Change to COBRA
Hi. Just want to share an experience I've just had so hopefully nobody else will get caught in this mess. I was laid off on June 30 and I had to request COBRA information from my employer which I got about 10 days later. I had already been denied services at physical therapy because it showed I had no insurance. I had to get my Tamoxifen filled and Walgreen's said I had no insurance so I had to pay cash, and yes right now 61.00 matters to me. I called the benefits office and they said as soon as all the paper work was in place on their end they would notify me and I could go to the pharmacy and get a refund. Well Walgreen's just refused to give me a refund saying they only do that for 7 days and I got the Tamoxifen 9 days ago. They said I could request an exception but the pharmacy told me it could take 3 months. Now I am trying to get the money back from the faceless COBRA administrator my former employer uses. COBRA is not a seamless answer to health care as we are lead to think. I am paying more than 900.00 a month for COBRA almost my entire unemployment check. I now have out of pocket expenses and my doctor's offices are in a tizzy trying figure out billing. During the last few weeks I had a liver panel come back abnormal and I my doctor requested an ultrasound. I had to beg the hospital to do it. So please, if any of you are looking at an impending layoff request COBRA information so you have it in your hands on your last day, employers actually have 30 days to give you the information, but if you need medical care during that time you may be denied or have to pay out of pocket. Just be prepared, I was not. I was assured it would be an easy process with no disruption of care. It has not been so.
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Hi!
Just wanted to share a little information with you that hopefully might help. I don't know if the laws differ in Massachusets than where you are but here, any expenses paid out of pocket while you are transitioning to COBRA are reimbursed by the insurance company. You have up to 60 days from the date of termination to sign up for COBRA and any expenses paid out of pocket during those 60 days are reimbursed if you do sign up with COBRA. If you choose not to sign up with COBRA then you don't get reimbursed but seeing as you are signed up with COBRA you should get reimbursed for any expenses you paid out of pocket. In addition, in Massachusetts we have a medical security program for people who are on unemployment. If you are on unemployment and your income falls below a certain amount for 6 months, this program reimburses 80% of your COBRA premiums. This is only available to people on unemployment so you should definitely check with your unemployment office. While the reimbursement doesn't come through them, your unemployment office should have some information on this.
Good luck!
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Kew: Your COBRA seems outrageously expensive if it is just for one person and not for a family. If you are looking for insurance just for yourself, why don't you check the new "pre-existing" insurance rates available for your state. Also call your state's Insurance Commisioner's office and ask them what other insurance is available for someone in your predicament. I have to do some research and look up the name of one my state's insurance office gave me when I was checking for a relative. I don't think it had the dreaded "six month's clause" in it like the one our brainy gov officials came up with. Our country is in an apathetic state when it comes to health insurance available for people who lose their jobs and "must" have health insurance coverage. COBRA can be unaffordable for most people and yet we have little us we can use. Best of luck to you!
Kew: I found the info I was given as an alternative to COBRA. It is called Key Access and can be reached by calling 1-866-405-6145. The man I spoke to at our State's Insurance department said one should get a quote and compare it to the COBRA rates. Make sure it covers prescriptions. They were not available when I called and was told to call back. I decided to stay with the COBRA (at this time) and never called back. I don't know if it will be worthwhile for you but it might be another option for you to check out.
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Thank you both for your helpful responses. Yes, my payment is high as I had great insurance at my former job and COBRA is 103% of your total premium. I have one son on with me and I'm trying to get his father to take him on his policy. I have contacted the state insurance pool, but have not been given the same response when I've called and I'm trying now to figure out if I qualify. I keep seeing that I need to be uninsured for a period of time before I would qualify and one person told me since COBRA was available to me I wouldn't qualify. I will keep working on this. I truly appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
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My experience with COBRA has been that you have the same coverage; if you did not have co-pays before, you should not have them now. I also thought that the employer by law has to give you the COBRA information without a request. It has been awhile since I worked HR issues but that is how it was not too long ago...
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Actually, $900 is pretty realistic for 1 parent-1 child family these days, and ain't that a kick in the head!
They do have to give you the paperwork, but they have 30 days to get everything set up. I know it is incredibly stressful, but these are really pretty responsive time frames.
As KEW said, just, be prepared.
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Insurance is paid, generally one month in advance, so you should have been covered through July if you were laid off 6/30.
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KEW - I was told the same thing you were: that it was an easy process with no disruption of care. Yeah, right. I'm going through the same COBRA nightmare. Was terminated due to disability (used up all of the company LTD) on 6/30/11. They gave me 4 days notice of termination and the actual process states I should have been given 2 months. Due to miscommunication with the company (actually from) I received the COBRA application about 3 weeks later. I mailed them 2 business days after I received them and that was on 7/25. However, I have had 2 appointments - 1 with onc, 2 herceptin infusions, 1 zometa infusion and 1 faslodex in the month of July. When these are processed through the provider, they will be denied due to drop in coverage and I will receive a bill. However, I contacted the provider, informed them of the wait due to COBRA and asked them to rebill. Once on COBRA, the bills should be paid retroactively or one can pay out of pocket, submit the bill for reimbursement from the insurance company. But at close to $6K per appointment, that isn't possible. While I would get lots of points on my credit card, it isn't worth the interest.
So, if you get bills, just contact the billing department to rebill and explain the COBRA issue you have. They may be willing to do that. Don't worry, you will be covered retroactively. A real pain in the a$$. And remember to pay the future COBRA premiums as soon as you can so it doesn't happen again. If the billing department isn't willing to rebill, maybe you could make a small payment out of "good faith" then ask them to rebill the insurance company.
Another big problem as you wrote about, KEW, is prescription coverage. I'm almost out of Tykerb and since the pharmacy has my insurance listed as expired, I have to pay out of pocket. Tykerb is ~$3000+ for a 30 day supply. And I can't get just a few days or a couple of weeks worth. Guess I'll go without for a little while - hopefully it won't hurt. But again, if you pay for your Rx, submit the receipt once COBRA is active and you will be reimbursed. I just hope I have enough painkillers to get me through this time otherwise I'll have no choice but to pay out of pocket.
This is all information I received from my ex-employer and I'm concerned because they have been giving me wrong answers to most of my questions so far. But in further research, the retro-active payments is correct.
Your premiums are extraordinarily high! And unfortunately with a cancer diagnosis finding lower cost coverage is next to impossible. There are options out there but I believe at least one requirement is to be uninsured for 6 months - who can do that? I have similar coverage to you - really great coverage but have to pay 102% of the company's premiums. Just me alone is $412 a month - doubled if I carried my husband (which I did carry all of the insurance). Hopefully your son's father will put him on his plan and you can just split the copays/deductibles - that will reduce your premium considerably. Luckily my DH can get insurance through his employer which is much cheaper than COBRA but he is in construction so he gets laid off quite a bit and will have to go through this mess himself. I'm not going on his insurance because the out-of-pocket expenses are actually more than my COBRA premiums and out of pocket max. And my onc isn't one of their providers, which sucks.
nowords is right - your coverage should be exactly the same as it was - same copays, deductibles, etc. I'm really banking on that. We'll see what next year brings, though.
Good Luck to you. So sorry to be so wordy.
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nowords - insurance isn't paid in advance. That's what I thought too. I am not covered for anything in July (term date 6/30) until COBRA kicks in and pays retroactively.
My advice is if you can afford it, pay for the August premium NOW even if the COBRA application isn't complete.
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KEW, just to let you know I get my tamoxifen at Walmart, a 30 day supply less then $10.00.
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KEW: Sorry to hear you are having such a lousy time sorting out your COBRA coverage. I'm sure you could do without the added stress.
$61 seems like a ridiculous price for Tamoxifen. I pay $15.99 at RiteAid for a 90-day supply. I don't have Rx drug coverage but even when I did, it was cheaper to pay out of pocket for Tamoxifen than to go through insurance with co-pay. My co-pay was $10 but I could only do 30-day supply at a time with insurance, so it would have been $30 for 90-day supply.
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