Susan G Komen
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Elmcity, you said, "i oppose war for many reasons, which include believing our young men and women deserve better. so drop the "aren't you an ungrateful little commie" crap."
Not that you asked, but I'm not a fan of war either. Sometimes it's necessary ... just as you feel it's necessary to tell me to drop whatever "crap." Where did you get the idea that your opinions are so pious and mine are crap? I have just as much of a right to express mine as you do yours, without being flamed. Aren't we all sick here? Damn, don't we have better things to do, like focus on LIVING?
And I will add that none of those other ways to serve our country include willingly putting your life on the chopping block for it. Big difference, in my "crappy" opinion.
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Leia, I could say a lot in response to your post, but I'll keep it to: you're delusional. I'd feel sorry for you, but you are also mean spirited and vicious.You can just toss off a phrase like
And you will embrace the MIC and do that. Have all of your "treatments" paid for by someone else. Because you are so "special." And probably die from them they are more toxic than smoke.
If I die young on my children, it's from CANCER that metastasizes. Not the chemo I had, which, by the way, didn't keep me from working (albeit part time), exercising, and living my life. SusanK8 mentions folks without empathy, and that is you.And by the way, I work to pay my insurance premiums. But if I was poor, disabled, or unemployed, yes, someone else would have to - in the same way I pay for others, and have no problem doing so.
And yeah, I am special. Everyone else, in his/her own way. So I'm worth all of the "MIC" treatments, yes, indeed.
And SusanK8: why don't you ever post personal details? Always posting extreme lines of thought, but nary a detail of the journey.
Trolls always follow the same pattern: initially sycophantic, lots of questions, then hot debate, provocative questions, extreme statements. They top it off by never mentioning any personal detail of clinical profile or treatment experience.
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@ melizzard: serving one's country isn't limited to the military. enough said, and all due respect, i'm done debating it with you.
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Wasn't debating at all. We're both entitled to our opinions and, until you've lived a military lifestyle, which is still all voluntary, you really have nothing to say on the matter. Kinda like someone who's never had cancer trying to tell us what's what.
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My friend's son recently went through chemotherapy for AML. He is doing great now, as are many kids diagnosed with leukemia. Most of them now survive, thanks to chemotherapy. Not too long ago, they would die a swift, painful, and cruel death.
I wonder if you anti-chemo people would tell them and their parents to "skip the chemo".
That natural-news website is ridiculous propaganda. Remember the holocaust comparison that was on that website?
Most women said it was the most disgusting thing they have seen here.
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I agree, elmcity, since Susan has posted so much, I would be interested in hearing about her personal journey with breast cancer. I've shared mine with everyone.
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Yeah, Mike Adams is a bit of a sensationalist, but if you look past all the hype, and follow the studies, there's usually some form of truth at the core of it all.
I'm not a believer in chemo. I find it a very destructive modality and what I want to do is heal. So I avoided it for the first 4 years of my mets dx. But when my small intestine got totally obstructed and there were too many places to surgically repair, it was either that or die. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
That being said, I also didn't put all my eggs in the chemo basket.
I have an amazing energy healer who has helped me quite a bit, I'm working through emotional trauma that I'm certain had a part in all of this, and I selectively use supplements. I also have iscador and oleander waiting in the wings as soon as I get the green light inside for them.
In spite of the chemo, I feel better than I have felt in the past couple of years. I'm camping with my horses, going to art festivals, the local lake, etc. Still not chemo's biggest fan, but I can certainly attest that it is a useful tool ... not the end-all, be-all, but a tool to be selectively used, IMO.
xxoo
Melissa
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I was put through "adjuvant" chemo in 2006: the strongest possible one, the TAC; only to learn, after 5 out of 6 rounds, that chemo does nothing to prevent recurrence with my type of tumor (ER+, PR+, HER-).
Since then, they have also decided (see the latest SABC information, which we already talked about on this web site) that 1 or 2 lymph nodes no longer automatically warrants adjuvant chemotherapy.
Meanwhile, millions of women were put through adjuvant chemotherapy over of a period of 20-25 years or so. To no avail, as it turns out (PLEASE NOTE: I am talking about chemo as a preventive measure, I am not putting down chemo used at Stage IV to control mets).
I commend you on your treatment choices, Melissa.
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Hi Yazmin,
where do I find the info about which you commented that "1 or 2 lymph nodes no longer automatically warrants adjuvant chemotherapy. "
I am still suffering from what seems to be permanent SE's from 4 rounds of chemo for "a possible isolated tumour cell"
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OK, painterly, here is the discussion:
I just happened upon this thread:".....Stage II, Grade 1, 3 positive nodes and NO chemo. Maybe soon to come is a change in the "standard of care" for us women with stats like mine. Would love to hear some input and opinions on this. Yes, 11 oncs all agree with my treatment, radiation and AI's so I should be at ease. I guess I am but want to hear from others like me!" LINK:http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/108/topic/765323?page=4#post_2295096
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Good Lord, I'm reading someone promoting cigarette smoking on a cancer discussion board? the strongest link between any cancer and personal habit is between smoking and lung cancer. Are you the only one on the planet who still doesn't understand this?
I see you justify this by saying that others are eating sugar or drinking coke or something. Well, smoking is much, much worse for you. And most of us aren't indulging in these things. I have had a healthy, vegetarian diet my entire adult life, and am physically fit and I still got cancer.
Second hand smoke absolutely causes cancer. Honestly, where do you get these ideas. Please, provide a link with a website that will tell us that smoking does not cause cancer.
Its been 7 years since my diagnosis. I have no problem saying I'm cured.
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Nice compilation:
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"Leia, I could say a lot in response to your post, but I'll keep it to: you're delusional. I'd feel sorry for you, but you are also mean spirited and vicious.You can just toss off a phrase like
And you will embrace the MIC and do that. Have all of your "treatments" paid for by someone else. Because you are so "special." And probably die from them they are more toxic than smoke."
elmcity, are YOU personally paying for your "treatments? You said you work part time. Your employer gives you health insurance for working part time? What do you do?
I'm "delusional?" I'm surprised you didn't call me a "terrorist." That is the typical progressive talking point, recently. Although you did call me "mean spirited and vicious."
How am I mean spirited and vicious? Because I disagreed with you?I just have an alternative view point. That is equally valid.
I am a smoker, so according to you, I should be dead. Smoking=Cancer. Why am I not dead? Why do I feel GREAT?
And I have no cancers, anymore.
But you're right. I am the TROLL on this board. Because I don't agree with the "common wisdom."
I don't agree with it. I don't agree with this Medical Industrial Complex. And all of their chemo and radiation "treatments." I believe in Vitamin D3 and Budwigs FOCC. That have personally helped me.
Not only have neither of my cancers, returned in 5 and 7 years, I just feel great. Even still SMOKING. HORRORS.
And never had any of the MIC treatments.
Just saying what I've done. Your mileage will vary.
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Member_of_the_Club wrote:"Good Lord, I'm reading someone promoting cigarette smoking on a cancer discussion board? the strongest link between any cancer and personal habit is between smoking and lung cancer. Are you the only one on the planet who still doesn't understand this?"I do understand this "Member of the Club." (What club, are you a member of?) But will just repeat: Smoking does not equal lung cancer. 10%of smokers get lung cancer. So, what is your point? My point is that we should all eat healthy. Have a D3 level of 70 and high Omega 3s, via Budwig, and eat veggies You say you ate vegies Member of the Club and still got cancer. What vegies. How much did you eat? What is your vitamain D level?Second hand smoke absoutely does NOT cause cancer! This is just some Progressive nonsense.Again, if second hand smoke caused cancer I would be dead. I grew up with smoking parents. As did 50% of everyone else born in the '50s. We are not only not dead, but we're living, forever. But with all of the obesity problems.And THAT is the real problem. All of these obese people. That cause WAY more problems than smoking. 2/3 of the American population is either overweight or obese. And that is why health care costs are skyrocketing.
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MOC, Leia is just playing with you. Had enough fun yet, Leia?
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Well, maybe leia is just "playing" but this kind of play is very dangerous. Fortunately, most (but perhaps not all) are able to see it for what it is: she's got to be playing.
What I once responded to someone (in real life) saying that she is free to kill herself smoking if that's what she want was: "....No problem. Just don't smoke around the rest of us: we are also free to try and avoid death by smoking, if we can".
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thanks for the link Yazmin.
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Digger is right, I think. Best to ignore all of Leia's defense of smoking. It isn't worth our time.
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@Leia: actually, I didn't mean you were a troll. I'm actually not sure if you are, but I didn't write it with you in mind.
As far as paying for my healthcare and my employment: why would I divulge those details to someone who tosses off such mean spirited remarks?
You're not mean spirited because you believe in "alternative". You're mean spirited because you blithely talk about my supposed death due to "MIC treatments". And although I can dish out the attitude better than most, I have NEVER, ever, on this board or elsewhere, treated another person's illness, death, or fear of recurrence so cheaply. and you have, so you're beneath me, no matter what you say or do. If I die tomorrow, I'm still better off than someone like you.
I reflected on these debates long and hard yesterday, and realized it's negative energy. I'll admit, I should have turned the other cheek more often, and long before this. But now I will. Say what you will - I won't respond to you.
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I've had my vitamin D levels checked. They are fine. I have never been obese. I am a runner and have been physically fit my entire adult life.
But obviously I got breast cancer because of liberal politics. That seems to be what you are saying.
Leia, you seem to be saying that because you are alive, smoking doesn't lead to lung cancer. the rate of lung cancer deaths for people who smoke is high, but it isn't 100%. Same for heart disease and other cancers from smoking. No one here ever said that smoking = lung cancer as a one to one correlation. Please, cite just one source to back up this nonsense. Just one.
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We're all healthy till an illness manifests, then we realise it's been brewing for years. Cancer is said to be growing for ten years before we discover it. It didn't suddenly appear the day we were diagnosed.
I've seen autopsies showing a young smoker's lung, filled with black tar, and that would worry me if I smoked, but it's not easy stopping. People need support and something to replace it.
I try to cut down on unhealthy foods and live a healthy life but we all have our weaknesses and for me it's a sedentary lifestyle. That's something I've worked on from time to time but when I have a crisis in my life I return to my old habits. One day I'll make the exercises stick no matter what, the same as a smoker who gives up many times before finally becoming a permanent non-smoker.
If we all worked on our weak areas instead of worrying about what others are doing then we'd all be healthier. Leia I have faith that the right time will come for you when your desire to stop smoking will come because you believe in a healthy lifestyle. I believe you have great inner strength. Stay strong.
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digger wrote:
"MOC, Leia is just playing with you. Had enough fun yet, Leia?"
To all of the posters, above, I am just saying what I truly believe. In all of the posts that I have made on this board. What "fun" could this possibly be, digger? You and others constant mocking of me?As I've said, sure I know smoking is not good. But compared to the alternatives caused by obesity, smoking is relatively less bad. There are so many more diseases caused by obesity then there are smoking.
Yazmin wrote:
"Well, maybe leia is just "playing" but this kind of play is very dangerous. Fortunately, most (but perhaps not all) are able to see it for what it is: she's got to be playing."Dangerous to whom? Is it dangerous for a person to get another viewpoint? That is different from yours? You're just right and I'm wrong. Is that your viewpoint?
elmcity69 wrote:
"Digger is right, I think. Best to ignore all of Leia's defense of smoking. It isn't worth our time."
I have just stated what I am doing to counter my bad smoking habit. And that is the FOCC, maintaining my D3 level of 81, 60 minutes of walking/day, drinking green smoothies with my home grown Kale/Chard, and other greens and maintaining low stress levels. I agree, smoking is not optimal. Yet, I enjoy it.
All that I am saying is that smoking is just one carcinogen. And I've built my life since my two cancers to build up my body to fight all carcinogens.Our bodies are complex. Smoking is definitely a carcinogen but there are so many other carcinogens in our environment. Why did all of you women get breast cancer?
From what most of you say on this board, you ate well and didn't smoke and didn't do anything bad and yet you got breast cancer.
Since my breast cancer diagnosis in 2006, I've never understood this treatment of chemotherapy. A treatment designed to kill your immune system. How could that possibly help?
I will just state that I believe that to fight cancer we need to build up our own body's defenses to fight the cancer. And I have done that by what I said I have done, above. To repeat, "the FOCC, maintaining my D3 level of 81, 60 minutes of walking/day, drinking green smoothies with my home grown Kale/Chard, and other greens and maintaining low stress levels."My intentions on posting on this board is not to "play" anyone. I don't even know what that means. I'm only here to relate my experiences. My success with the FOCC and D3. My rejection of the MIC treatments, radiation and chemotherapy, and how I'm thriving without them.
That is all that I'm trying to say.
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Leia - the epidemiological evidence for the adverse effects of second-hand smoke are overwhelming (not to mention direct use of tobacco products). Because 1 individual does not experience an outcome does not negate the data. I suggest you take your denial and dangerous comments about tobacco use elsewhere - maybe to a COPD forum, or try a post-MI board.
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The only other carcinogen that even comes close to smoking in terms of the number of cancers it causes is sun exposure.
I feel pretty confident saying that smoking causes a higher percentage of deaths than obesity. But its an absurd comparison. It like saying "its OK that I smoke crack because I'm not injecting heroin."
Honestly, this may just be me but I can't think of anything more miserable than losing the ability to breath.
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Nancy - I agree with you - definitely the bc pill - which is 5 times the strength of HRT. I took it for many, many years and HRT for only 4.
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Leia wrote:
"Member_of_the_Club wrote:
The only other carcinogen that even comes close to smoking in terms of the number of cancers it causes is sun exposure."I wasn't going to post, anymore, but this is just WRONG.
The only thing that will PREVENT all cancers is the sun. We don't get enough sun. Meaning, D3.
D3, from the sun has now been proven, even in the MIC to prevent most cancers. VitaminDCouncil.org.
The reason we don't hear about it is because Big $Pharma can not patent, the sun. And Big $Pharma does not want us to be healthy. They want us to take their drugs. So they can make $Billions.
But drugs have only been available for the last 70 years, say. The original Social Security didn't cover "drugs." Because they were no drugs. It was only Bush that passed that SS Drug plan. To pay off his Big $Pharma buddies. And by now we're taking all of these drugs.
And avoiding the sun. The true source, of health.
Think about it ... mankind has been around for millions of years. Living in the sun. The source of all life. And now, all of a sudden, the sun is evil? And we should slather on sun screen and undergo chemotherapyand then we will be "healthy."
What nonsense.
For us all to be healthy, we need to go back to the basics. The Sun. Eating vegetables. Real food.
Well, that's what I'n doing. And to just add, most of these peoples of the past, smoked. Most people in Europe and elsewhere STILL smoke. And they are not dropping like flies. It is just statists, like jyg that claim that. A claim I just reject.
So, that is my response, MOC. I'm sure you will trash me, tomorrow.
But again, I will just say that I'm posting these messages on this Alternative board. Where I thought it was intended that we talk of alternative treatments. With the freedom of discussing them. I'm not going to the chemo thread and espouse my views. That would be wrong. Those women believe that chemo is helping them and that is what they believe and they have their thread to talk about it. And I thought I had this thread the alternative thread to talk about my views.
Was I wrong, in believing this?
"Member_of_the_Club wrote:The only other carcinogen that even comes close to smoking in terms of the number of cancers it causes is sun exposure."I wasn't going to post, anymore, but this is just WRONG. The only thing that will PREVENT all cancers is the sun. We don't get enough sun. Meaning, D3.D3, from the sun has now been proven, even in the MIC to prevent most cancers. VitaminDCouncil.org. The reason we don't hear about it is because Big $Pharma can not patent, the sun. And Big $Pharma does not want us to be healthy. They want us to take their drugs. So they can make $Billions. But drugs have only been available for the last 70 years, say. The original Social Security didn't cover "drugs." Because they were no drugs. It was only Bush that passed that SS Drug plan. To pay off his Big $Pharma buddies. And by now we're taking all of these drugs. And avoiding the sun. The true source, of health.Think about it ... mankind has been around for millions of years. Living in the sun. The source of all life. And now, all of a sudden, the sun is evil? And we should slather on sun screen and undergo chemotherapyand then we will be "healthy."What nonsense. For us all to be healthy, we need to go back to the basics. The Sun. Eating vegetables. Real food. Well, that's what I'n doing. And to just add, most of these peoples of the past, smoked. Most people in Europe and elsewhere STILL smoke. And they are not dropping like flies. It is just statists, like jyg that claim that. A claim I just reject. So, that is my response, MOC. I'm sure you will trash me, tomorrow. But again, I will just say that I'm posting these messages on this Alternative board. Where I thought it was intended that we talk of alternative treatments. With the freedom of discussing them. I'm not going to the chemo thread and espouse my views. That would be wrong. Those women believe that chemo is helping them and that is what they believe and they have their thread to talk about it. And I thought I had this thread the alternative thread to talk about my views. Was I wrong, in believing this? -
Leia, This thread is in the Complementary forum. I don't think the Alternative forum existed when you started it so maybe you could ask the moderators to move it.
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Well, sorry for the double post. I was just trying to correct the formatting. Moderators, can you fix that?
And as JoyLiesWithin stated, can you move the entire thread over to the Alternative forum?
Thanks.
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Nancy - this is the Alternative forum and this thread has been there since the mods set it up.
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