Is there a standard of follow up for pbmx after lcis?

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iammommy
iammommy Member Posts: 213

Had lcis, then pbmx. Pathology report showed no malignancy. What is the follow up from here? I see my bs in a few weeks. Pbmx was may 4th. What next?

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  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited July 2011

    Hey Nan. I think I remember that you did not also have reconstruction, is that right?  It was recommended to me that (once I was fully healed from reconstruction) I would see my PS annually (with MRIs every couple of years) and my BS annually (in lieu of a mammo.)  Don't know if that's helpful to you?  Hope you are doing well.

    Kelly

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2011

    Hi Kelly. You're right, i had no reconstruction. Just the pbmx. The info was helpful. Thanks! I'll let you know what my bs suggests in terms of follow up. I see him in early August. Nan

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited July 2011

    I have the same dx and treatment you have and also have no recon.  They tell me all I have to do is come in once per year to my surgeon for physical exam.  It seems like so little follow up!  So can you please post what your follow up will be once  you know?  I am not even to have MRI, maybe this is due to no recon involved?  I don't take any hormonal therapies either.

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited August 2011

    Beacon, yes, I will post once I see my breast surgeon, which is Aug.9th. I"m nervous about little follow up as well. I'll let you know! Nan

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    The NCCN guidelines for LCIS (though I'm sure PLCIS hasn't been specifically studied)  **without** PBM is yearly mammogram, and twice a year clinical exam. No MRIs even. http://nccn.com/cancer-guidelines.html

    This is what I'm getting (with classic LCIS.)  I can't say I'm comfortable with this, but its what I'm getting.

    I am **NOT** trying to invalidate your anxiety.   I am not very objective about my own situation. 

  • DocBabs
    DocBabs Member Posts: 775
    edited August 2011

    There is a standard for those with LCIS and you chose the ultimate solution to a situation that might or might not have occurred. There was no invasive disease.You could even say that now the rest of your organs might be at risk.How do you monitor all of them? Having said that , I now tell you that I applaude you decision.I was "followed closely" for 3 years with LCIS and I sit here now 11 weeks post -op BMX for not only ALH and LCIS BUT also ADH DCIS and IDC.I wish I had  been so proactive.All concerns about BC would be gone.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited August 2011

    This is the frustrating part of LCIS, the not knowing what to do.  Just had a follow up with my BS 2 months after a lumpectomy  which confirmed dx of ALH and LCIS from core biopsy and also added ADH to the mix.  Now i am scheduled for a mammo in 3 months since she indicated that while she took out alot of tissue fro a number of places during the lumpectomy the possiblity exists that something may have been missed and this has to be watched very carefully.  Some days I think it wold just be easier to have a BMX and just be done with it but for now I am willing to give it a little time and see what happens.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    This is the frustrating part of LCIS, the not knowing what to do. 

    You are so right, Janet!  Part of my quandry is that I am not sure if I had BPMs that my anxiety would decrease - would I then still be worried about LCIS, and in addition be worried about lymphedema or chronic mastectomy pain? 

    It sounds like the vast majority of women who have had BPMs are very happy with their decision, but, fortunately or unfortunately, I can't trade experiences, personalities, or emotional health with anyone.  

    Tough choices.

  • lciscarroll
    lciscarroll Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2011

    Hi, everyone.  I opted for PBMX for my LCIS.  I had immediate reconstruction (GAP).  After I had the surgery I was relieved and I just didn't want to think about BC any more.  So I got on with my life.  Then 4 months after surgery I started thinking, ok now what?  So, I called the doctors office and they told me to do self exams.  Up until that point I did not want to touch my reconstructed breast.  So now I find a small lump near my breast bone.  Made an appointment to see my BS.  Anxiety starting up again. 

    Laurie

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    %#*(&%  Laurie.  No one deserves this kind of stress.  Holding out my hand to you!

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited August 2011

    Hi Laurie. Haven't talked with you in a while...so sorry about this new stress.  Will be thinking of you.

    Kelly

  • lciscarroll
    lciscarroll Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2011

    Thank you leaf and Kelly you are very kind. Just trying to stay busy until I see my BS on Tuesday.  Thinking of finding a new doctor for follow up care.  I was told to just do self exams for LCIS, no mammograms.  My oncologist was against me getting a PBMX.  So I went out of state to get my PBMX. The doctor that did my PBMX suggested I just follow up with my general practitioner.  Well, that doesn't seem like a good idea, because she really did not think ALH was anything to worry about.  It wasn't until I started doing research on my own that I really learned about ALH / LCIS.  I have come across many road blocks trying to find good care. I need to get a better plan in place.  

    Laurie 

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited August 2011

    L- I was told follow up is still annual BS appts (in lieu of mammos) and annual PS appts (with breast MRIs every couple of years) so being seen twice a year by breast specific docs as well as annual gyno exam and general physical....still lots of appts. every year but nothing like what I was doing.

    -K

  • lciscarroll
    lciscarroll Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2011

    Kelly,

    Annual visit to BS, gynecologist and general physician seems to cover it.  MRI's every two years seems reasonable.   What is PS? 

    My oncologist ordered my MRI prior to my BMX.  Not so sure I want to see the oncologist again since he gave me a bit of a bad time about going against his advise about the BMX.  I will ask the BS if she could see me on an annual basis and order an MRI biannually.     

    Doing self breast exams only, on my own, is not something I am comfortable with.  So glad I came to this forum.  Thank you so much Kelly and all the other women out there spreading the information we all need.  Could  you imagine trying to deal with all this without a  web site like this?  Say 30 years ago? 

    How is everyone doing with the stress level of managing this?  Now, every little thing about my body that may be slightly abnormal or questionable puts me on edge. Every so often I feel odd sensations in my newly constructed breasts (IGAP) and it sends up alarms.  After I get this breast lump problem resolved, I just really want to get back to my life.  If I know I am having my breasts monitored in some way, that is justifiably reliable, I think I could relax and get on with my life. 

    Laurie

         

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited August 2011

    L- PS= plastic surgeon.  Really hoping that your appt. Tuesday brings you some relief...you sure deserve some! 

  • Doreenanne
    Doreenanne Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2011

    KellyMaryland:   I had my exchange surgery on 8/5/11.  I feel pretty good. 8/12/11 going to see PS.  I have a question for you.  Who told you that you have to go for any MRI every couple of years?  and why? After my PBM I had asked my BS about mri's and she said no.  So I'm just wondering if it was your PS or BS that told you.  Talk to you soon.

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited August 2011

    Laurie, how was your appt?

    D, so glad you are feeling well post exchange. Both my PS and BS said breast MRI was necessary every few years to ensure the integrity of the silicone implant.  But I don't know if this is standard practice or just what these docs deem necessary (they are part of the same team).

    All the best,

    Kelly

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited August 2011

    OK ladies, I saw my BS this week and here's what he said my follow up will be...I will see him in 6 months (which will be 9 months ofter my pbmx), and yearly after that. I will see my ob/gyn annually, as well. No need for MRIs or anything else he said. That's it. I also asked if I can honestly report on things like life insurance/health insurance forms that I did NOT have breast cancer, and he sad absolutely, and that he will go to bat for me if it's ever challenged. He said when LCIS was first "discovered" it was thought of as Stage 0 breast cancer, but now "almost all" think of it as a marker for increased risk of futurre breast cancer. PLCIS is different, as is DCIS. But, it goes into some "tumor bank" as Stage 0 breast cancer. I have no idea what a tumor bank is. Anybody?



    Nan

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    ?Maybe the 'tumor bank' is the SEER registry? http://seer.cancer.gov/

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited August 2011

    Leaf, I googled "tumor bank" and it seems there are many of them. They seem to be facilities that collect and freeze tumor samples for further research. Who knew? LOL Nan

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    Thanks for the info, Nan!  Its good to learn more.

  • lciscarroll
    lciscarroll Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2011

    So happy to report lump between my breasts is merely a cyst.  Had a needle aspiration and had it analysed.  Worked myself up into a frenzy for nothing.  Greatly relieved.

    Asked my BS what I need to do for follow up after my PBMX for LCIS.   My PS and BS both told me no mammograms, only self exams.  The PS told me to just follow up with my general practitioner for my yearly exams.  However, I just don't feel comfortable with that.  So glad my BS agreed to see me yearly.  Not sure what would be better, to see the oncologist yearly or the BS. I also have a high risk of colon cancer since my Dad had it a year ago. My oncologist is a male and we don't see eye to eye on just about anything.  We ended our conversation by him telling me, "there are no guarantees in life".  Although I know that to be true, I don't think I needed to hear it when I did.

    Ok, now lets relax. Enjoy the beautiful moon out tonight.  Perhaps a glimpse of that meteor show (best time to view is just before dawn). Time for my yogi bedtime tea.

    Sweet Dreams,

    Laurie 

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2011

    Woo hoo!  Congrats on your cyst diagnosis!

    I think sometimes it takes a couple of visits to figure out the style of a doc.  Sometimes they have a bad day, or you have a bad day.  But if you really don't see anything eye to eye, then maybe its better to see someone else?  For me, its important to feel like your doc is your 'protector' and not your adversary.

    What a beautiful picture in my mind of a big glowing moon, and a delicate meteor shower.    Thank you for sharing that gorgeous scene with us.

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited August 2011

    Thanks iammommy for this info.  It is just the same as what I was given by my BS as far as follow up goes. 

    I never asked that exact question about how to answer a legal question of "did you ever have cancer".  That is an interesting point.  Since I had PLCIS (very small amount, they tell me) I do not know how I would answer to stay correct.  I will ask my surgeon this when I see him in December.

    Laurie - awesome about the cyst!!!!!! Isn't it just the best feeling in the world to hear that!!  It's like preparing for a war and then you hear the peace has been made and you stand down.  So great! 

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited August 2011

    laurie- my first log in since returning from vacation and so happy to see your post! that's really great news.

    -kelly

  • lciscarroll
    lciscarroll Member Posts: 91
    edited October 2011

    Wow, it has been a while since I have been on this web site.   Every so often my experience from the last year pops into my mind.  Then I am drawn back to my friends on this site.  Feels like home.

    These days I look back on my mastectomy for the LCIS / ALH, as if it were all a dream.  My new breasts (GAP  reconstruction), are better than my old ones.  My breasts have sensation and they do not feel at all numb.  Could the nerves have regenerated that quickly?  It has been 7 months since my last surgery (stage 2).  My breast are off my radar once again. 

    One thing for sure, I have lost all my trust and confidence with my doctors.  Feel like I am telling them what I need.  There doesn't seem to be much consensus in the medical community when it comes to follow up care for LCIS.  So, I guess I will follow my surgeons advice and do breast self exams periodically. 

    Kelly, Leaf, Beacon and everyone- hope you are all doing well.  Always, nice to hear from you all.   

    Laurie  

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