DIEP 2011
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Susan,
I'm happy to hear yup are feeling better and everything is set for your surgery in Charleston. Enjoy the city before you go in for surgery. I am 11 days out of a Bi Diep. I had a uni mast last June and an immediate mast 2 weeks ago days prior to the DIEP. My boobs are not symmetrical because one is radiated and the other is pretty swollen. The dr. Says that the swelling will go down and they will even out and then he may need to do some 'contouring". I only take about one pain pill a day and that is after sitting all day my stomach gets very tight and sore. I am walking around a lot and about the only thing I am doing for myself is showering. I am trying not to do any laundry, reaching , lifting, or anything that will delay my healing. I do notice that my stamina is severely diminished. I will have to work on that befor going back to work in a few weeks.
I'm amazed at how nice and flat my stomach is. It feels very tight and still swollen. All my drains have been removed and are healing nicely. Dr. Klein does not want me wearing anything tight on the belly so I wear loose sundresses around the house.
I know you are nervous/excited about this surgery. You will do great and you will have two new boobs and a flat tummy. Recovery will be tough but you will get better EVERY day. It is amazing what our bodies can endure.
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Susan good luck!
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shellyann: so true . . .you really have to take this whole journey one day at a time and be patient and kind to yourself.
mspradley: my pokey stitch drove me a bit crazy! I keep touching them all the time and I just had one main one to bug me! I do have small little lumpy things along my belly scar . . . I think it is scar tissue. I heal weird . . sometimes great and smooth, sometimes red and lumpy . . I have a bit of both going on. My breast scars are great, my belly scar varies along the stretch.
It is challenging to manage my expectations. It feels like I should look like a victoria's secret model after all I've been through. I was fine with my body before all this (well, mostly fine!) so why do I expect so much after? It just seems like that would be the fair thing!
So glad to hear all the good results on this forum! I feel a bit like a trail blazer. Although this surgery is becoming more and more common most people I talk to have never heard of it and can barely imagine it. I think it is great to get the word out! -
Hi to all!
I'm a double DIEPer from February of this year and am fairly happy with my results. I'm sure I'll get used to the hamburger bun shape - the lack of projection maybe is compensated for by the more youthful high profile (less droop!). It looks great in clothes and "passable" out of them.
For anyone facing this seemingly daunting surgery, I just want to add some encouragement. You can do this!! Keep firmly in mind that followup studies show DIEP/tissue flap recon has the highest level of patient satisfaction in the long term. (My PS tells me HALF the women coming to him for DIEPs these days are implant recons who are unhappy and want to switch.)
I just want to add two other ideas -
1. Delayed DIEP using tissue expanders. For those of us who, like me, didn't have immediate recon, taking the extra step of putting in TEs for a few months first can solve the asymmetry problem. I had a skin-sparing mastectomy in April 2010, anticipating I'd eventually do recon. But by the time I had a 2nd mastectomy (for DCIS) in December 2010, the skin had gotten tight. So my options were: do an immediate DIEP with the mastectomy, and import a skin "paddle" from the abdomen to create the pocket where the skin was tight; or, delay the DIEP for a few months and first insert bilateral TEs, to gradually stretch the skin on the tight side so I wouldn't need a skin paddle stitched in (while the other TE acts as a "placeholder" preventing the new-MX skin from shrinking).
Personally I felt the additional surgery was very worth it, as the result is symmetrical and you'd never guess which side was "delayed". This is not yet a common procedure, as it adds a surgery, but in my opinion it should be offered to anyone doing a delayed tissue flap recon who doesn't want the stitched skin paddle look.
The other thing I just wanted to mention is: it's apparently normal to experience some letdown following recon. The reconstructed foobs are reasonable facsimiles; they aren't your breasts. Before surgery, I kept telling myself not to expect too much - and yet I still experienced some inner disappointment. My therapist says that the phase where we see our new selves in the mirror can be the first time we really confront having had breast cancer and having lost precious body part(s). Though the DIEP foobs will be warm and soft to the touch, there's little or no sensation, they may not be shaped like your own breasts, and of course they have surgical scars.
I am NOT trying to discourage anyone - on the contrary! Just be aware that high expectations are likely not to be fully met, no matter how great your PS is - because no one can give you back what you lost. DIEP foobs are still 1,000 times nicer to see and touch than a flat scarred chest (speaking from experience... had that for 8 months).
Cheers and lots of luck to all!
Nan
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Nanorama - well said. I am one month out from unilateral delayed DIEP, and although it is not perfect, I love having something there that is really me. I did have a TE put in in March because I had previously had radiation on that side in 2002 (first time I had a lumpectomy). I am hopeful that in Stage 2 I will regain some symmetry bc right now I have a 13 yr old breast (not very big and very firm) and a saggy 55 yr old breast (it doesn't help things that I gained 75 lbs from 2002 to 2009 and have lost most of it over the last year and a half). I see my PS next Tuesday and hope to find out what is next for me.
I got a camisole with a built in bra that I can step into. It is certainly not perfect, but if I wear loose fitting tops, my breast look somewhat symmetrical. Thank goodness I am not very big, because I'm sure it would be much worse.
One thing I have realized from reading this board is that every situation is a little different and the masterful PSs do the best they can for each one of our unique situations. I appreciate Sue posting pictures last week, but I don't look anything like that.
For those of you that have had surgery most recently - do take it easy and let your body heal. Last week for a couple of days I felt like I went backwards; Monday it was 4 wks and it was like I was a new woman. No pain and I could get around so much easier. Hope everyone has a good weekend - I am going to help my daughter move (nice to have an excuse to not lift a thing).
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all true words!
It was very important to me to wake up with a mound but in retrospect, it just delayed some of the grieving. I am happy with my PS but I put a lot of pressure on myself to get one that could put in a TE at my mx.
I have seen beautiful results from delayed recon and no TE. It definitely a combination of the PS's skill, his/her team, and us as individuals . . genetics, overall health, how our bodies heals, dx etc. It is hard not to compare and hard not to have expectations, especially with all we go through to get to the end of our reconstruction process.
The process of adjusting to my new body is a long one and I'm sure there will more to come; slowly and surely I feel like I'm getting used to what I see and feel. Lately, I've been aware of the weight and how my diep side moves differently from my pre-stage 2 non-diep side.
yes . . .give yourself permission to rest and heal!! everything on the to do list can wait and the healing time is crucial for mind, body, and spirit. Now, how do I take my own advice???
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Hi Mamaoftwo,
I talked to my PS yesterday, and she said that there will be changes to the DIEP breast due to radiation. Some of the tissue will get hard, and likely the flap will shrink by up to 20%. Not the best news, but not horrible. The flap will not die, and she said that possibly, with massage, the fibrous hardness may be reduced over time.
I still haven't heard if I will need radiation, but my research indicates yes. I have an appointment with a radiation oncologist next week.
Suz
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Has anyone had raw blistered skin? I am just over one week post op, and my right breast is messy.. Doctor says it's from mx and the skin is too thin... Would love to see some improvement soon.
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@Betsy ~ I had the same thing in one spot on the underside of my right breast. I'm 5-1/2 wks post op and it is just now healing to the point that it has stopped oozing. I've had dressings and antibiotic ointment on it this whole time. Luckily it doesn't hurt but it does look awful. Ugly, red and scarred. I hope my PS can make it look better somehow in Stage 2.
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My skin was raw and blistered post mx and my doctor was talking excision to try to get it to heal. I started taking vitamin C (2 packets 1000 mg. emergen-C vitamin C powder mixed with water & juice, one in am and one in pm), zinc, and bromelain (you can also eat fresh pineapple). I put myself into absolute rest mode, so nothing but relaxation . . gentle walks okay but no work except that which was absolutely unavoidable, and the blistered area 'magically' started healing up. My doc didn't want me putting anything on it and I kept it open to fresh air whenever possible and no tight anything, so loose camisole with a panty liner stuck to the cami to absorb any ooze.
We heal from the inside out and this surgery is traumatic for our bodies. Even though we may feel great, we need lots of quality rest to heal.
I have some scarring from the blistering but my PS says he may be able to reduce that in stage 2.
There is a evidence based article on the effectiveness of vitamin C, zinc, and bromelain as aids to healing. Vitamin C is the biggie, but the evidence shows that zinc and bromelain support healing as well.
I thought I was resting but I really wasn't and I felt so good that I was doing way too much and had too many people coming and going.
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Yes, Betsy I had raw blistered skin. I am 7 weeks out and have finally stopped constantly oozing. The best thing I found was Curad non stick pads "comparable to Telfa". I could only find 3" x 4" pads so I have to use two each time. I thought I would end up scarred and pitted but my PS and my oncologist both said they think it will heal and smooth over eventually.
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Well that is reassuring... My doctor has me using telfa pads with a&d ointment... I had another blister which was opened when I fell in the shower on Wednesday... What I have now is blistered, bloody oozing, skin... Doctor does not seem concerned. Apparently, you get this when the skin is too thin from the mx... If they get too close.
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hi ladies, im having bmx immediate diep flap recon this wed 8/3. when i was 27 a jealous boyfriend told me he would not ever let me get breast implants. i broke up with him and got what a refer to as "spite" boobs. i went from a 34b to 38c. i waited 17 years before i replaced the implants. i sold my motorcycle because it was too dangerous. i bought new boobies with the $8000. i went from 400cc to 800cc. now i was a 34g or 34 dddd. crazy i know but what the hell. now here it is 3 years later and i find out that my boobs are too dangerous. the opportunity to have insurance give me a sort of breast reduction/tummy tuck is the way i have to think about what is about to happen to me. having had capsular contraction with both sets of implants im kind of a been there done that with the whole implant thing. the thought that i wont have to pay $100 for bras anymore is great, i keep telling my friends that im going to look like i dont have the weight of the world on my chest anymore. i just hope i dont fall over backwards from the weight of my ass. my surgeon told me my implants helped me detect my tumor early. who knew breast implants could help with early detection. so i guess i got my $8000 worth. yesterday i met a girl on the airplane who just had a heart transplant and a leg amputated, she is 19. today my cup is half full instead of half empty. p.s. i believe in donating organs and am signed up for organ donation. the 800cc implants; however, are going to be released back into the wild, they could not be tamed.
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Hi Ladies, for the most part sounds like everyone is doing ok. Positive vibs to those recovering. I hope it is speedy and pain free!!!
To those getting ready for their surgery,wishing you all the best. You can do this and you will be glad you did in the very near future!!! Prayers (((( (HUGS))))) positive vibs to each of you, trust your docs and try not to be anxious everything will go just fine.
I am 11 weeks out of the delayed bi lt DIEP hard to believe time has gone by fast.
Except for stage 2 I am done with everything as of Fri. I had my very last herceptin tx super happy about that !!!
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dontworrybehappy: I hope you much success with your DIEP. I am 2 months out and could not be happier with my decision.
Sue: I am glad that you have finished your treatments.
betsy:The areas on my tummy incision has finally closed. My breast is almost there.
Good vibes to those next in line.
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dontworrybehappy: All the best to you on Wednesday, stay positive, once you get thru week one, it get better everyday!
Yay for you Sue, on to stage 2!! mscal -Glad to hear your incision is on it's way to healing, it will be a thing of the past soon.
Happy Sunday everyone and happy healing ((hugs))
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Nanorama said: "The other thing I just wanted to mention is: it's apparently normal to experience some letdown following recon. The reconstructed foobs are reasonable facsimiles; they aren't your breasts. Before surgery, I kept telling myself not to expect too much - and yet I still experienced some inner disappointment. My therapist says that the phase where we see our new selves in the mirror can be the first time we really confront having had breast cancer and having lost precious body part(s). Though the DIEP foobs will be warm and soft to the touch, there's little or no sensation, they may not be shaped like your own breasts, and of course they have surgical scars."
This bears repeating. This is a process. A LONG process. I'm post stage II and pre Stage IIB and, even after that, there will be tatoos, more swelling, changes and then the exercise, toning and weight loss that will have to come after I'm done with all of the surgeries. Sometime around January 2012 I expect I'll have the body I'm probably going to have for life. I will have to learn what I can wear and "What Not To Wear" (can I just go on that show?). I will have to work around scars when buying baithing suits. I willl have to get to know and love a whole new physical me and also address the emotional me (who has somewhat been put in the background by the positive, strong me). But, I will survive it all. (And, yes, I sing that song ALL of the time.)
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Right on Not Afraid! A friend said to me the other day that I just can't catch a break. I said I am still here. That is the biggest break.
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Suz39: Thanks for the information. A little shrinkage doesn't sound too bad, provided it can be repaired at Stage 2 with some added volume. I have finished 8 out of 28 treatments, and so far, there is no discernable difference in size. Good luck with your appointment; I hope you won't need radiation but at least you are mentally prepared for it.
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Hi all,
So I finally had my appointment with my PS and went through all my options re: stage 2.
My new boob is quite a bit smaller than my natural breast and we talked about a reduction on that one, but finally decided that I would be happier in the long run to add volume and plumpness to the new boob, that being said, she belives that the best outcome for me will be to add a small implant to the new boob, at which point she will also fix the dents and ripples, lift the natual breast and add the nipples....the only disappointing part for me is that to do the small implant, there is a 9 month waiting period before they will open up the incision and go back in, so I'm a little bummed that I will have to wait til March for stage 2....however, I would rather wait and be happier with the end result than do something in the next couple months and regret it.
I guess I'll have to live with the tight smaller boob and padding in my left side of my bra for the next 9 months
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Well, today is 13 days post uni-lateral DIEP, and I'm feeling great! I agree with the ladies above, the key is letting yourself REST!! Stock up on some good books, tape some trash TV you normally feel guilty watching, and lay back.
I've been off the pain meds for 3 days, am walking pretty much straight, tummy flat and tight! I actually feel better with the binder on. Breast not quite as swollen today. One issue I'm having is lack of mobility in my arm. Need to ask the PS what I can do!
For all that recommended them..thanks for the "wife-beater" t-shirt tip!! Can't imagine wearing this binder without them!
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Hi everyone,
I had delayed DIEP procedure on Tuesday, July 12th, just the right side. MX was 1/04/10, and radiation after that. I've read about 30 pages of this thread and want to post my experience, and some things I knew intellectually but really wasn't prepared for:
1. The heat in the ICU. I knew it was kept warm, but I was thinking 75* not 87*-92* - for two days!
2. No fluids by mouth while in ICU - I think I got some ice chips late Wednesday.
3. Because of 1 & 2 I felt so sweaty, dirty, wanted to brush my teeth but that leads to #4.
4. Weakness - It was hard to push the button on the TV remote with my good hand!
5. Pain - I can't do morphine so they gave me Fentanyl - both the PCA pump and a shot every three hours. I spent the first 24 hours just watching the clock for every ten minutes to pass to hit the pump, even though I got no relief. I think I finally fell asleep from pure exhaustion. I felt it was pretty much useless and got no pain relief until I was allowed to take Percocet finally on Thursday.
6. Pain upon movement after being released - I took a percocet just in the evening for about a week, to make sure I would sleep. I was pretty much pain free sitting in the recliner, watching TV. But to get up for a meal, the bathroom or shower exhausted me.
7. I was surprised at the lenght of the stomach incision. I expected hip bone to hip bone, but the incision goes around to the back on both sides.....if I let my arms hang at the side, the incision goes just behind them.
Now, all that being said, I'm still glad I did it for the various reasons already posted - real living tissue, no replacements of implants, flat(ish) tummy. After all, I told myself ahead of time whatever pain or discomfort, it will pass.
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It is so good that you recent diep'ers are sharing your experience! It helps so much to be prepared and not feel surprised.
Keeping warm helps reduce risk of infection. Nothing by mouth in case they need to whisk you back into the OR for repair, very low risk - my PS said about 4% require repair.
The tummy incision is a bit surprising no matter how prepared you think you are! I think that taking it around the hips helps reduce the 'dog ear' effect.
While you are in ICU, take advantage of the one on one (or maybe one per two) ratio while you have it, but even on the regular floor, I used my call button liberally.
My IPOD and headphones were what really got me through! I used a 'hemi-sync' cd called Deep Journeys (there are lots of different hemi-sync cds); it weaves several tracks of music and sythesizer together which works for me when everything else fails. Having this cd on repeat allowed me to doze in and out throughout my hospital stay regardless of lights or noise or people coming and going. I was aware enough that i knew what was going on but able to sleep as much as possible.
My biggest complaint was how sore my butt bones got from sitting in the modified deck chair position for hours and hours the first few days! I should have asked for some kind of padding or brought my husbands memory foam pillow! I did ask the nurses to scoot me up 'cause I kept sliding down. I know some of the hospitals do a better job keeping you padded than others -- my hospital didn't do such a good job.
Kathy
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I guess we are all different and have varied hospital experiences... I actually had hip flaps... Went in thinking i was getting abs and hips, but hips supplied enough fat... And have had little or no real pain.... I never pushed the pain button, and only took percocet after day 2, for 3-4 days to stay ahead of the curve, but now at day 11 i feel great, have done a ton of walking etc... I wonder if the difference is the abs v hips?
And my hospital was an awesome experience... There were only about 5 patients there at any given time, so i got plenty of attention...and never had to be in an ICU... Went straight to my room. And my friend who was with me had a murphy bed, so she was comfortable too... -
PS . . . . I was at my neighbors sitting in one of those zero gravity outdoor lounge chairs and thought about how comfortable it might be for post diep surgery. You can control it with your legs and adjust it to any position. You would want to practice working it ahead of time. It would be much cheaper than a recliner, good air circulation for hot weather, and would be great outdoors after you are done.
Just a thought.
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Hi everyone,
I haven't checked in for a while and I miss the support. I had BMX w/DIEP on June 1. Officially 2 months ago today! The good news is that I am back to my normal crazy work schedule (60 or so hours a week) and have been since July 5th. The bad news is that I am still shocked by my own naked body. I know that I will get past it and I am SOOO grateful that the surgery was such a success...but wow. My hubby is incredible and tells me how great I look all of the time but I am still having ahard time.
I am still wearing Spanx everyday. I don't have to, but I feel more comfortable with them on. I think that as some of the feeling starts to come back in my belly....it is aggravated with clothes rubbing against it. Has anyone else had this issue? It is like a sunburn....I wish I could describe it better!
I am still having the issue with my jaw as well....it was dislocated during surgery by the anesthesiologist. HUGH BUMMER! I am still unable to eat solid food without extreme pain. I drink Ensure everyday, all day, then try solid food at night. I am very frustrated with the lack of progress on my jaw. I have now been referred to a maxil facial surgeon for a possible surgery. I am really upset about that. I have Stage ll scheduled for September 15th and am petrified about anesthesia. The hospital has been awesome and I will be meeting with the head of anesthesia prior to the surgery.
Even after all of this I can tell you that DIEP was the best thing I have ever done. I just want Stage ll to be over with. I am looking forward to moving on. My breasts look amazing and my flat belly is pretty cool. I should stop complaining!
Thanks for everything ladies. Good luck and loads of happy thoughts to all!!
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Wolfe33 - congratulations on getting through DIEP, and being so happy with it, even though you're still recovering. I was shocked though to read your comment about an "accidental jaw dislocation." -Not to add to your stress, but have you thought about legal action for malpractice? Do you know how the anesthesiologist accidentally dislocated your jaw? You might want to consult an attorney; it sounds really painful.
Laura
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Did anyone have neck pain weeks after surgery? Stiff neck started about 2 weeks ago, l iced my neck and it felt better for a short time but now l have pain that shoots up to my ear and the back of my head. I went for my 6 week post op last week and the PS said it's due to sleeping on my back for so long and l need to do stretching excercise to help. I got IcyHot but that stuff is so short term. No fun at all
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@misszed - got any leftover pain meds to deal with the neck discomfort? Would massage help? Hope it gets better soon.
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