Women under 45 stage II w/node involvement?

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  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    ER positive, and my doc said no too---too young for the risks.  One major one is bone density.  I already have pretty severe scoliosis (wore a brace as a kid and everything), and my maternal grandmother lost a whole FOOT in height due to osteoperosis.  

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    Hi All,

    This is a great thread! I am 40, diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast in February, waited until June to have a Uni MX with immediate DIEP reconstruction.  My pathology came back IDC, 3.2cm, grade 3, and one of 3 nodes with tumors.  Going into surgery feeling healthy, and coming out being being completely unable to function for a couple of weeks, and then learning that what I thought was the end of my BC journey, was just the beginning has been really hard.  Thank goodness for these boards, because I spent a lot of time thinking that I was going to die, and then I read about women with similar diagnosis to mine, and they are surviving, and living full, healthy lives, and I allowed myself to hope again.

    I had an appointment with an oncologist last week, and have had follow up CT scans and a bone scan, as well as a biopsy to see if I have further lymph node involvement (as indicated by the CT).  So, I guess I am technically still waiting to find out if the cancer is metastatic.  I'm so used to bad news at this point, it is horrible!  I will be starting chemo next week.

    Does anybody have any advice or know of any books that help explain breast cancer, and treatment to young children?  My kids are 4 and 6.  They know that I am sick, but I haven't told them that I have cancer yet.  I'm not sure that it will mean anything to them, except that they know that Terry Fox died of cancer (famous Canadian who ran across Canada to raise money and awareness about cancer).

    Suz 

  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    Hey Suz.  I'm sorry you're going through this. My son was 4--just turned 5 last weekend.  I said, "Mommy has breast cancer (I was afraid he'd hear it from someone else and be freaked).  That means that Mommy has an owie inside her breast.  So, I'm going to have lots of doctor appointments, and I"m going to get medicine that will make me all better on the inside, but may make me feel sick on the outside.  There are some funny side effects.  Wanna hear them?  Well, I may get the poopies a lot (giggle giggle) and I'm going to lose my hair for a while."  The hair thing he did NOT like.  I had to tell him it would grow back, but would take a while, and he helped Daddy shave my head when it came time and I think that really helped b/c none of us was upset and crying.  My mom was taking pics--I have a great one where I've got a mohawk and I'm flipping off the camera.  

    Anyway, honesty is good, but only as much information as is age-appropriate.  We've never discussed dying--not happening!!!!

     Best of luck as you await more results. 

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    Hi Profbee,

    Thanks so much.  This is perfect!  I'm not very good at coming up with age appropriate language, so I might just quote you verbatim. 

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited July 2011

    Hi Suz39.... So sorry you had to join our club, but happy you found this place, it is wonderful!!!! Especially b/c we are all so young that it's hard to find people that truly relate in the "real life" (non cyber)



    Your diagnosis sounds SO similar to mine it's scary. I also went into surgery (I had a BMX w/ immediate TE's back in June) being told I had DCIS in my left breast....would need surgery and than was going to be put on tamoxifen for 5 years.....even my sentinel nodes were negative during the freeze test while I was on the table.....well, lo and behold a week later I get my path report back and one of the 3 nodes came back positive....the tumor went from DCIS to IDC and now needed chemo. I was so upset..... U



    In regards to kids, I have an 8 year old (she turned 8 yesterday) and she still hasn't been told the "C" word. She knows mommy's not well nd that I had tumors removed but I asked her a month or so back if she knew what the word cancer meant and she said "yes, it means when someone gets really sick and than the die". That broke my heart!!!!! We didn't tell her about the cancer part because we originally felt there would be no need if I was going to have any visible signs of cancer why scare her??? WELL...now we are going to tell her more of the story because my hair will be falling out soon from chemo...... I think we're basically going to tell her that "mommy had cancer in her boobie but the surgeries took it all out, but now I'll just need some really strong medicine that's going to make my hair fall out.....BUT that it'll be fun to play dress up with scarves and wigs and the strong medicine is going to make sure the bad cancer doesn't ever come back"



    It's SO hard with having kids I think? Because us Mommies are their whole world most times....and we have to be strong at all times for their sake.....and sometimes we push ourselves to do things we shouldn't (like I did for my daughter's birthday!) because mom's ALWAYS put everyone else first. We don't really know any other way!!!



    Anyways, sorry you are have to be here but welcome!!!



  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    I have 4 kids - 14, 12 and twin 7 year olds.  ALL three of my boys had a hard time with me losing my hair.  Just the other day, one of the 7 year olds said, "Mom, I really liked you better with hair."  I just reassured him that it was growing back and maybe I would have enough hair to not wear a wig by Christmas.

    I've had to tell them multiple times why I lost my hair.  "I took some medicine that kills cancer, but it also makes hair fall out.  But it's a good trade guys!!  I give up my hair for a while to kill cancer!"

    They're kids - they adjust and are very resilient but this affects them more than we realize sometimes.  I hate that.

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited July 2011

    I agree pejkug....it is harder on them than we realize. I hate that too. I can tell my daughter is really sick of hearing "that might be too much for mommy to do" or "maybe next time mommy will be strong enough for that" :0(

    It really breaks my heart....I'm 35 years old and can barely take her shopping for party supplies for her birthday without needing to go rest afterwards!!!! It's not supposed to be this way! :0(

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    Hi Madismommy and pejkug!

    So nice to meet you!  I wish it was under different circumstances, but it is so true that it is hard to find people to relate to.  I have had zero experience with cancer, no family history, no friends.  And I thank goodness for that every day, because I wouldn't want this to happen to anybody, but still it is very scary and I am so relieved to find this thread, and be able to relate to others.

    I also didn't tell my kids because I thought I would have the surgery and be done with it.  I know I have to tell them though, because they will start daycare next month because I don't think I can manage them while going through chemo.  I don't want them to think it is because I don't want to be with them.  Also, I'm certain that other people will talk about it, and I don't want my kids to find out from somebody else, and then have anxiety about it until they can talk to me about it.

    I agree that kids are so resilient though, I had to travel for the DIEP, so they were without me for 2 weeks.  My parents took care of them, and my husband took time off work, and I honestly don't think the kids even really noticed.  They were really happy to see me, but they were still happy, and sleeping well, and energetic.

    When do you start chemo?  I think I'm starting next week, but haven't heard from the onc yet. 

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    It is hard to not have the stamina to keep up with all the things that my kids want to do this summer.  They're itching to go to the pool but I'm in the middle of rads and I just cannot take all that sun right now.

    I keep reminding myself that the goal of treatment is to do it so you have many summers after this one to enjoy with them.  And I fully intend to do that!!

    Good luck with chemo, Madismommy and Suz39.  I did 6 rounds of TCH and will continue on Herceptin until February.  Chemo was not nearly as horrible as I thought it would be.  And now, 6 weeks PFC, my hair is growing back in and chemo is a distant memory.  What a wild, wild ride this year has been!

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited July 2011

    Thanks Pej...it's so encouraging to hear other women on the other side of chemo and saying it wasn't horrible. I have a ton of anxiety over starting treatment (I'm doing TAC). But than again I've had anxiety over every part of this whole journey.... And than I fight through it.

    I dodged RADS with all my axillary nodes coming back negative....I just had an AND a week ago today, 0/16 path report, YAY!!!



  • rachel5738
    rachel5738 Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011

    We were pretty open with my kids (9 & 11). We told them all about chemo etc and they handled it pretty good. We also joined a support group with other children whose parents have/had cancer. They liked meeting other kids going through something similar. Kids are resilient. My kids have gone through a lot in one year but they are still laughing and smiling. We also kept their schedules the same -- as hard as it was and thanks to friends and family, they stayed in their sports.



    Chemo is doable. I had 6 x FEC-T and although some days did suck--overall it was not what I imagined. You will get through it !

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    I'm agreeing with Rachel5738 - chemo is doable!  It's not at all like on TV.  There is no need to suffer with nausea and vomiting - they have great meds for that!  My worst SE was *ahem* diarrhea - the Big D.  But I have IBS so it wasn't really a surprise.

    My best advice for chemo - drink lots of water, eat protein and give yourself a break!  You cannot do it all and right now, fighting cancer is taking up a lot of energy.  Be good to yourself - give yourself the same grace you would give your best friend. 

    Chemo seems to be so LONG when you're going through it.  (Kinda like pregnancy!)  But it's over before you know it.  I have my second Herceptin only on Thursday - I can't believe it's been 6 weeks since finishing chemo!

  • Pinkprincess
    Pinkprincess Member Posts: 280
    edited July 2011

    I am soooo VERY encouraged by this thread and how it has taken off:) You are ALL awesome and will do fine. One day at a time is all I can say. I am one year and 3 days past dx and I am doing GREAT! I have a 19 month old, a 10 year old and my daughter will be 17 next week. You can and will do this one step and day at a time, one foot in front of the other:) I love you all!!!! If I can be any help or encouragement let me know:)

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    This thread IS so very encouraging, I second your statement KCMomx3!  Rachel, I am having the same chemo as you, FEC-T, and I am so glad to hear that it is doable.  It is true that it doesn't last too long.  After the FEC-T I might get herceptin.  They still don't know my HER2 results.  After that, Tamoxifen...  I guess menopause was going to happen eventually anyway, right.

    Thanks for all your advice about talking to the kids.  I had the conversation with them after dinner tonight, and they were great.  They thought the diarrhea idea was hilarious, and they had a good time telling me what kind of colours of wigs I should get.  My son's recommendation was "rainbow".  My daughter told him that she didn't think that would be very beautiful.  I also made a point to tell them that it is important to talk to me or their dad about any feelings they are having, or if something that somebody else tells them about cancer makes them scared.

    Thanks again ladies :-) 

  • rachel5738
    rachel5738 Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2011

    Suz..Like I mentioned, FEC-T was OK for me---worst part was the T at the end with some aches---but Doc gave me some Tylenol 3 to help if it got bad. The Docs and Nurses don't want you to have any problems through treatment--so if you have nausea--tell the Doc and they will help. I remember going to the first one--so nervous--before I knew it, it was done!

    I started chemo last August--shaved my hair off about a couple of weeks after my first chemo and then lost my hair completely a little after the second chemo. I did buy a wig---more because of my kids--and I wore it maybe 2/3 times...bought some great head scarves from that beaubeau and they were so nice--wore those mostly. Kids got used to me with no hair and weren't too bothered.

  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    GREAT job, Suz!!!  You must be an awesome mommy!  I wore my wig last weekend for my son's birthday.  I think it was good for everyone to see me looking like my old self.  I couldn't do it every day, but I'm glad I did it then.  Oh, and I totally have a blue wig!  :)  

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    Thanks for the support!  Blue wig sounds awesome!  Rachel, thanks for the tip on the T.

    My chemo has been scheduled for next Wednesday.  Eeeee!  I can't wait to get to the other side, like you awesome ladies.

    Do you know what day you start, Madismommy?  I'm glad to hear that all your nodes are clear.  It must not have been much fun to have to go back for AND.  This might happen to me as well, still waiting for results of my biopsy. 

  • pebee
    pebee Member Posts: 317
    edited July 2011

    Hi - can I join even though I am 46??????

    I have three kids - a daughter aged 21, and two sons, age 15 and 12.  I had four rounds of TC, then surgery.  The lumpectomy went well, but they found another 7mm tumor in one of the sentinal nodes during surgery, so out went all of the other nodes as well.  Now, I am off for another 8 rounds of chemo, then radiation - keeping me booked until Christmas.

    I would love to talk about how this affects the kids - we had to tell our boys tonight that I am going back to chemo and it was not fun...... 

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited July 2011

    Hi pebee.... Of course you can join too! :). I'm sorry to hear they found a surprise tumor that's sending you back to chemo! :( That sucks!!!



    Suz....I still don't have my official start date yet, we were waiting on my AND path report and now I have to heal 100% from it and get my Muga scan and treatment class..... I meet with my oncology team on Tuesday to confirm my treatment path. I'm hoping mid-august to start....

  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited July 2011

    Suz39...I know how you feel...I went last Dec. for a routine mammo and they said there was some calcification that was normal and everything was good and that I should come back in 6 months for a follow up..6 months later I have 2 tumors in my left breast one is just over 2cm and the other is just over 1cm and 1 of the 2 nodes is positive. I had a lumpectomy and of course one of the margins wasnt clear!!! I went yesterday for bone scans, abodomen scans, bloodwork etc...I'm just praying that I'll have some good news from those tests so sick of all this bad news!!

    I havent told my 11yr daughter and 8 yr son ..I'm putting it off as long as I can , I have 3 weeks until chemo. My daughter's classmate's mother died of breast cancer last year and a fiend of mine just died of cancer 6 weeks ago so my kids are well aware of cancer. I'm 41 and I still have my mom and it's so not fair that I have to tell my kids that I have cancer and that they have to worry if I'm going to die! Ohh and my sweet 12 yr old yorkie who is the love of our lives isnt doing so well...wow what a year its been...

  • Suz39
    Suz39 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2011

    Uggh!  I hate to hear of other stories like mine.  What a year!  No kidding Frown.  Taylor, it sounds like they found your cancer early, and from everything I am reading on these threads, finding BC early means a good prognosis.  When you talk to your kids, really focus on the fact that this is not going to kill you.  My kids are a little young to understand death, so I don't think they really worried about it, but yours are older, so it is probably worthwhile to focus on the positive aspects of finding it early.  Not that I am an expert on cancer or talking to kids, but just my thoughts.  I'm so sorry that you have to go through this, any of us.

    Madismommy, have you seen a physiotherapist to help you with your recovery from the AND?  I had my first appt. with one yesterday.  The place I went to specializes in cancer patients, and I found it really helpful.  I hope to learn about manual lymphatic drainage, massage, etc.  For now she is teaching me stretches to reduce the scar tissue, and improve my mobility.  Good luck with your recovery. 

  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    Man, I HATE that our kids have to deal with this.  I guess I'm lucky that mine just turned 5, so he doesn't really get it, but I so fear leaving him.  Not that I plan to die, but sometimes my mind does go there.  I can imagine how tough it must be to know that your kids are going to be upset and they have that experience with cancer and have to have that talk with them.  I'm sorry, women.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Hi all,

    I've been away from bc.org for months while I finished chemo & rads. Last rads was Tuesday (July 19th) so I'm now done with active treatment, forever if I have my way.  ;)

    So glad to see a board like this & hoping I can join in a little even though I'm stage 1 with no nodes, I did have ITCs in the one node they took however. It's hard to find younger women in a similar boat.

    In fact, I went to my first-ever support group meeting about a week ago and was the youngest by far. One of them was a former high school teacher of mine, which was odd but nice. All the ladies there were great but it makes it hard to connect in some ways because my story and everyday life are so different from theirs.

    I was dx last Nov. after I found my own lump while showering. This was between mammos, all of which (all 3 since I was only 43 at the time) were always clear. In fact, the diagnostic mammo they did after I found lump was "clear" but was seen on an ultrasound. That was the beginning, now I'm at the end of this, I hope.

    My daughters are also young, 11 and 7, and it has been hard but they have been great. I told them right away because I knew I'd have trouble keeping it together. It was the right decision for our family and they have been supportive and helpful all the way through this. 

    Now that I'm at the end of active treatment, I'm feeling weird, letting this all sink in after all the months of appointments and treatments and dealing with SEs.  I may just lurk here but wanted to say hi and thanks for all your stories. Be strong sisters!

  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited July 2011

    Thanks for your stories it really means alot...:) I wish we could all meet for ice-cream..lol..:)

    I go Tues. for my masecotomy on my left breast (not too familiar with the BC lingo just yet) I wanted to have them both done but the surgeon said if I get an infection then treatment would be delayed..Anyways I'm getting really scared as we are getting closer..I told my dr. as soon as I get to the hospital I need something to calm me down. I was okay with the lumpectomy but knowing that my whole breast is coming off scares me!!! and the staples and the tube and the drain..I just want to run away!!! How did you guys handle this?? How were you when you woke up after surgery?? What did you wear after surgery???

  • Madismommy719
    Madismommy719 Member Posts: 781
    edited July 2011

    Taylor.... I had a bilateral mastectomy in June and I had all the same emotions you are feeling right now, I was pretty much terrified going into it. I can honestly tell you that you're going to be ok!!! The pain is pretty intense, but there's drugs for that!!! And when they say "take it EASY" they mean it... That's where most of my pain came from, too much movement, etc.

    The drains are unpleasant and annoying but not that bad!!! And you get used to them being there.... Hopefully they'll be in there a minimal amount of time for you!!!!

    I lived in comfy jammies after surgery.... At the hospital and at home, buy several pairs because putting on clean jammies is wonderful after laying around and unable to shower at first. And make sure they are button down the front!!!! Much easier to get on and off.....

    And let me just tell you that I had so much depression over loses my god given breasts....I had these horrific images in my head of what I would like it, etc..... And it honestly is NOT that bad.....i was so pleasantly surprised. PLUS knowin the cancer was no longer there was a relief. And I'm 5 weeks post surgery and I'm totally at peace with my boobs and nipples being gone.....I did do reconstruction w/ tissue expanders so that does help somewhat with what I see, I wasn't completely flat immediately after.....(although I was only a B cup pre-BC)

    Did your BS give you anything for your anxiety??? It sounds like Xanax would help you a lot? One a day for me really took the anxiety edge off.....



    Hang in there, you can get through this!!!!!!!! :0)

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited July 2011

    Taylor......for me the drains were not as big a deal as I feared. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to have them out, but they were more inconvienent than anything.

    I had a lot of pain issues...but the staples themselves were not the problem. 

    But you will want a bunch of easy to get on and off things. I would get extras since you may not feel up to doing laundry for a while. 

    I bought a black jersey robe, that I still wear. A black jersey nightgown with a big open neckline and big arms.  I was ok with anything loose and stretchy. Think big necklines and loose arms. The only thing I didn't wear much was the night shirt...it feel so hospital-sick. (I did wear it home from the hospital)

    Basically I went to the store and bought a whole bunch of stuff, all of which I wore.

    Also having food and beverages on hand, I got really sick of takeout. I needed help with pretty much everything for a few weeks...but I had more complicated sx and a slow recovery.

    Also having stuff that was kind of presentable was good when I had visits.

  • cd1234
    cd1234 Member Posts: 169
    edited July 2011

    Hey Everyone,

    I was diagnosed 2.5 years ago when I was 37. I am getting ready to celebrate my 40th birthday, and my 2 year done with chemo anniversary. Woo hoo! I had ACT (4 AC and 12 T), bilateral, reconstruction (done finally), Tamoxifen for 11 months (it made me really sick). Complete hysterectomy and oophorectomy almost a year ago and on Femara now. Feeling great and loving life!!

    Take care!

  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited July 2011

    Thanks madismommy and cookiegal for making me feel better about Tues..I've always hated my breasts anyway they've always been an inconveince anyway being a 34DD and having a small frame. I'm going shopping tomorrow..:)

    Have an amazing 40th Birthday cdean1971!!! Thats great news sooooo happy for you!!!!

  • sundermom
    sundermom Member Posts: 463
    edited July 2011

    I have five little ones.  They are 11, 9, 7, 6 and 3.  My DH and I have always been open and honest with them about BC.  I still remember the night at dinner when we told them "Mommy has BC."  I remember thinking to myself, "Please don't let one of them ask me if I'm going to die".  Sure enough the 7 year DD said, "Mommy, are you going to die?"  I said, "Yes.  We all die, but that won't happen for a really, really long time!"  My kids have been amazing and an unimaginable source of strength for me on this journey.  I'm thankful for the lessons they teach me everyday :)

    Tammy

  • Pinkprincess
    Pinkprincess Member Posts: 280
    edited July 2011

    This is why I started this thread....I felt that women under 45 with young children face different challenges than older women. Although I am not discriminating....I just knew all of these concerns and more would come up. Praise God for all of you!!!

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