can get it online, and I would bet you could find it with free shipping.  :)

    xxoo

    Melissa

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  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited August 2011

    Melizzard -- thanks! I have a Whole Foods down the street! My only question is, when looking at the ingrediants, there is some soy lechithin in the Orgain. I don't know if that is a problem or not...so hard to know what is the best approach.

     Sunflowers -- thank you for the book recommendation; much appreciated!

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  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited August 2011

    I can second melizzard's recommendation for orgain.  My mom has lost some weight since last year.   Her doctor gave her a prescription and recommended two cal supplements.  I didn't fill the scrip and instead of the two cal, I got her to try orgain.  She likes it.  yea!  I like it too.  She gained 3 pounds in june and is now a whopping 103. 

    For anyone wavering on soy, here's a good article that gives lots of reasons to avoid it:  

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jul/25/food.foodanddrink

    I've also become aware of a book that's high on my 'to read' list, The Whole Soy Story by Dr Kaayla Daniels.  I've long been frustrated by claims about soy to be fudgy -- sprinkled with words like 'may', 'might' 'could be'.  After just a brief bit of learning about Dr Daniels and her work, she seems to be the one to lift the veil on all that ambiguous language.  

    http://blog.wholesoystory.com/

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  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited August 2011

    Has anyone tried Odwalla drinks?  Some have Soy but others do not and appear to be high in vitamins.  I do like the Berry, Mango Tango and there is a Green one too.

    http://odwalla.com/index.jsp?WT.srch=1

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  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited August 2011

    I use Almond Breeze for my smoothies with fruit..Some of the almond milks have soy but Almond Breeze doesn't - I use the vanilla unsweetened and add my own sweetener.

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    I picked up some chocolate orgain (thanks for the tip) but haven't tried it yet. As an FYI, the list of ingredients shows soy lecithin at the bottom (so a small amount). I'm still taking my nutritionist's advice that small amounts of soy lecithin are fine, but FYI.

    On a tangent, I've been reading labels more closely now and was surprised to see that my organic mayo is primarily soy oil. yikes. At whole foods I found one that did not contain soy oil but sneaked in that soy protein isolate--the more concentrated kind, I believe.   Hard to stay on top of everything. 

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011

    Re: Odwalla--did you see they are now using plant-based materials for their bottles, instead of plastic? Cool, huh? I just wish they'd use organic ingredients, esp. for fruits on the dirty-dozen list, like apples/apple juice.

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  • Melizzard
    Melizzard Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2011

    Peggy, I use Vegannaise.  They make one with canola oil and they make one with grapeseed oil.  I typically use the grapeseed one, but they're both Omega 6s, so I would guess one's no better than the other.  Just had heard (can't remember where or even what I heard) bad things about canola, but I'm SURE it's better than soy oil!  LOL

    xxoo

    Melissa

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited August 2011
    Melizzard, thanks for the tip. I ended up buying one with canola oil (and no soy protein!) but I wished it was organic (isn't there some problem with GMOs in non-organic canola? I can't keep track of all this stuff). Thanks for the tip. Next time I'll get the grapeseed oil kind. I don't even use mayo that much; I can't believe how much work it is to sift through all this stuff.
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  • BobbiMarie
    BobbiMarie Member Posts: 60
    edited August 2011

    I started seeing a Chinese Acupuncturist and Herbal Medicine person.  She explained - and I have researched it as much as I can to validate what she is saying - that soy ...natural soy ....has been shown in studies as having an estrogen that blocks the bodies estrogen....a good thing.  I can't tell if the studies are final or not but there appears to be evidence to that effect. She also explained that things like edamame and tofu are good.  Soy burgers, powders, etc are concentrated Soy....not natural for the body to process and are bad bad bad.  Soy lecithin is in just about everything and is a binder....not to be concerned about.  Dairy and sugar are also bad bad bad.  Soy milk is good but I don't care for it.  I bought almond milk - haven't tried it yet - and there is also coconut milk.  She also sent me to dates for my sweet tooth.  Amazing the food nutrients that are in those things.

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