Trying to Decide on which Treatment

sbaker776
sbaker776 Member Posts: 2

Hey. I'm new to this site but am finding it very helpful.  I was diagnosed on 7/8/11 with DCIS.  I am having a difficult time figuring out which way to treat my cancer.  I am BRCA negative thank goodness!  Part of me wants to go with a BMX just to be rid of the entire threat for recurrence.  The other part of me is considering a Lumpectomy with Mammosite Radiation Therapy.  I've seen a General Surgeon that recommends a Mastectomy.  I have appts next week with General Surgeons that have an Oncology specialty.  They both do Mammosite procedures.  My cancer is so small that it seems BMX to be overkill but I don't want to live in fear the rest of my life.  My question to the forum is how did you come to the decision that was best for you?

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  • mom3band1g
    mom3band1g Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2011

    I wanted a lumpectomy, no question.  I did not want to lose my breast.  In the end I had to have a mastectomy.  I would never choose that if at all possible to avoid.  DCIS, in it's current state, will not harm you.  You have low grade and a small amount I wouldn't hesitate to go with a lumpectomy and radiation.  I did have radiation after my mast and it was not too bad.  A mast is major surgery and affected me emotionally very hard.  You can always go back and have a mast but one cannot be undone.  A numb chest and fake boobs are no substitute for the real thing.  Have you looked at the Van Nuys scale?  Good luck with your decision. I know it's not an easy one. 

     I do know there are many women who have had a mast and are happy with their decisions.  I wish I was one of them.  I am just giving my opinion/ experience!  Such a personal and difficult decision!

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited July 2011

    Hi Sbaker776:  I'm really sorry you have to be here at all considering this means you have bc (at it's most basic, non-invasive form but still bc)!  But I totally understand your question because I've been exactly where you are... And here is my BEST advice... get a second opinion on the tissue samples to be sure you are dealing with DCIS grade 1 AND  please add a therapist to you list of specialists... here's why... so many people have so many suggestions and even the closest people in your life, who are making suggestions because they love you, and this might feel overwhelming BECAUSE you need to hear your own voice right now... get as much information as you can and then search to the bottom of your soul --  then and only then make a decision... A therapist's job is to help you hear your own voice and honestly I don't know why, when all of the specialists are suggested (bs, ps, oncologist, genetisist etc ect) a therapist is not the primary on that list..  You have time with this dx and please take the time to get to your best solution - the best solution for YOU..

    I guess I can add, without mudding the waters, that I didn't do what I have recommended to you above, and I tried to sift through all the specialists recommendations and I listened to everyone's suggestions... I heard a lot of "if you were my wife" from the doctor's who are suppose to be impartial...  And finally out of sheer desperation and fear I choose to have a bilateral mastectomy... i've regretted it since and truly feel that I have over treated.. My first response was to do a "watch and wait" which would mean an MRI every 6 months to a year .. This is of course my own experience an many women here will tell you that same decision was the best for her.. That's the trick - each cancer stage and grade is different and each individual is a unique persons with their own fears, hopes, dreams and so it requires an excellent review of your own soul to truly understand how to proceed...  Take good care! Best, Deirdre

  • mom3band1g
    mom3band1g Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2011

    Deirdre- excellent advice on the therapist!  It blows my mind that this is not mandatory.  You are asked to make these life altering decsions when you are scared out of your mind.  I am still pissed about my mastectomy, even though I know it was necessary, and have been to a counselor who specializes in bc.  I wish I had gone before surgery.

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited July 2011

    Thanks Mom3... We do have to deal with the outcome and when we think our experience was shaped by someone other than ourselves (and we don't always recognize that until after the fact) it really takes a great deal to get out from under the MASSIVE decision that we feel we are, in many cases, forced to make!!!  I would just add to you Mom3 that you can STILL go to therapy now and although it certainly won't help get back your breasts it may help you adjust to that incredible loss...  Best, Deirdre

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited July 2011

    SBaker--I had lumpectomy and mammosite radiation in February for DCIS, Grade 3.  I have not regretted it.  I know if it returns it will be a masectomy but then again it may never return.  When I asked my BS if he thought I should  have a masectomy he said it would be overkill at this point.  Good luck with your decision.  If you have any more questions let me know.  Becky

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited July 2011

    sbaker, you don't give your age, which makes a difference. If you're under 35, it could be a good idea to have a BMX because BC at a young age is significant. But if you're over 50 it's a different deal. 

    My diagnosis, at age 58, was similar to yours. I never considered an MX or BMX, but after my lumpectomy I found out that one never really gets feeling back in the skin of the chest after MX. If I'd been considering MX, that would have made me decide against it.

    With my lumpectomy I lost no feeling at all. The only difference pre- and post-lumpectomy is that I have a pink parenthesis-shaped scar on one breast that I assume will eventually fade to near invisibility.  

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited July 2011

    sbaker, I just saw this post on another one of the boards.

    "When I see people opting for BMX for a small case of DCIS, I wonder if they know the whole picture. The amount of tissue removal with potential for scarring, infection, and the very extensive disruption of the lymphatic system, these are reasons to consider a more conservative surgery. You only have to read the posts from women who went through a reconstruction, had problems, finally giving up and having the whole thing taken out and opting for flat ... when you realize it's not a sure thing at all."

  • jammies
    jammies Member Posts: 34
    edited July 2011

    Cycle-Path,

     I don't want to misinterpret your statement...can you explain what you mean by a diagnosis of BC under 35 is significant?  Thanks! 

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited July 2011

    Basically what I intended to communicate is that the younger you are, the more it is appropriate to treat BC very aggressively. 

  • mamabooth
    mamabooth Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2011

    I was diagnosed with DCIS Stage O in December 2009.  I had a double nipple/skin sparing mastectomy.  I was not given an option to have a lumpectomy because my original breasts were so small (Size A+ on a good day) AND the doctors were not sure in how many places the DCIS was going to be found.  That being said - I am soooooo glad I had a double mastectomy.  I did not have to have any radiation or take any cancer drugs BECAUSE I had chosen to have both breasts removed.  YES, ABSOLUTELY, it was a truly horrific process while I was going through it but now that I am one and half years post surgery, I am absolutely thrilled to NEVER, NEVER, NEVER have to deal with a Breast Cancer diagnosis again.  My breasts look great because I was able to save my skin and nipples.  You can't even tell that I had the surgery.  They just look like great, fake boobs.  As an extra note, my plastic surgeon recommended liposuction also to add fat to my breast skin.  That added something extra so that you can't tell I have had the surgery.  I know it is hard to choose, but know there are many of us out there that are thrilled that we got it over with once and for ALL!

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited July 2011

    I will say that if someone has to do a bilateral mastectomy it probably does help the process to have nipple sparing.. when I went through mine though there wasn't anyone in town that could do nipple sparing and my primary care doc didnt' want me to leave town (he was concerned he wouldn't be able to help if something went wrong"... today though and of course hind sight being 20/20... I would have left town to get the nipple sparing skin sparing mx...

  • mom3band1g
    mom3band1g Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2011

    No to be a downer but even with a mast there is a small chance for recurrence. Nothing is 100%.  You could still need rads.  Things happen. 

    The ladies who were able to have the nipple sparing look amazing!  If I could have done that route I would have.  Not an option for me though.  My DCIS literally went nipple to chest wall.  I had small breasts to begin with, not even an A, and a lumpectomy WAS an option when we thought it was just a 1cm palpable lump.  SMall breast size does not rule out a lumpectomy.

  • LinSea
    LinSea Member Posts: 150
    edited July 2011

    sbaker, I am sorry you are in this place, but go slow and check out all of your options.  Only you know what threshold of "uncertainty" you can live with.  At 48, I was dx with DCIS in June 2004, I decided I would rather have a lumpectomy and then close monitoring (every quarter) than do a mx. 

    I got married on June 12 and had my lumpectomy on July 1, 2004.  They didn't get clear margins, so did a second lumpectomy two weeks later. The surgeon cut around my nipple and eventually you couldn't even tell where the scar was.  My oncologist was very forward thinking and advised me to NOT have radiation.  His thinking was if the DCIS comes back it will be very early because of all of my testing and it I needed a mx, the skin would be better without having had radiation.  So every four months for the past seven years I have been testing--either an MRI, ultra sound, or mamo.  It is a roller coaster emotionally, but one I was able and willing to do.  In 2009 I had to have another biopsy, it was benign.  This past January they found four spots and after another lumpectomy in January 2011, I finally came to this place of "I can't do this any more."  But I had seven years of breasts that had feeling!  My oncologist finally said this past April, "we fought a good fight, but now it is time to consider a bilateral mx."  I was able to have a nipple and skin sparing mastectomy on June 27.  I am now in the reconstruction stage with expanders and will soon switch out to implants.  The decision to have the mx was so difficult because I didn't want a numb chest or fake boobs. Over these seven years, I was glad to have my breasts and was thankful for all of the diagnostic tools my oncologist could use to be sure I was cancer-free. 

    We consulted with two different oncologists and two surgeons.  I think it is easy to get swept away in a river right now and go where the current takes you, but take all of the information you learn and if you have a partner or friend who can help be your advocate take them with you. I knew I was with the right oncologist when he started a tape recorder during our first meeting.  He said you don't have a great capacity right now to even hear what I am telling you, so go home and listent to this tape several times.  

    I made the right choice for myself seven years ago, and a month ago I made the right choice for where I am today. My heart is with you as you make these decisions. Keep asking questions!  Best, Lindsey

  • sbaker776
    sbaker776 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2011

    Thanks ladies!  All of your comments have been helpful.  Cycle-Path... I'm 38.  Deirdre... I had my first suspicious mam at 37. Did the wait and see game which led to my results from my follow-up mam. Therapy is a GREAT suggestion.   I have 2 consults tomorrow with surgeons that specialize in onocolgy.  

     I also want to say Kudos to each of you for being a good support system on this site and offering advice related to your own situations. 

     Stephanie

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited August 2011
    sbaker -- good for you for getting opinions from others. BTW, since you're only 38 I do see why BMX is being recommended. You might want to look at the Van Nuys Prognostic Index Worksheet and see what it recommends. You'll have to make some assumptions about surgical margins and such, but it's helpful in seeing what factors go into decision making.
  • DeeLJ
    DeeLJ Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2011

     I went back and forth a lot on my decision. My immediate, gut-reaction was 'get 'em off me!" but I made myself sit, think, research, journal, make pro and con lists and I saw a medical oncologist, a radiation oncologist, my breast surgeon, and a plastic surgeon. I talked to other people with similar diagnosis and medical professionals that are not even in oncology. I listened to everything each specialty had to say, took notes and really took time to look deep into my own mind.

    Every single doctor told me that whatever decision I make, it will ultimately be the right one for me. No one pressured me to choose their solution over another, although it was hinted by the medical team that a bmx for something the size of a sesame seed might be a little overkill. 

    I prefer overkill. Being that I am 'only' 42...to me, that is too long a time to give the cancer a chance to return.I don't do well with the watch and wait...if I'd gone with rads and tamox and close followup I know I would be a basket case. My husband has been living with leukemia for ten years and I honestly don't know how he stands it; just waiting and getting tested now and then with the knowledge that someday it's going to rear its ugly head. I can't do that personally.

    I had my surgery 8 days ago and yes, it was hard to do physically but emotionally and mentally once they were gone I feel I can finally relax. My patho report after the mastectomy showed 'florid hyperplasia' which in and of itself just means cells that are changing and not cancer but my surgeon said we absolutely did the right thing, as it was likely not a chance of 'if' it would come back, but 'when'.

    A couple days before my surgery, a family member suggested to me that I get therapy to 'figure out why' I seem so 'anxious' to remove my breasts. When I told him it was because I had CANCER he said that my resistance to therapy shows that I am not doing this for the right reasons. I told him see ya on the other side and chose to keep him out of further discussions. I have no arguement with therapy at all, I've had it several times over the years for various reasons, but I use this to illustrate my point that we all have to come to decisions our own way, on our own terms. Definitely talk to someone if you need to; it just wasn't somethign I personally needed to do.

    People kept telling me that I would know when the decision was made, that I would feel it somehow emotionally. I didn't beleive them. I would change my mind hour to hour sometimes and it was always something I was debating with myself no matter if I was at work, home, or whereever. But one day it really did happen...one morning getting ready for work, I realized I was singing along with the radio which is something I hadn't done since I got my diagnosis. I got to work and a couple coworkers told me I looked different, better somehow. It was then I realized that the decision had settled and that I knew I was on the right path. Sounds all new-agey and whatnot but it really happened (and I'm pretty new-agey anyway lol)

     I had to give up sensation, nipples, and body parts that nourished my children. But honestly, for ME, it was exactly the right thing to do.I think it was harder for my husband to accept my decision that it was for me to do it, but ultimately, he is 100% on board with me.

    Give yourself time to think, meditate, journal..whatever it takes to get in contact with the authentic YOU because well meaning friends and relatives--and even us on this board!--can only give you our experiences and thoughts through our own eyes..you need to filter through your own worldview and come to terms with what will be the best thing for you. I know you will get there.

  • identtwins
    identtwins Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2011

    I was diagnosed with dcis 10/10.  I was 45 yo.  I had a chocie of lumpectomy with 35 radiation txs and 5 years of tamoxifin.  I had a double mastectomy.  Maybe it was over kill but being a registered nurse and reading all the personal stories here I decided I did not want radiation or take a med for 5 years.  Then possibily delaying reconstruction because of a radiated breast or failed implant.  Last but not least I did not want to do all this and worry about it coming back.  So BMX was the only choice for me.   Think long and hard about your options.  Reconstruction is not easy by any means but I am happy with results so far.  Good luck to each and every one of us going through this.  Love to everyone

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited August 2011

    The decision-making part of this journey is among the hardest things, and the only right decision is what you know in your heart is the right one for you based on the information available. I had a lumpectomy and rads and turned down tamoxifen. I'm in my 40s and knew I wanted to keep the breast.

    Reaching a state of inner peace is so important, and I am happy that there has not been a single day that I've regretted the decisions I've made (although every day I do think about bc every day). 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited August 2011

    I think you have good advice here.  I would just like to second the comments re lumpectomy being possible for small boobed women---that sort of thing really depends on the skill of your surgeon.  I had what sounds like a considerable amount removed (size of a large egg) and yet, 1.5 years later, I can't even tell.  As my surgeon told me, it is possible to "rearrange" stuff there so its not noticeable.  I would say that I would NOT go to a regular general surgeon unless I had no other alternative.  This is not a simple thing--its a specialty for a reason--boobs are complicated and doing a good job requires skill and, I think, experience.  If you have anyway of finding a breast surgeon, I would say go for it.

    I did decide to go for lumpectomy and not mastectomy.  For me, mastectomy meant major surgery, a major surgery which would not guarantee that I never got breast cancer again.  I have experience with major surgery (hysterectomy for fibroids when I was 44.  The recovery took FOREVER and I hated feeling that way.  I couldn't imagine going through it again unless I absolutely had to.  Plus I did a lot of reading on complications and SEs related to mastectomy and decided---given what I was told were my chances of a reoccurance of my breast cancer--that it wasn't worth it.   It seemed to me, my chances of complications from a mastecomy were greater than my chances of a reoccurance.  I was willing to live with the uncertainty and all the monitoring to skip all the risks for the significantly more complicated surgery.

    Lastly, the decision became easier when I met the right surgeon.  I couldn't make a decision and felt so overwhelmed when I was gathering information and going with surgeon A.  And I couldn't put my finger on the problem.  Then--per insistance of a doctor friend--I set up another set of consultations at a different breast center and I set up an appointment with another breast surgeon at the same place I was at.  I never made it to the second set of consultations---when I met breast surgeon number 2, I felt completely comfortable and able to make the decision.

    good luck!

  • LinSea
    LinSea Member Posts: 150
    edited August 2011

    3monstmama, you nailed it.  "when you met breast surgeon #2, I felt completely comfortable and able to make the decision."  We are trusting these doctors with OUR lives!!  My breast surgeon told me "this is a sacred journey." She gets it!  I had my NSBM on June 27 and we have not felt good about the ps in our post operative visits.  I didn't follow my own advice Always trust what your heart knows. I went along with this ps becuase he had been recommed to me, but never felt a deep connection or trust. 

    Today we consulted with a new ps and he said to me "it is my job to worry, not yours."  He is detail oriented, a perfectionist, and has pride in a job well done.  He is purposing to switch out the expanders because the ones my ps used are the wrong size and shape.  As much as I don't want another surgery, I heard between the lines that he believes this is a sacred journey too.  I know he will accomplish what he's told me he can do.My decision is made.  Ahhhhhhh.......

  • mommichelle
    mommichelle Member Posts: 191
    edited August 2011

    Just wanted to add my opinion.  It is so hard and everyone needs to do what they most feel comfortable with.  I had extensive DCIS in my right breast and almost needed to have a mastectomy.  Glad I did, there was a lot of DCIS and a very small 4mm invasion.  My only regret is that I did not have both done.  Looking back, I would have opted for that...I think this fall I will be going to have the other removed.  I can not live with the what ifs.  I know that they say the chance of having cancer in both breasts is small, but I have read enough people who say  they are 5, 10, 15, even 20 years out having a new primary on the other side.  I am 37, no family history, relatively healthy, no drinking, no smoking, no BRCA mutation.  What ever my right breast has been exposed to, so has my left.  I am sad to have to go through the hassle of another surgery and I so wish I had done them both at the same time.  Yes, it would have been overkill, but my piece of mind needs it.  I wish you the best in making this hard decision.

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