APBI, Brachytherapy - anyone?

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  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    I am half way there - 5 treatments down, 5 more to go.  The shorter treatment plan is nice, very nice, but the main reason I feel good about my APBI choice is the sparing of bone, chest wall, heart and lungs.  I would be worried about them for the rest of my life.

    Of course, "time will tell" whether this was the right choice.  But I've been reading journal articles from 2010 or so that suggest for selected women, this is a wise course. 

  • vnorman
    vnorman Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2011

    AnneWisc

         Not sure what your pain threshold is but would suggest you take pain meds when they get ready to take the catheter out.  I took one at 6:00, one at 10:00 and 2 before my last treatment.  I experience pain for about 2 -3 minutes while they twisted and pulled the catheter out.  They did put any stitches in just some gauze.  I put a bandaid on it so i wouldn't have a open spot.  Again i would recommend this for everyone that is a candidate for it.

  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    vnorman, thanks for the tip.  But I ended up not having brachytherapy or the balloon catheter approach, but an external beam treatment that concentrates on just the breast tissue, sparing nearby organs and tissues.  

    I'm going to watch this topic with interest, even if (I hope!) I never need any more treatment.  Cancer treatment keeps getting better and better, but I hope that quality of life and side effects profiles will become an area of greater focus as cure rates go up. 

  • Rockym
    Rockym Member Posts: 1,261
    edited July 2011

    I appreciate your posts ladies.  I am meeting my RO for the 2nd time next week.  I haven't had my surgery yet (8/10/11), but she already did the BRCA test and I was negative.  She and her husband were part of the brachytherapy beginnings and I know she will want to go this way if we can.  I am soooooooooo hoping for no node involvement and an easy rad situation.

  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2011

    Have any of you who have APBI, or IMRT whole breast radiation have it in the prone position (face down)?  It is used for early stage breast cancer and you have to be at least a size "B" cup since the breast has to hang down.

    The radiation does not come from the top - it comes from the right and left sides so your heart, lungs, ribcage and armpit are protected.  Of course they protect the other breast to make sure none of it hangs down as you lie on your stomach.

     I had 35 treatments of external whole breast radiation in the prone position for my stage 1 IDC after I had chemo and I did fine.  I don't know why the prone position is not "pushed' more by the RO - they just usually mention the supine (face up) position.

    Just wanted to place this seed for those of you who have not had their simulation.

    Good luck ladies!

    Judy

  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    I'm having mine in the prone position.  It's a no-brainer, really.  My RO said "we don't do that here (Madison), I think you have to go to Milwaukee" and before I knew it, I had a prone mold ready for fitting!  Apparently, it's not as hard as she thought!!

  • ktab96
    ktab96 Member Posts: 126
    edited July 2011

    Well I had my surgery on June 28th.  I just got my final path report and the doctor said I got all the right answers.  Stage 1, Grade 1, Margins clear, tumor size 1.1 cm. Nodes are clear.  My incisions are healing nicely but I am still sore and swollen.  The doctor want me to start the "walk the wall" exercise.  I was able to do it without a problem.  The Oncologist still wants an Onco score because of my age; but otherwise it looks like I won't need chemo and will be eligiable for the SAVI .  In two weeks I will start my radiation (SAVI method). 

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited July 2011

    I had mammosite radiation in Feb.  My radiologist would not give me any pain meds for removal as he said it is too quick.  I dreaded it all week as the balloon went from between my breast all the way through to the other side.  After the rads nurse deflated the baloon she distracted me with a question then told me it was out! I felt nothing.  She seemed surprised that I thought I would.

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    My first bout with this was in Dec 2009, I had a lumpectomy and was not told about any options except whole breast radiation for 6-7 weeks. Since I research and ask questions, and was told it was Stage I I refused radiation and Avastin. In Feb of 2011, I was diagnosed with a recurrence and my surgeon said it was a good thing I hadn't had the radiation. This time I decided I would have it  but I wanted partial breast internal radiation. My surgeon and Radiation Oncologist were informed prior to surgery. They had discussions before surgery. I had a lumpectomy again. Margins clear no reason not to have what I wanted either Savi or Contura Multi-lumen Catherer. I was advised to see a Plastic Surgeon which I did for consultation. He expressed such delight in my decision to have internal radiation and his disappointment in that many women do not reseach what options are out there. Now, although I am suppose to have  2 of the best doctors in the NYC area, I had my surgery in April 2011 and have been put off by my Radiation Oncologist until June 30 before having the Contura balloon inserted. My surgeon had to refer me to another surgeon because the cavity had formed so much scar tissue he felt this other surgeon would be better and I thank him for that. The other surgeon had a difficult time but found the cavity. The RO still has not started treatment, the ballon has been in 7 days she wants confirmation that the balloon is in the right place from the radiologist who did the first CT and he is on vacation. I am not sure what to do and am depressed by all of this. I am saying all of this to tell you to stay on top of your doctors do not let them get away with putting you off for months. If you can have brachytherapy internal radiation partial breast go for it, this is the best even partial breast external is something to consider before whole breast. I hope his helps and if anyone has any info they can give me I would appreciate it.

  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama, am I understanding you right - your balloon catheter has been in place 7 days and no radiation?  That is terrible coordination!  I would be upset if I were you.

    I am fortunate to be treated at a Comprehensive Cancer Center which has a whole Breast Center within it.  The coordination has been excellent, and I feel there is a multispecialty consult at every step of the way.  At times I have had to push for the options that I wanted, and I sure do NOT believe they tell you all your options ... but once you express your opinion, they do help you get it.

    Actually "whole breast radiation" is still the "standard of care" so nobody could fault the doc for giving it to you, but they should at least tell you all the options and the pluses and minuses. 

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    You're understanding me right 7 days and no radiation keep being put off with excuses for not starting. I am VERY UPSET!

  • kshav6
    kshav6 Member Posts: 25
    edited July 2011
    AnneWisc - I just saw the rad/onc today and will be going through the 16 treatments of accelorated radiation.  From what my rad/onc told me, not many rad/oncs that are not affiliated with a University will even do it.  It has been around about 10 years but is not the "golden standard" of therapy.  He said that the side affects are the same as doing the lower doses at 33 treatments.  I am not 100% sure when I will actually be starting them, but figure it will be next week.  He told me to do the brachytherapy it needs to be done soon after the lumpectomy because once the site heals it is like doing another lumpectomy to get the balloon in, so he does not recommend it (which is why I won't be getting that done since my lumpectomy was back in April).
  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    kshav6, the side effects are probably NOT the same with partial breast irradiation, but what you described sounds like a speeded up schedule but still the full breast irradiation.  You should clarify this.  Two issues:  time duration; and where the radiation actually reaches.

    Blackgama, I think you need to express that sentiment at the RO's office who is supposed to be irradiating you.  Also at the office of the person on vacation.  But either way, this is unacceptable and you should be taken care of on an urgent basis.

    Not sure how you would proceed - because I don't know what medical systems you are involved with.  But getting on the phone or going in person for a nurse appointment and expressing a lot of frustration might do the trick.  Good luck and let us know.

  • vnorman
    vnorman Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama,

    I can understand your frustration.  I had my catheter inserted on a Thursday and started my radiation on a Monday.  I can't understand why there was not more coordoination between the two doctors.  Before my catheter was inserted I received a call from my RO stating that my radiation would start that Monday and my BS was concerned that i would have to keep it in one more weekend since they did not do the simulation on Friday as usual.  I think you need to make some calls and get into people faces.  I will keep you in my thoughts and hope you start radiation soon.

  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama,

    If you are in NYC there are many medical facilities there.  Can you possibly go to another radiation facility and take your reports and have them begin your radiation.  The catheter is already in place so they just need to  get the radiation dosage figured out.

    If I were you I would call around to see if another radfiation facility can begin your radiation - it seems unbelievable that there is no way for your radfiation facility to begin your radiation immediately.  In my facility there were always 2 doctors there who covered one another so there was a RO at the facility every day.

    Please don't just wait - make some calls to see if another facility will tae you.

    Good luck to you.

    Judy

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama,

    The length of time you're waiting would really concern me. If I read your info right you had surgery back in April. I know in my case my BS and Onc. wanted me to begin the radiation as quickly as possible. For we it was 1 month later I began the Contura radiation.

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited July 2011

    "From what my rad/onc told me, not many rad/oncs that are not affiliated with a University will even do it. It has been around about 10 years but is not the "golden standard" of therapy. He said that the side affects are the same as doing the lower doses at 33 treatments."

    kshav, none of these statements are true! The REAL truth is that the ROs don't make as much money from partial breast irradiation, so they tell you stuff to discourage you from wanting it. That makes me so mad! 

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    My procedure for the Contura should have started back in April even early May but again the RO kept putting it off. After speaking with her today she says the balloon is not in the right place and she can not give radiation. So, after having the balloon inserted for 8 days it will be taken out on the 9th day without radiation. I am going to take whatever steps necessary to find out what went on, why the delay in the beginning almost 3 months and the delay after the balloon was inserted and being told by her after simulation and checking position that it looked perfect she now says it is not in the right place and cannot do the radiation. She is scheduled to remove it tomorrow but I don't know that I want her to do it. Any suggestions, thanks for all of your help.

  • vnorman
    vnorman Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2011

    blackgama,

    The balloon could have shifted from being in so long. You should be kicking A_ _ and taking names.  Your RO is being irresponsible and should have referred you to someone else if her schedule could not make room for you. I can tell you that I had one lumpectomy on May 23, one on June 6th.  My catheter was inserted on June 23, the radiation started on June 27th and the catheter was taken out on July 1st. Eight days and no radiation is unacceptable!

  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama,

    I think you really need to find a different RO.  As I said before - you are in NYC and therefore should have enough facilities around.

    I think I saw some ads for the Faber facility or something like that.  Please do some research to see if you can find them.

    Good luck,

    Judy

  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2011

    Blackbama,

    I found their website

    www.thefabercenter.com

    It looks like a wonderful place to be - check them out!

    I live in northern NJ and know of radiation centers in my area.

    Judy

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    Thank you so much for the info. I am afraid to leave the balloon in much longer so I am going to have it taken out. I called the surgeon who put it in but he was in a meeting. I will call him in the morning. I have lost all confidence in my RO so I don't want her to take it out. I probably have so much scar tissue at this point that once the balloon is removed I would not be able to have this procedure. I will contact the Faber Center and speak with someone. I will keep intouch. Again thank you all.

  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama,

    Good luck! 

    You may find that with so much time since your lumpectomy and scar tissue you might not be a candidate for brachytherapy.  Ask about APBI or if you have to have whole breast radiation see if you can have IMRT - intensity modulated radiation therapy.  And if you have to have whole breast radiation see if you're a candidate to have it in the prone (face down) position.  I had mine that way.

    Judy

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    Well, the surgeon who put the balloon in was not available to take it out. I had to let the RO whom I have lost all confidence in remove it. She wanted to talk before removing it and spent the time showing me the pictures (rays) and telling me she went above and beyond to try and do this. When I responded yes, you took 3 months and scar tissue built up while nothing happened. Her response, I sent you for a sonogram at the end of May. I was not going to be too confrontational after all she still had to remove the balloon. Any way it was removed, I have had no radiation, I am high risk have precancerous cells, this was a recurrence and am left very upset, saddened and depressed. I am not sure what my next step should be (I'm thinking a lawyer?) and who to turn to for help. Please someone give me some direction and/or a good lawyer. Thanks much

  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama, your first priority right now is taking care of your health, not exacting revenge.  Set that goal aside until you meet the first one.  In most states, you have 3 years to file a civil tort case (statute of limitations).  The more urgent concern right now is preventing the spread of cancer.

    Since you have had one recurrence already, you might want to give the whole breast thing a consideration.  You also can have external radiation that is partial-breast.  That's what I am doing (have done) although I initially was interested in brachytherapy (internal) treatment.

    Step one right now: shop for a doctor.  (An RO)

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    You are totally right and that's what I need right now is for someone to make me fight for my life. I need to find another RO and would most certainly consider external partial radiation. This RO made no suggestions I was done. We were finished.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    Blackgama I agree with AnneWisc get to a new radiologist quickly. If you are near a cancer center I would give them a call. If not at least ask you BS for the name of someone they would recommend.

    As far as seeing a lawyer take your time get well first. I'm sort of in the same position with having had a very bad Onc. At this time I'm too concerned about staying well. The energy needed to go after a Dr. for me just isn't worth it.

  • peachy-pie
    peachy-pie Member Posts: 201
    edited July 2011

     I had the Savi catheters put in 2 days ago & I start treatment in 2 days.   I went for a dry run yesterday and was surprised to see 11 little tubes sticking out of me rather then one.   My doctor was not very informative,  but the team at the cancer center sure was.   They took the time to explain everything to me and I love them there.   I am sore & uncomfortable.    Moving certain ways makes it more sore,  so i've been very careful.    It is very bulky under my arm and I have to take Keflex daily to prevent infection.     I get it out Friday after my last treatment,  praying that it's easy & doesn't cause too much pain.    But I was told this is more accurate & more effective then mammosite.    Hoping this week goes by fast!  :)

  • AnneWisc
    AnneWisc Member Posts: 476
    edited July 2011

    Good luck with your week, peachy-pie - it may not be much fun at the time, but you'll sure be happy when it's over and no more running in daily for treatment.

  • Blackgama
    Blackgama Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    An update - I found a new Rad Onco and when I told my surgeon he spoke very highly of him. We are on the fast track due to the lenght of time this has taken and my history. I will be having the canadian treatment, prone position if possible. Thanks for keeping my head on straight as to what is really important.

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