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Leia
Leia Member Posts: 265

I was just reading the American Cancer Society's latest Form 990 that they filed with the IRS. It is available on www.guidestar.org. Available to anyone. 

And it was interesting, on the schedule where they showed what was paid to the top execs, there were five people,  listed as retired that were paid $7.1Million Dollars. $7.1 Million dollars paid to retired people. And many more $mIllions paid to the active people.

My question, why should retired people from the American Cancer Society being paid any $Millions,at all? Isn't the point of the American Cancer society to cure cancer?

Clearly, not.  From their tax return, the Form 990, clearly not. They take your donations and pay themselves $million dollar salaries. 

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  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited July 2011

    hmm, interesting. i'll check it out.

    Komen bothers me much more - let's dress up cancer in t-shirt decorating contests and celebrity emcees and pink ribbons f*(#ing everywhere. please. they basically ignore our sisters living with stage 4 cancer. i don't know how they live with themselves.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Interesting.  I just got a publication from the American Cancer Society stating that they provide more money for research than any other private organization.  This is probably (sadly) true which points out how little some of the other private organizations turn over for research.  Unfortunately, the ACS could be providing even more funding than they currently do according to your findings.

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited July 2011

    elmcity69, Komen offends me.

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited July 2011

    The Salary info is on Page 54 of the ACS 990. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    That is so scandalous and outrageous !! I remember after Katrina the Red Cross CEO resigning over her yearly $7M. Anyone correct me if I,m wrong on the figure...

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2011

     I seriously hate both organizations.  They both suck.

  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited July 2011

    Maybe we should start our own "non-profit". I have some bills to pay...

    I was not impressed by my local ACS chapter. It was in a run down house with used wigs (not opposed to used, but nothing in style) and a few prostheses (nothing my size). This was before I could be fitted and was desperate for something temporary to I could go back to work.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    I have not much good to say about the ACS or Komen. The good they do is outweighed by the attitude that "cancer" or "breast cancer" are marketable concepts that they "own" - in lockstep wth polluters and others who finance them. The ACS is always a step behind the latest scientific thinking, it seems, and Komen is busying itself using people's money to sue or threaten to sue mom and pop non profits for using words like "cure" in conjunbction with cancer.

    Komen "owns" a cure, it seems. Pity the rest of us don't get to share.

    ACS is the largest non-profit in the world and, for many years, through the early part of the last decade, denied that the enviornment could case cancer. Even now, while the rest of the world has long acknowledged environmental factors, they say it is not known. They also tend to come out against findings that show the limited effects of screening or that would in any way upset the current economic status quo of expensive treatments. They are a corporate juggernaut and that is where their true interests lie - not with patients. The fact that they do charity work does not change that, IMO.

    If a cure is found for cancer, these two organizations, which are supposed to represent the interests of cancer patients, would stand to lose. This means that their interests are no longer aligned with patients in the long run - only in short-term, day-to-day issues. 

    ETA: It is a shame. For my other illness, I KNOW that the organizations which advocate on behalf of patients really do represent my interests. Same with the congenital illness I was completely cured of thanks to modern medicine - that organization is huge, well known, and very, very effective. It speaks for me (or my organ :-) ). 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    Re: the 990 - also notice how much cash the ACS hoards. That has been another point of contention.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2011

    The American Cancer Society:  The Official Sponsor of Really Catchy Slogans.

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited July 2011

    I was not a big fan of the ACS until I stayed at one of their Hope Lodges during a week of recovery following my SGAP surgery. It's astounding the services they provide through Hope Lodges around the country. Takes a lot of admin money to support those places, and I had no clue till I saw it in person.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    What I hate are threads dissing organizations that help.  I should have known before clicking.

    granted.. the society may have high overhead but it is well within the 65/35% money distribution.  Large fundraising corporations are always criticized it seems. I guess if people are going to donate money, they want it to go directly to patients.. Unfortunately, doing business does cost money.  However I think it is noble that they try to save lives by helping people stay well, helping people get well, by finding cures, and fighting cancer.

    I hate cancer.

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited July 2011

    apple and AnneW, I agree.

    I went to the local ACS office shortly after starting chemo, to see what they offered in the way of patient support. It was late in the day (4:15 p.m.), but two wonderful, compassionate women escorted me upstairs to their women's consulting area (don't know what else to call it).  They spent the next hour talking to me about wigs, breast forms, mastectomy bras, scarves, caps, etc., and pulling out all sorts of samples for me to try on. Honestly, they were so kind -- and, they made it fun.  It was the first time I had actually laughed since my BC diagnosis 3 months earlier.

    I walked out of there with a brand-new Amoena silicone breast form (still in its box), a functional brand-name mastectomy bra, a "TLC" wig that would have retailed for more than $50 if I'd bought the same wig on the TLC website, two hand-made caps, and two beautiful hand-made and "dedicated" scarves that I still love 3 years later.  (The scarves had tags indicating they'd been made by members of a volunteer group and contained wishes of hope and kindness.)

    A few weeks later, my dh and I were sitting in the chemo infusion waiting room when we saw a couple we recognized.  The guy was there for chemo due to a cancer recurrence.  His chemo regimen was complicated -- he was getting infusions every day for about a week, and then a break, and then more infusions.  (I don't recall exactly.)  Like us, he and his wife had a 2-hour drive to the cancer center.  I asked them how they managed the logistics of the treatments -- did they drive to and from the center each day?

    "Oh, no," the woman said.  "We're staying at the Hope Lodge.  It's a wonderful place.  You have to make reservations ahead of time, because they're really busy.  But, we've been able to stay there almost every night during each week of "Bob's" treatments." 

    I asked how much the room cost (considering that the cancer center and the Hope Lodge were in the middle of the largest city in our state).  "It's free.  There is no charge."

    What I'd really like to know, though, is what this thread has to do with the topic and role of the "Complementary, Alternative, and Holistic Medicine and Treatment" forum.  The Mods have recently clarified the purpose of this forum; and I can't see any link whatsoever between that and the bashing of the American Cancer Society that's going on here.

    otter

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    I have to agree with you apple. I am so  thankful for the National Cancer Association. I was also given a wig that I actually like more than the one I paid 500 for. I attended their makeup feel good seminal, and came away with lots of free makeup.

    When I had radiation therapy I received it at the hospital where I had surgery which is 2 hours away. They paid for me to stay at a local motel during that week.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    IMHO the understandable but at times misguided hesitance to question the cancer status quo helps to explain why there is no cure as yet for many cancers. Questioning is seen as getting in the way of work for a cure, when it may help to produce just the opposite.

    Without questioning, loads of ineffective studies and flawed data would not be hounded out - read the NYT article that voraciousreader posted everywhere as a good example. It's also important to not extrapolate what one good or bad experience can say about an entire organization (for that matter, I recomend parts of the Komen site quite frequently. I also recommend some of the information on the ACS).

    Cancer must never rest on its laurels as long as people are dying of it.

    Apple, I think we all hate cancer. Wink

  • Letlet
    Letlet Member Posts: 1,053
    edited July 2011

    The American Cancer Society issued me a check for $175 for "Transportation". For someone who was newly diagnosed, and on disability and counting on every penny to survive and support my two kids and spouse I was extremely grateful.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    I have also benefited from the generosity and quality of the ACS.  I also know that high overhead is an unfortunate byproduct with these organizations but that does not explain or justify the extremely high salaries.

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited July 2011

    While nobody is questioning the good work done by the American Cancer Society, nor the fact that it has a staff of dedicated staff members working tirelessly to help cancer patients, I just don't see why their top-of-the-foodchain retired staff members should be paid this kind of money.

    Wouldn't some of this money be best utilized in research? I mean: just SOME of it, and those senior executive could still spend a happy retirement on a little less (which most of us will have to do).

    Questioning is important. It is the kind of stuff that make political and social changes possible throughout the world and throughout history.

    As Athena said it above:

    ".......Without questioning, loads of ineffective studies and flawed data would not be hounded out......." 

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited July 2011

    I thought the ACS did give money to research.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Member:

    As I said in my earlier post, they claim (in their current publication) to be the largest private donor of research money.  When I read this a couple of days ago, I thought that this could be critical since governments around the world will try to cut back research spending due to the languishing world wide economy - leaving the funding largely to private donors (hope this doesn't happen).

    As an aside, their CEO (ACS) is announcing an unprecedented opportunity on the first page of the publication.  The United Nations is scheduled to hold a summit in September to address the global impact of cancer, diabetes, chronic respiratory disease and cardiovascular disease. 

    According to the CEO, this is only the second time the United Nations has done anything like this - the first was for AIDS.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    you read all the time (well maybe sometimes, about charities raiding the coffers... are people so crass?)  I don't know.. as they say .. who knows if what you read on the internet is true?  kind of sad.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    Here is an excerpt from an article in The Huffington Post last year by Samuel S. Epstein, admittedly a staunch critic of the ACS. Towards the end he lists the ACS's links to pollutors:

    PUBLIC RELATIONS
    •1998-2000: PR for the ACS was handled by Shandwick International, whose major clients included R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings.
    •2000-2002: PR for the ACS was handled by Edelman Public Relations, whose major clients included Brown & Williamson Tobacco Company, and the Altria Group, the parent company of Philip Morris, Kraft, and fast food and soft drink beverage companies. All these companies were promptly dismissed once this information was revealed by the CPC.

    INDUSTRY FUNDING
    The ACS's indifference to cancer prevention reflects major industry funding. ACS has received contributions in excess of $100,000 from a wide range of "Excalibur Donors," many of whom continue to manufacture carcinogenic products. These include:

    •Petrochemical companies (DuPont; BP; and Pennzoil)
    •Industrial waste companies (BFI Waste Systems)
    •Junk food companies (Wendy's International; McDonalds's; Unilever/Best Foods; and Coca-Cola)
    •Big Pharma (AstraZenceca; Bristol Myers Squibb; GlaxoSmithKline; Merck & Company; and Novartis)
    •Biotech companies (Amgen; and Genentech)
    •Cosmetic companies (Christian Dior; Avon; Revlon; Elizabeth Arden; and Estee Lauder)
    •Auto companies (Nissan; General Motors)

    Nevertheless, in spite of this long-standing track record of flagrant conflicts of interest, as reported in the December 8, 2009 New York Times, the ACS responded that it "holds itself to the highest standards of transparency and public accountability."

    LINK: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel-s-epstein/the-american-cancer-socie_b_568292.html

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited July 2011

    I am very anti-komen but I support the American Cancer Society. Not only does their dollars go to research but they also do direct patient support.  I contacted Komen and never got a response.  I contacted the ACS and I got money for a wig, money for gas, lots of paperwork that helped me organize things, the Look Good, Feel Better Class and other support, emotional had I needed it as well.  In my town they have weekly nutrition classes, exercise and other classes - all for free.

    Komen is about marketing and ACS is about helping.  I have no problem with people getting large salaries if what they do is worth it.  People who spend their lives helping cancer patients are worth a lot more than somebody like Cameran Diaz, who gets millions for having long legs.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    People who spend their lives helping cancer patients are worth a lot more than somebody like Cameran Diaz, who gets millions for having long legs

    or Kim the Dash who has big hips and lips.

    I agree. 

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited July 2011

    i don't agree with the ACS' salaries for the top tier, but wholeheartedly agree they provide many wonderful services throughout the country. they don't pinkwash the way Komen does.

    i'm doing the Komen race this year - but with"pink ribbon mafia" in black on my chest (well, upper collarbone, whatever) and a bib reminding Komen about sisters living with MBC. THAT is what I so detest about Komen (their act of pretending women w/ MBC are invisible).

    apple: you are so right about the celebs. more Americans likely know the travails of those ridiculous Kardashian skanks than what's happening in Syria or Zimbabwe. stupid.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    the ACS is not the world or our country's largest NPO... BTW

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    I just purchased the book "Pink Ribbon Blues" on Amazon. Can't wait to get it (standard shipping, so it will take ages...)

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited July 2011

    I am starting to get jaded with information like this.  No wonder things are such a mess.  The almighty dollar rules all!

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2011

    for my part, the ACS is fine about some supportive stuff, but not all. Unfortunately, the research they fund (and the way they fund it) sucks.  Super useless.  I used to be in the medical research biz to an extent and if there is one thing I know about, it is the problems with the various research models in this country.  I am trying to cut and paste something I wrote on the topic - I'll try to get to it tomorrow.  My point - after all the billions that have been raised for BC, yes, damn straight we should have a cure or at least treatments that are different than what has already been kicking around for 30 years.  Seems like every "new" drug is just a variation on something that already exists.  And people making salaries like that after they are retired?  Ridiculous!  Not when people are dying.  That just ain't right.

    I gotta figure out how to cut and paste.  Stupid Google Chrome. 

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited July 2011

    1Athena-I recently heard Dr. Epstein speak at the Health Freedom Expo. He talked about how much  of a difference the ACS could make if they would make any effort to promote prevention. They spend less than 4% of their funds on prevention. Dr. E maintains that the ACS is one of the leading causes of cancer. He showed a diagram that depicted how the incidence of cancer has gone up as the funding has gone up. He also listed other causes of cancer as the CDC, AMA, ADA, FDA, etc. As long as people are making big money in cancer, we will never be told the truth about how preventable this disease really is, and how many alternative treatments work better than the standard of care. And as long as Komen keeps raking in the bucks to support the mammo industry, we will never be given an insurance code that will make thermography a standard of care.

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