February 2011 chemo pals

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  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited July 2011

    Jen - I've always had swelling of my feet in the hot humid chicago summers but this year it's really bad! It started about 2 weeks ago (around 10th taxol). If I'm on my feet at all or walk when it's hot my ankles and feet swell up! I have to elevate them and they are usually ok by morning! Just another gift from the BC gods.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    My swelling was definitely from Taxotere.  It was/is pretty severe and still happening 6 weeks PFC.  I am on a diuretic at a low dose but depending on the day it doesn't always help.  I have been swelling significantly more since I returned to work about 2 weeks ago.  I am on my feet a lot and I think this is not helping!  I was having a lot of radiating pain in my node arm but that has dissipated in the last week so maybe progress is being made.  MO felt that the pain came from swelling in the arm (from Tax, not LE) and nerves being pinched.

  • mamaoftwo
    mamaoftwo Member Posts: 267
    edited July 2011

    Starting radiation tomorrow.  I'm very nervous.. but understand it's painless and quick.

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    SpecialK - did you get your repeated lab results?  Praying for great results this time around.

    Mamaoftwo - I just posted to you on another thread.  Rads is troublesome, but hasn't been too terribel to me so far.  I'm 14/33 and no huge issues as of now.  Good Luck tomorrow!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited July 2011

    Yes, mamaoftwo, good luck with the rads &  God bless!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    pejkug - Thanks for thinking of me.  I asked last Thurs. when I went for the repeated lab and my Herceptin tx when the results would be back and they said Monday or Tuesday.  My understanding of the process is that my MO gets an email when the lab comes back and he has to review it before I can get a copy of it.  Last time I ended up speaking to him on the phone directly on another subject and that is when he told me about the unusually high result of the first one.  If I have not heard from him by later this afternoon I will call the office.  I am having my TE replacement surgery tomorrow so I will be distracted after that!

    mamaoftwo - good luck with rads.  Most people seem to have said once you get started it is fine - like anything new there is nervous anticipation.

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2011

    mamaoftwo- I've had 21 rads treatments and I'm holding up well. 12 more to go. My skin is dark in areas and my breast is a little red but nothing too bad. Ive only noticed slight itching a couple of times. I just lather, lather, lather!

    Special K- good luck with your surgery tomorrow!

    charlottesmama- Yay for being done! Congrats! I didn't even get a great job for being done. The nurse just unhooked me and walked away and that was that...I don't know if they even knew it was my last one. Oh well. 

    Divine- sorry about your results! =( 

  • mamaoftwo
    mamaoftwo Member Posts: 267
    edited July 2011

    Hi Melanie Ann- that is so reassuring!  What are you using to do all that lathering?

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2011

    I use Miaderm as soon as I'm done..before I put my clothes back on. Throughout the day I either use more of that or 100% Aloe...it all depends on how I'm feeling or whats closest. At night I've been using Aquaphor. I know that others claim that other stuff works better..but I've had good luck so far. My insurance didn't cover anything by prescription.

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    I'm glad you're doing well with rads, Melanie!  I'm 16/33 and doing well with it as well.  My RO was happy with my skin today - it's just the tiniest hint of pink - and told me to keep doing whatever I'm doing.  It was a huge relief because I got som many lectures about how"large breasted women generally do poorly with rads"...blah.  But so far, so good.  Th RO said weeks 3-4 are when skin reactions generally occur.  Has that been your experience?

    SpecialK - any news?

  • mamaoftwo
    mamaoftwo Member Posts: 267
    edited July 2011

    Ok sounds good; I just ordered Miaderm mail order and will use aquaphor in the meantime. I'll look into the cream Pejkug mentioned on the July rads forum (Omaz cream). 

    I had rad #1 this morning.  Didn't realize there would be a 45 minute wait and I was so stressed to begin with to get to my 10am meeting.  I don't think the lead technician and I started off on the right foot.  I need to stop worrying about work - it is so very unimportant right now.

    Special K- let us know how you're doing when you can.

  • Jen1832
    Jen1832 Member Posts: 61
    edited July 2011

    Special K - Wishing you well on your surgery today!

    charlottesmama - Welcome to the PFC club!

    I opted for a bmx, otherwise I would have had rads.  Will continue to pray for the ladies dealing with that.

    Thanks for the hints about swelling.  I am still having some, mostly in my hands and lower legs.  The onc nurse told me that my kidney function was low on my last labs and that could be part of the problem.  She said to drink lots of water and elevate my feet.  I am SO TIRED of water.  I am so trained to drink water through the night (from chemo).  Does anyone else do that?  I never did that before chemo.

    One more thing, I am getting my port out on Friday...woo hoo!  I know it is a baby step...but it is a STEP!

  • Jen1832
    Jen1832 Member Posts: 61
    edited July 2011

    One more comical thing.  I am using my emla cream to numb my fill sites before expansions.  It is so funny to go to the bathroom at work, flip out the girls, use a magnet to find the TE ports, slap on the cream and cover it with saran wrap.  The things we do to get through this, goodness.

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited July 2011

    Hello Sisters, 

    Thought I'd drop in.  Our dog has been sick, I think I mentioned he was at the vet hospital over last weekend.  He's 14 years old, went to hospital because having tremendous trouble getting up and walking, plus he got diarrhea for a couple weeks and was reluctant to eat, so that made his walking ability zero.  The vet did not change that situation, but releasaed him because we missed him. 

    Well, the doc gave him a steroid shot, gave us steroid pills, plus an anti-diarrheal kao-pectatetype stuff, and an antacid.  Through tremendous effort, WE have managed to get that dog up to where he walks by himself for short distances, and a large hot spot on his rear we cleared that up by cleaning and putting lotion, and we have finally found foods he will wolf down.  We've been working so hard with the dog, we have "shifts," that the seriousness of the situation yanked me right out of my post-chemo whining mode, and eventually my will to fix the dog made my aches stop, altho I'm still exhausted.  We are on the fence about putting the dog down, but will keep fighting as long as he improves and doesn't go downhill.  So, that's where I'm at in my personal life.

    Seems like someone was asking about swelling of hands and feet.  My feet have been that way for years on account of I have peripheral neuropathy from my busted up back problems.  But it's raging now from the chemo.  The one thing that helps my feet feel better, but not sure it helps swelling, is to sit on the side of the tub with my feet under lukewarm to coolish water, just sit there and let the water soothe and cool my feet.  I dry them off, put some kinda lotion on them, and I get right on the couch and put my feet up on a pillow.  My hands, cool water again in the sink, lotion.  I massage both feet and hands a couple times a day, trying to run along where the nerves go, I am hoping feeling will return to them.  But basically they've remained swollen and red.  My swollen arms and its redness has really settled and I didn't really do anything to them, so I guess it's all just the way chemo does.

    All of you who are struggling with more surgery, more chemo, lousy lab reports, and so forth, I really feel for you, having to keep pushing when you have nothing left to give.  I guess my dog Gandalf is my lousy lab report!  At least he didn't get sick while I was in the midst of chemo, is what I tell myself when I pick our 75-pound Siberian Husky off the floor for the fifth time on a bad day.  But we all do what we gotta do, I guess, until we wind up in the hospital.  My surgery is in less than two weeks, I'll be SO glad to get that boob off of there, really don't like the idea of having cancer on me.  I just hope our dog is much better by then, I couldn't stand the thought of him not being here when I get home, and I told husband he just wouldn't be able to give him ALL the good care we've been giving him, until I get straight.  Maybe I should hire someone to help me AND the dog... an RN who breeds dogs?  Smile.

    Until next time, love Gail

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2011

    pejkug3- I really got red just this week. And mostly under my armpit. The first comment they made on how red I was, was just yesterday and that was treatment number 22. I've had 23 so far. My armpit is getting pretty tender and the doc looked at it today. He said just keep using the cream. I only have 5 more treatments to that area so I think it's going to survive. So I have 5 more regular treatments, then 5 boosts to the tumor bed. Oh, and I only started getting a little itchy a couple of days ago. I just use cream and it helps!

    mamaoftwo- I get really stressed waiting too. Most of the time b/c i have physical therapy afterwards and I have to drive about 40 minutes to get there. Then I have to work the rest of the day. I just stress trying to fit it all in my schedule and get enough sleep too. I had labs on tuesday and they took so long that I just walked out. The nurse manager called me to find out what happend, and I told her I couldn't wait that long. (it had been an hour and a half!) I had missed my radiation appt and had to wait for the next available one. I was there for 2.5 hours. I was so stressed. I told her I just can't deal with that right now, and work full time at the same time. She said she understood. Ugh...I think I'm hormonal too...lol. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    Hi ladies,

    Thanks for your concern, means so much to me.  I had my surgery yesterday afternoon.  All seems to have gone well.  My PS put the left side TE back but possibly did not fill it even to the 120 cc that is in the right side as it appears flatter.  I have only peeked at it, it is covered with gauze and I woke up with one of those compression bra things on.  I am thinking that he left it with less saline in it so that the incision would heal without pressure since I had issues previously.  When we spoke prior to the surgery he did not mention this plan, and I did not talk to him after the surgery, so I will have to wait until I go for the post-op.  That being said, it looks good and the skin is smoother (not the raisin I had before!) so I am happy.  I am in more pain than I thought I would be and had a hard time staying asleep last night.  I made a serious dent in the recordings on my DVR.  Also, I will be putting in a call to my MO today to see if he has looked at my repeat CA 27/29.

    jen1832 - I am stealing the emla cream idea prior to fills, excellent! I went to work the other day with mine and had to put it on my port an hour before leaving to get Herceptin. People at work were like what the heck?

    dogeyed - sorry about your puppy - I know how hard it is. I put down my 17 year old cat about 18 months ago. He was like one of my children - loved that cat. He never left my side, I moved him all over the country, he grew up with my kids, was part of the family. His picture was always on our Christmas letter, I miss him terribly. The dog has tried to take his place but he isn't as cuddly - cat weighed 9 pounds, dog 50 pounds. Know I am thinking of you.

    mamaoftwo - sorry your rads got off to a rocky start. You were probably more stressed because it was your first and had the pressure of trying to make a subsequent meeting. I was surprised I waited in the lobby at the hospital for 30 minutes yesterday. We had car problems on the way there (only 10 miles from home) and at one point DH was behind the car pushing it but it re-started and we made it. We had this problem once before - it is one of those little computer things that makes the gas and engine communicate. Of all days! I was picturing myself running down the side of the road to get there on time! As usual, ridiculousness surrounds me! I shared your stress! I actually resigned on Monday. I realized that I could not do my job to the best of my ability and take care of my health, and it has to take priority right now. Between Herceptin every third week, now fills at the PS downtown (40 minute drive) and physical therapy for my node arm, I could not work my full shifts every week which is not fair to my boss and co-workers. My job was physical and stressful so I think it was the right decision, but it was hard to do. They have all been great to me there and were so happy when I came back on 7/1. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    Hey,

    Me again!  Just got off the phone with MO.  CA 27/29 dropped from 63 to 45, normal high range is 39.  He says we will watch it but thinks it is inflammation related, possibly from my sore node arm.  The arm discomfort has improved and may account for the improvement in the test.  He says he will repeat it further down the road and see what it says.  The number would be skewed now because of yesterday's surgery.

  • sewingnut
    sewingnut Member Posts: 1,129
    edited July 2011

    SpecialK,

    My onc does the tumor marker test with each blood draw. Mine has gone up and came back down. Any type of inflammation will cause it to go up. I would guess chemo would be considered an inflammation! Glad your surgery went well. Here's to growing some hair  =;0)  joann

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    sewingnut - I have been over on the hair, hair, hair thread and my triplets all have a lot more hair than I do!  I did just have to shave my legs 2 days in a row though (I shaved them for surgery - I know that makes absolutely no sense), so maybe that is progress.  Maybe the top of my head hasn't gotten the word yet!  It figures the thing I am watching the most is growing the slowest!  On the marker - the good news is that it is lower and almost in the normal range.  I am not panicking until the MO does and he is pretty chill.

  • dragonfly1
    dragonfly1 Member Posts: 766
    edited July 2011

    SpecialK So glad to see you are back from surgery and doing ok. Glad you quit the job to focus on your health-I know it was a tough decision. Also relieved to hear the tumor marker result dropped and is getting closer to normal-no doubt it is related to inflammation as the MO said and will continue to drop in time. It's a good sign:)

    Melanie Hang in there with the Rads-you are almost done. I had #21 of 33 today and I'm just slightly pink as of today. We are going to be just fine! Mamaoftwo I hope things start going a bit more smoothly with the Rads-waiting makes everything worse. You would think our treatment providers would understand and make an effort to minimize the wait times to reduce our anxiety...

    Dogeyed So sorry to hear about your dog. I hope you are able to rest and take good care of yourself as you prepare for your upcoming surgery.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited July 2011

    Please tell me what these tumor marker numbers are all about.  This is something none of my doctors have ever discussed with me.  What are the numbers supposed to tell you about your health?  

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    Divine - it is a blood test.  Many oncs don't use them because they are notoriously unreliable (at least in this situation I hope they are!!!)  It is like a PSA blood test for prostate cancer - many false positives.

  • mamaoftwo
    mamaoftwo Member Posts: 267
    edited July 2011

    SpecialK- That's great that you got through surgery and are so far happy with the results!  How ironic about your car trouble on the one day you needed it to work.  I can just imagine the panic.  I hope your recovery isn't too painful.  

    Dragonfly and Melanie Ann- You are both sort of sailing through rads.  That is so encouraging.  Let's hope for no recurrences or long-term side effects for all of us. 

    This morning was much easier for me; I ran 30 minutes at an ungodly hour before my 1+ hr drive to rads but it was worth it because I felt more relaxed and was happily in and out of there in 20 minutes.

    Gail- your poor dog:(  We lost our Husky last year in July and still miss him.  Huskies are such a happy, loving breed.  

     Laura

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited July 2011

    MAMAOFTWO,  our Husky has one blue eye.  Yesterday after he had diarrhea early in morning, he had NO diarrhea, first time in weeks.  Husband said he wants to bronze the first real one that comes out.  This morning, he didn't want to go out, it WAS pretty early, and within a half-hour let 'er rip on his bed, which I changed with little trouble.  But today of all days, we are to talk to the vet.  We want to keep trying another two weeks, puts him past my surgery, but if vet says no, that his opinion is Gandalf ain't gonna get no better, we have to face reality.  THANKS ALL for the support.

    SPECIALK, glad you made a decision to let the job go.  One good thing, they didn't throw tomatoes at you when you left, so I suppose when you decide to give work another try, they might need you back.  But then again, could be by then, you'll find you a GREAT job that is less demanding.  I really worked SO hard all my life, and when it was over for good, I laid on my couch for two years trying to get over the whole dang thing.  Smile.

    MELANIE ANN, oh, I did SO appreciate your story of walking outta that clinic when they made you wait so long, and then your frustration with yet more waiting.  I walked out of the hospital like that one time, they were going to put in my port, I got all hooked up to I.V.s, etc., and then proceeded to wait, wait, wait, three hours went by, and I finally scooted my I.V. bag pole out into the main nursing area and announced, "If someone doesn't release me from this hospital, I'm gonna tear out these I.V.s and leave in my gown."  They let me go proper.  Of course, I had to go right back down there the next week and go thru it all over again, but I was in the OR within an hour.

    MAMA Vicky, how are you making out with any continuing side effects from the chemo?  We're both two weeks out, and even tho my attention was on my dog and I ignored legs a couple days, it's all back again.  My legs are the worst thing, the bones hurt so much, been taking Vit D as they asked.  Still exhausted, despite steak and chicken, still can barely walk on swollen feet, fingers are numb.  I'm glad I'm done with chemo but I really thought by now I'd feel better.  BYE ALL FOR NOW!  GG

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    Hi ladies,

    Having some pain today.  DH had to go to a meeting so I am waiting for him to return and then will have a warm shower (and a pain pill) and a rest.

    dogeyed and mamav - be patient with the leftover SE's from chemo, you will see a really significant change at about 4 weeks and then again at 6 weeks.  The numbness in my feet is dissipating, although now the left foot (bottom surface) feels almost normal, right is still a little more numb so it feels weird that they are not even.  Less aching, burning in thighs is almost gone.  You will get there too!  Dogeyed - praying for strength for you and doggy. 

  • Paula66
    Paula66 Member Posts: 1,728
    edited July 2011

    Hi girls.  Its been awhile since I have posted, so I wanted to say hi!  I how far we all have gotten since February.  Keep it up and continued prayers go out everyday for you all!  I do creep the page often and its good to see you all!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited July 2011

    I agree about being patient with the chemo SEs.  I had leg pain a month after my last chemo and thought "that's how it'll be from now on" because I thought I was out of shape and getting old.  But now about 7 weeks PFC I climb the stairs in my house and its much easier.  The SEs seems to work themselves out over a period of time.  I don't think you can really hurry the matter along, I think your body just regulates itself as you give it the time it needs.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited July 2011

    Dogeyed and all - I am still in tons of pain. Everything aches. I thought I was the only one. Thought I'd feel better by now. Legs and feet still puffy and tingly. Chicago heat and humidity probably not helping one bit.



    I start rads wed. Ug



    Vicky

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited July 2011

    Wow, thanks SPECIALK  and DIVINE for explaining the side effects taking a while to go away. I feel much better about the situation.  And I was especially happy to hear from you MAMAV, that you are in the same boat as me!  I laughed when you said you were still in "tons of pain."  Yup, that sums it up for me, too, yet I thought maybe something was wrong with me.  I'm so glad you're where I'm at, altho naturally I wish we weren't there. 

    The kicker is I timed my Oxycodone to last thru the last week after the last chemo, and now I don't have that medicine anymore.  But at least just over a week from now, I'll get a new bottle of pain killers since that's when my surgery is.  On the dog front, husband has really helped me above and beyond the call of duty by devoting many more hours than me to our Boy, and also this morning he got Gandalf situated ahead of time for me by taking him out for bathroom and changing sheets just before I get up, takes away heavy lifting for me, which lifting makes my legs hurt ten times as bad.  My husband is my hero in so many ways.

    So, tell me, LADIES, am I amongst the very few who has surgery after chemo?  After that comes my rads.  Maybe it's because I also have IBC.  I just feel like folks are getting ahead of me here, talking rads, but it was JENNH who DID have surgery after chemo, I remember her saying she felt like she had bench-pressed 800 pounds!  Well, thank you all for letting me do these giant homeroom announcements.  I remember one time I worked in a print shop building (I was a writer), and for some reason our graphics department was the last ones to leave, and my boss let me get on the loudspeaker, knowing my inclination for expression.  So, I get the microphone and go, "Ladies and gentleman, Elvis has left the building."  Hahahaha.  Until next time, sisters, love to you all, Gail

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2011

    dogeyed - charlottesmama also had neoadjuvent (chemo before surgery) and yes, it does depend on your cancer type and tumor size.  It is easier for your surgeon to get clean margins if your tumor can shrink prior to surgery.  If it makes you feel better I was diagnosed 8 1/2 months ago, I won't have exchange surgery until the end of the year at the earliest, and will still have Herceptin infusions until 2012, so you are not alone!

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