anyone out there with auto-immune/chronic pain issues before dx?

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  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited July 2011

    So I go for my second fill today and aside from the expected tightness and uncomfortabilty, I also have pain down my arm - through my shoulder, down my arm, into my wrist and sometimes into my hands and finger tips.  I'm wondering if this is in part a fibro response, is the TE resting on a nerve?  It's weird.  Sometimes I have pain and I don't know what it's from  but I kind of know that some other folks aren't experiencing this.  It's just part of the condition I guess!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    mybee333- I have fibro but never had any of the side effects you're describing.  Does your PS know about this arm pain?  I would definitely put a call into them if they don't just to make sure everything is fine.  Sorry you're having to deal with that!

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited July 2011

    3-Jays- I too have noticed headaches have returned since off estrogen! I have them most days and several times a day... On Estrogen I didn't even have to take pain meds with me. I went to this one Doc who gave such a great explaination on how females in utero have all their cells bathed in estrogen and how much our bodies are made to need estrogen. It is just since the advancement of medicine where people live longer and now go through menopause and are still around for many years that we have to figure how our lives can be OK without estrogen as it is so inate to us throughout.....

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited July 2011

    I can believe that we are so in need of estrogen.  After my hysterectomy I was made very aware of that!  Going on estrogen replacement was certainly not something I 'wanted' to do but it was my wayof getting back to 'normal'.  Once we got the dosage right I felt like myself again.  I know I will soon have 5 years of an AI or poss. Tamoxifen and I am really nervous about how that will go.  Estrogen immpacts so many cells and organs in so many ways.

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited July 2011

    yep; estrogen starvation was bad when i had my hysterectomy; but i was told no hrt for me.. my hormones were SO screwed up even then. since im estrogen positive; i just avoid everything that MIGHT be a problem i won't even use soy based creams, etc. they still are absorbed thru the skin. right now, they're trying to unlock a mystery of soy. they say theres' good soy, and bad soy; but till they make up their minds for sure; i avoid it. do not want to reocuur!!

       guess it'll be constant hydration, and wrinkles for me......3jays

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited July 2011

    Bee, arm pain except at sides of elbows isn't an FM indicator. Perhaps your TE is sitting on a nerve or something. Have your doc check your neck too. Don't be too quick to blame FM as you may miss a real situation!!!

    Estrogen....hmmmm. what's that!?!?! I had a hysterectomy years ago and don't recall missing ER. Then when my bc turned out ER+ I figured my fat is producing enough to keep me happy. My skin is in GREAT shape for my age so I'm lucky so far. Lucky??? Me lucky?? Did I just say that????????

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    TooManyCocktails- I realized I never commented on your posting.  I was reading it in the car and wanted to wait until I got back to my computer.  Of course I forgot by then.  (Lack of estrogen strikes again?)  Anyway, I appreciate you posting that.  For so many years I've been hesitant to seek our pain meds even though the fibro has gotten progressively worse.  Your post has made me see things in a different light and put me in a different mind set.  I will be addressing the issue with my GP at my next appointment.  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited July 2011

    Remember what I've said before Kate, when you are in pain, you don't get 'high'. Also, it's a QOL issue just as much as anything else. We have the right to be pain-free and we have the technology...now if I could only ever be painfree!!! It seems to be getting worse, not better being off work!

  • vickilf
    vickilf Member Posts: 95
    edited August 2011

    I think and have read may articles on inflamation causes cancer. My body was so inflammed after taking statin drugs Lipitor, Mevacor and Zocor, I could hardly move. I also got nerve and muscle damage and after taking Lipitor, I couldn't get up off the floor, I could hardly walk. Months later I developed CLL, Chronic Lymphocitic Leukemia, cancer of my immune system, bone marrow, blood. I went back  thru all my medical and lab records, 16 yrs. of hundreds of records and noticed after the Statins my lymph and WBC started going up. Then when you have CLL you get other cancers. I believe my cancers were caused by the the cholestrol lowering drugs, Statins, my oncologist said he thought so too. We both think my two cancers were caused by Statin drugs, a overly prescribed prescription drug..

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Vickilf- I agree with you- way over prescribed. Funny how they keep changing what is considered normal cholesterol too. Drug companies are trying to get as many people on it as possible. My mom was taking it and kept getting these horrible purple welts and bruises whenever she even slightly bumped into things. We thought it was the Lipitor but she said it wasn't listed as a symptom. So I googled it and found a lot of people who had the same issue. She went off it and within 2 weeks all her bruising went away. She's going to try diet and exercise instead!

  • ellenquilt
    ellenquilt Member Posts: 172
    edited July 2011

    I have psoriatic arthritis and gout, so I'm used to a certain constant low level pain.  But after my first chemo, I think the Herceptin (double dose first time) did a number on my. I had so much joint pain for three days after that it was awful.  And I can only take Tylenol, because I'm on blood thinners for A-fib.  Not much relief there.  Second chemo, my herceptin was cut in half, and I'll know tomorrow after the steroids are out of my system completely, if the pain is back or not.  Discussed with my oncologist yesterday and he thinks it was a combination of the Kytril (which he eliminated) and the herceptin.  I was able to work anyways on Monday (work is a great distraction from discomfort most of the time) so if I can forge ahead, I'm not going to let it slow me down.

    This whole cancer thing is forcing me to be more aware of how my body reacts to everything.  

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited July 2011

    I think all of us with auto-immune diseases just have to be extra careful and really pay attention to what our bodies and gut instincts are telling us. I think because of having the auto-immune problem that we are automatically at higher risk for cancer. I DO wish I had been told this when first diagnosed I would have have really questioned and researched going on HRT more had I really understood this.

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited July 2011

    Maybee- hi! To go way back, I also saw an improvement in FM symptoms during BC treatment (and since). I have various theories but really, no idea. Weird!

    About the arm pain- as a long time tendonitis sufferer, I have to suggest that you consider that angle; the symptoms are just so similar. Perhaps the TE is pushing on a tendon, or causing you to move/hold yourself differently, or to sleep in a weird position that is pinching something? Us FM sufferers have such senstitive ligaments and tendons-- I've seen it theorized that they are more dry and frayable, less elastic. So something that was fine for someone else could cause problematic damage for us, sadly. If I were you I would pay attention to whether it gets worse with use, and if so, talk to a PT! But hopefully it will just resolve...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    I had a complete and total breakdown with DH last night from pain issues.  I find when I have a new issue that involves pain of any kind it's the straw, camel's back, blah, blah, blah. I told him how hard it was being in pain all the time.  I've been in pain for over 10 years and am thinking I'm going to be in pain for the next 10, too.  I said just once I want to wake up and not have any.  I felt so guilty with my meltdown seeing as he was just DX with Parkinson's.  Does it ever just get to be too much for all of you?  It's not the level of pain that's changed. It's more thinking it's going to be a permanent part of my life forever.

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited July 2011

    Oh yeah, I have those days. Poor significant other. For me, most often, it's the things I feel I have to do to maintain- I work so hard to keep the symptoms under control, to keep the cancer from coming back, to keep the pain from flaring up, don't forget these pills, these remedies, don't blow off exercising!... the thought of doing it all every day, forever, is too much to handle sometimes. And then, the meltdown. Because yeah, it's the forever. Anything's easy to imagine for a finite period-- that's how I made it through treatment, all of it. But the long term...

    So sorry about the Parkinson's. I'm sure it made you feel guiltier, but that's stressful! Of course you had a breakdown! 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited July 2011

    Kate I'm with you. This intense heat seems to be making it so bad for me lately. We have really humid heat and it knocks me down just like the cold does. There is a 2 week window, in September at some point, where I'm not in pain as the weather is just exactly what I need....sigh.

    I've had many, many breakdowns. I have pity parties where my DH allows me to actually say 'poor me'. It does sometimes help to say it outloud!! The fact that he acknowledges my pain is so healthy for me. Otherwise I'd think I was going crazy!!!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited July 2011

    Jessamine, I know what you mean.  To think we might never get to being pain-free is so discouraging.  I try to stay hopeful, that there is something that can "fix" me, but wonder if that is just a dream.

    I also don't like having to accept the"self" with FM.  It does not feel like the real me, even after having it for over five years.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Thanks for the validation everyone.  Sometimes I feel like the biggest baby.  

    elimar- "It does not feel like the real me" sums it up perfectly.  I feel like this isn't the life I was supposed to live.  I can accept BC easier than FM.  I feel like FM has changed me so much.  Sometimes it just sucks the joy right out of you.  I always feel bad for my DH since I've changed so much.  I always think if I could just get rid of the pain, then the fatigue would go away, and I'd turn back into the woman he married.   

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited August 2011

    Kate - I'm so sorry the pain you are dealing with and some many others here are so life consuming. the pains I have come and go rather than being constant ( well until I lie down..) but one thing I do think is for others to understand how pain affect you and so others around you can be aware and sensitive to it. But I also hear the joy when you talk about your son and when you all went on vacation and how your felt after your last surgery and healing... I understand how it can feel like it envelops you but I wondering if it as noticable to others....as everything I know about you... well, basically I think you are still very much the woman he married and of course here is certainly a wonderful place to vent and rant and say what ever but I guess what I'm tryting to say in a long rambling note is that I know the pain must be horrendous at times and very difficult to deal with but I think you are being too hard on yourself probably out of fear for everything your husband is going through which is also totally understandable just don't be too hard on yourself as I know you are a strong, wonderfully caring and fantastic wife and Mom.

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited August 2011

    Jessamine - Again to go way back - I think you may be on to something with the tendenitis. I had a painful shoulder just recently which I believe was tendenitis but was told was arthritis.  But it came on so suddently I felt something else was up.  The cortizone inj. helped some, but I think the rest after my mastectomy helped the most.  This may be a 'nerve' issue.  It is getting better.  I do find most of my FM symptoms are better the more active I am.  I know this is not true for everyone and I know too that I don't have the stamina of many others (fatique can be a problem), but I did lots of yard work today and it's a nice kind of sore.  Maybe it's just increasing the oxygen to the muscles or just feeling some control, I don't know.  I found it hard to rest as much as the surgeons wanted me too!! But I do take breaks, watch more TV than before and pace some.  I took a 2 1/2 hr. bike ride several day ago and it was hard but I don't want my illnesses to control me. Yes - I hurt a lot.  However, I also know that I am lucky in many ways.  My biggest struggle is with the moods and the depression. I feel bad for my kids.  I'm just not that much fun anymore!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2011

    I don't mind hurting when I've 'earned' it. Cleaning out a garage or something. NOT hurting just because I woke up!!!! That's just not fair!

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited August 2011

    You're right there!   I think that's it.  Earning it before it beats me.  Takes me a long time to get going in the morning!! I am lucky that I don't work summers.  I can get physical :)  During the school year I'm on the computer so much - that's when I think I hurt the most!  No time to be as active as I need/want to be.

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited August 2011

    Just started an AI yesterday.  Already had a hot flash this a.m. and am feeling a little 'different'.  I am very much hoping that I don't have an increase in joint and muscle pain with this medication. It reduces my risk of recurrence by 10% if I comply with treatment.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2011

    mybee333- Hope everything settles down once your body becomes used to the medications.  Sometimes I find I have some SE's for a few weeks but then they go away.  Hope it's the same in your case.  It seems so many of these post BC meds are a toss up- lower risk of recurrence or QOL.  Wish they'd come up with some better alternatives.  Good luck with everything!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2011

    mybee, at least you know your body is working it!

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited August 2011

    Oh yes - I can feel it working.  I already went through this before with my hysterectomy several years ago. Was a VERY difficult time.  Am hoping you are right Kate and things settle with time.  Thank you for your support! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2011

    mybee333- Sometimes with these meds it can feel like 2 steps forward, one step back!  Hope things improve soon for you!  (P.S.  I'm a Michigan girl, too- Wyoming, MI!)

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited August 2011

    arrghh.. yesterday ANOTHER dr. told me he thinks this is hashimotos disease, and even though its 2 years away from chemo; haven taken nuelasta then, probably set it off... hormoans oooppsss  hormones, are such buggers for me. i failed all the als; drove me right to the nuthouse; and yes, when i had my hystectomy years ago; same thing.. i hope all calms down for you,mybee333............3jays

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited August 2011

    Kate - I don't know where Wyoming is....Must be a ways from me.  I am north of Detroit, about 30-40 mins. or so.  My boyfriend and I were in Scottsdale and surrounding areas last summer and absolutely loved it.  We were going to go again this sumer but some things (BC!) got in the way.  So we are doing a long weekend in Chicago in a couple of weeks.

    Having a better couple of days.  I decided to put this mind over matter.  I think some of my anxiety was related to being anxious about the potential problems that could occur, because I had such a difficult time following the hysterectomy.  So far so good...........

    3jaysmom - I have some weird med reactions sometimes, I think it may be the FM, but I have to say, once the Hashimoto's was diagnosed correctly, it was very easily treated and I felt pretty good. After  I started on the Synthroid, things were manageable.  I think once we've been through some of this 'stuff' we do get gunshy or maybe it's a bit of PTSD due to the multiple medical issues!!  Hang in there - this may be just a smaller bump in the road for you, hopefully!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2011

    mybee, my hysterectomy brought me to my knees years ago when I had it!! I had the toughest recovery time of any surgery I'd had to date. I was very anxious about the mastectomy surgery and then pleasantly surprised with how well I did! Because there are no muscles, bones or organs involved, there is so much less pain! A recon surgery involves muscles, so those ladies have it a bit rougher.

    3jays, I'm thinking I may have Hashimoto's too! I just had the doc do a blood panel including thyroid and cholesterol. I've been waking up with 'thick fingers' so swollen I can't close my hand into a fist. That is one of the signs!! Wouldn't it be great to go on a med that could bring me out of the HELL PIT I've been in all these years!?!?!?!?!?!??  I see the doc on Monday to get the results!! I'm always looking for the easy way out - a magic pill!!!!

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