Taxotere is a nightmare

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  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited June 2011

    I had swelling as well and was absolutely convinced it was the Herceptin.  The swelling stopped about 4-5 wks PFC.  The bottoms of my feet also get really sore - some nights when I climb into bed, it feels like I've walked miles and miles.  Ankles get very sore too....

    I traded in my Walmart flipflops and invested in a pair of "FitFlops" sandals - VERY comfy and have good support.  I had bought a pair of "FitFlop" clogs last fall and they were fantastic over the winter.  For any distance walking or mild runs, I always wear my runners - they are New Balance.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited June 2011

    lago, I purchased insoles online about a year ago at FootSmart.com.

    They are called ProArch 3/4 length orthotics and cost about $20.  I had done an online search for reviews on insoles because my legs/feet would ache after six hours of being at work.  These seemed to have the best reviews.  They made a difference for me.  I did not really read good reviews on the Dr. Scholls insoles. 

  • supersally
    supersally Member Posts: 351
    edited June 2011

    I try to wear comfy, supportive flip flops as much as I can (even at work when I can get away with it).  Swelling is definitely worse for me depending on humidity, heat, and SALT!  I had some popcorn at a movie and the cankles started swelling up like balloons...Lesson learned.  I haven't had any alcolhol to try and prevent it, and am cutting back on my caffeine gradually.  During early post-chemo I had to have my caffeine in the morning to get myself going.   I will get back to decaf within the week though.  I'm at 5 weeks PFC tomorrow.  Crossing my fingers that no new SE's pop up...

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited June 2011

    Just checking in. I have been on a true vacation this past week, and for the first time in months woke up thinking the Dali Lama's prayer: "Today, I am thankful I woke up." I am developing strength and stamina and a better attitude, eating better, still need my sleep meds, and am so glad to wake up next to the one I love, the one I went through all this crap for to begin with. And I am looking forward to another day, one at a time.

    I seemed to have had more upper body affects from the taxotere - teeth and mouth still incredibly bothersome, fingers numb and tingly and painful with typing, and my arms are so sore all the time.  I remember having about a week where I just could not move them to even pick up a glass to drink from.  I had a little weakness in my legs then, too, but not nearly as bad as arms. But I think things are beginning to improve a little this week, and I have been able to "force" myself to eat like a pig because my taste has come back and the food here is soooo good despite the mouth/teeth pain that follows for a few hours.

    Fingernails are FINALLY improving, toenails just now getting to the stage where those chemo lines are approaching the ends of my toes, so I am being careful with sandals, etc. that they can catch on (learned my lesson with the fingernails!).

    I finished 3rd round taxotere in Nov, completed #4 with adriamycin substitute in Dec. LONG LONG journey, not a pleasant one, but one that showed me how to love others more than I ever understood before.

    Marjie, I'm not sure I noticed your photo before - is this current hair style? Mine is about the same lenghth, but beginning to look a bit shaggy.  Wondering what to do about it.... Thinking maybe the wig wasn't such a bad deal after all, except in the hot summer! Wink

    Hugs to you all, Linda

  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited June 2011

    Hi Ladies- I am really relating to your posts.Especially yours, Linda!

    It's been a very long journey and yesterday I finally finished with everything- it was my last Rads treatment! I got to sit with the my RO and I had a meltdown. I cried and said I wanted to feel like I am 49 and not 89.I have been thrown into chemopause, and I have a white hair growing in, (I have colored my hair all these years because in our family the gray starts in early)  The one breast that didn't have cancer seems to really have gone farrrrrr south and I am so sore. I have been confused what the real issue is, because the last few weeks I felt like no one was really listening when I asked about pain and weakness.  Well, the good thing was, yesterday they were all ears. She asked me if I had Taxol or taxotere... and she responded that Taxanes are definitely not nice to the body. I guess I am just trying to say I felt validated. I had been hearing from the Chemo nurses and the Rad techs that I was too far out from Chemo for certain side effects, and that the side effects I was mentioning were not related to radiation.

    I finished Taxotere in April, and I watch as my nails are slowly growing out in a healthy pink. They are a little less than halfway. I think i will be losing the nails on my big toes, they are still hanging in there though. My hair started falling out after I finished the Taxotere, like many of you here, I had bald spots... and the sides are growing faster than the top just like many have mentioned. I loose my balance easily, and sometimes I walk so slow my daughter has commented- Mom, I am walking slow and you are walking really slow!

    Rads this last week for me has not been easy- some of the little blisters under my breast in the crease have opened and by my underarm and it is incredibly painful. I was one of the ones that got to lay like superman while I was given radiation treatments, and then had boosts done on my back. I struggle to life my arms over my head. Is this bacause my arms would fall asleep while holding my arms in the superman position? I have been given a powder to mix with water, and dip cloth in to make 'soaks' for the raw area under my breast. I have had fatigue, but I feel like the stiffness, soreness, weakness has also lent to my tiredness!

    I have learned so much. I am grateful for my life, family and friends. I have been blessed to feel so much love.

    I would have been lost without these boards and all the wonderful women here!

  • CarylC
    CarylC Member Posts: 230
    edited June 2011

    I had #4 TCH yesterday.  Asked the onc about my sudden 6 pound weight gain and huge feet ankles and calfs.  Had to go buy bigger shoes and they still don't fit.  He said it was the Taxotere and the steroids.  But because of the muscle pain, he wanted me to take more steroids.  I refused.  I'd rather be in pain and have to sit and rest or avoid stairs than look like a freak and not be able to wear sandals or comfy shoes.  He did give me an rx for a diuretic but only for 7 days.  I'm not sure that will help.  I was worried about it being from the Herceptin because I also had a vein pop out on my left side that I can follow from my port to my waist but they said that was nothing to worry about.  I've never had a varicose vein on my upper body before so I am worried anyway. 

    2 more then rads and just Herceptin, I think I can do this . . . I think I can, I think I can . . .

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2011

    carylc - there are a bunch of us dealing with the sudden fluid gain.  My onc gave me a diuretic the day of #5 because I was visibly swollen, and my node arm was larger than the other.  Almpost immediately I lost 10 lbs., but then 5 came back the next week.  I had a 30 day supply but no refills which took me to a week past #6.  When I had not taken it for 3 days I gained 5 more lbs and was so puffy looking they made me sit and took my blood pressure!  They put me back on it, now that 5 lbs. has gone, but I still have some fluid retention.  I know that some of  my total weight gain (10 lbs.) is actual weight probably from less activity, but some is definitely fluid.  My onc said it is a catch-22, steroids are for swelling but they cause swelling...  You can do this, and you will!  It will all be ok eventually - that is what I keep telling myself!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2011

    On chemo I put on 8lbs of fluid everytime I stopped the steriod. (Yes the steriods actually kept my fluid down). I'm still on a small amount of fluid pill because I will put on about 5lbs with out it. It will get better once you are off chemo. I am taking an unusually long time but it might also be the Herceptin (although they don't think so).

  • CarylC
    CarylC Member Posts: 230
    edited June 2011

    Thanks for the encouragement.  It seems like each round brings a new challenge!  I am definitely becoming a stronger person throughout all of this.  It so helps to have others to share with!!!

  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited June 2011

    I never had the fluid weight gain..... I just gained a lot of weight while on the chemo from all the steroids... Taxotere did bring on a new adventure daily. I am 4 months out and I feel better every day. Good luck with your treatment.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited July 2011

    Just thought some of you might be interested in a study done to look at a topical preparation for CIPN:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20496177

    Dr. Deb Barton has done a LOT of research on quality of life issues for breast (and other) cancer survivors.

  • sylvialynn2
    sylvialynn2 Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2011

    It may be a good thing that I did not check out the breastcancer.org site more before treatment.  I just completed 4 treatments of taxotere and cytoxan and breezed through it, with the exception of yeast overgrowth starting on day 4 after treatment.  After the first treatment I called the oncologist and was told by the PA that they had not had that reaction before.  After the second treatment, I called and made an appointment with my family doctor right away when the rash came back in more places.  She gave me a prescription for Diflucan to take the day after treatment.  It helped with treatments 3 and 4.  I did not get the bone pain with the Neulasta but then I started babysittng my "grand-dog" and went from no exercise to walking him 4 times a day.  Could not tell if the shin splints were from the walking or meds.  I did the the tearing eyes but thought it was from sitting and reading too much.  I seem to have a way of explaining away any pain or symptoms rather than attributing them to the meds.  There have been so many changes since diagnosis that it is sometimes hard to tell.  At least there have been more positives than negatives.  Wishing you all the best.  This truly is a journey that takes us down an unexpected path that alters our lives.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited July 2011

    Sylvia, that's great to know at least someone REALLY did come through this without major issues - most of us here seem to have had some problems and needed to talk about them, and I, for one, forget that many women do NOT have these SEs.  Thanks for reminding us, and for the encouragement for other women contemplating these drugs.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited July 2011
    n3ypb - How is your neuropathy doing?  Mine is very very slowly getting better I think.  Less tingling sensations and smaller areas of numbness. 
  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited July 2011

    Omaz, not sure if the topical cream is helping the hands a bit.  Feet still have mild issues, teeth bother me a lot. Seems to get worse when I am tired or stressed, and unfortunately, when I have a glass of red wine.  Sometimes I just throw cares to the wind and have the wine anyway! I DO think the cream has helped resolve the abnormal sensations, but I am still hypersensitive and tinlgling, yet feels numb until I touch something. Very odd.  Anyway, I am less distressed and coping better.  Thanks for asking.  Glad to hear you are getting better also!  We will hang in there!

  • CrimsonQ66
    CrimsonQ66 Member Posts: 55
    edited July 2011

    About day 11 after my first round of TC, my ankles blew up and my feet look like pillows.  I called the MO today to let her know that my regular hydrochlorothiazide was not cutting it for the cankles, so she called in Lasix.  I'm praying this helps.  I am in flip flops and about to balloon out of what I have.  And my belly gets bloated too.  I want to look somewhat normal. Oy!!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011
    Crimson I too had that issue. By the time I got to my 3rd tx I couldn't zip up my boots. I was always bloated. All I can say is once chemo ends it really does all get better. Really.
  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited July 2011
    Crimson - the swelling does go away, I noticed significant improvement about 5 weeks post chemo.  Are you taking steroids for the taxotere?
  • geocachelinda
    geocachelinda Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2011

    I just had my first Taxol treatment on Mon.  On Tuesday I had sore toes and fingers but today Wed, I was hit with the pains running up and down my legs and into my bottom, vagina and abdomen.  I got some hydrocodone but it isn't very effective.  I hope this doesn't last too long. 

  • nmoss1000
    nmoss1000 Member Posts: 357
    edited July 2011

    Hi Geocachelinda sorry to hear of your pain. Did you have Nuelasta? I had the Nuelasta and suffered from terrible pain each TX, finally tramadol worked after TX 3. best of luck to you.

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited July 2011

    Here is my 8 week post taxotere ( PFC) update. I still have neuropsthy in both feet..soles. My leg weakness is very slowly improved but still not back to normal. My eyebrows thinned but are still there but I now have only one eyelash. Hair is barely visible but I can feel some peach fuzz on my head. My nails are hanging in there but the 3 ridges on eacn nail are now feeling like very fine raised layers that could be picked off..(hard to describe this) and are slightly discoloured. My taste buds have not improved a lot..meat and starches just don't taste right and my mouth is always dry. I have more nergy the past few weeks..finally..but have had 22 radiation treatments so far so we'll see how long that lasts.The areas on the back of both hands and one arm where I had the taxotere rash are stil l"stained" pale pink. It's been a very slow process.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011

     EmilyIn Ontario if you mouth is dry you should really try the biotene mouth wash. I used it all through chemo and a bit after till I finished the bottle. It might even help a little with the taste issue. The neuropathy takes a long time to go away. I still have it in my heel but a little better. My last chemo Jan 18th. Nails take time too. I'm still growing them out. I had lifting and sore nail beds and still dealing with that issue but the discomfort not so bad. Toenails look like shit.

    It takes time. Some people longer than others but it does get better.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited July 2011
    Emily - My neuropathy is slowly getting better.  I am 8 months out from last treatment.
  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited July 2011

    Emily, I agree with Omaz. I am also about 8 months out, just finally at the last ridge of the fingernail chemo lines and STILL feel like they are a little fragile, so am very careful about opening plastic lids, etc.  Toenails are about half-way grown but not so bad as the fingernails. I still have neuropathy in fingers, face/mouth/teeth, but am hopeful that things are going to get better (every once in a while I can be distracted and have minimal distress from symptoms), and my energy is about 75% of what it was a year ago - MUCH better than 3 months ago!!!! It IS a slow process, but hang in there!

    I have been seeing a medical toxicologist for the neuropathy, and will see a neurologist next week (took that long for my PCP and MO to get their act together and help find someone who MIGHT be able to help me) - the toxicologist has been the best help so far - she is actually quite knowledgeable about mechanisms of nerve damage from LOTS of different chemicals and drugs. I think I posted something on here about topical treatment, and if not, it is on one of the neuropathy threads. I don't want to be repetitious, so let me know if you want more info.

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2011

    I have had my first taxotere last week and have been fairly okay so far. After 3x FEC it is a breeze. I am taking LAcetyl Carnitine to prevent neuropathy and so far I have had no tingles or numbness anywhere in feet or hands.

    If you have developed neuropathy on taxotere, when did you first feel symptoms???

    I am hoping the LAC will prevent problems but am vigilant with 2 treatments still to come. The FEC SEs were quite cumulative- have others felt this with taxotere as well ? The fatigue has been the major SE so far.

    Thank you for advice! Robyn

  • Maria_Malta
    Maria_Malta Member Posts: 961
    edited July 2011

    Hello Robyn, I have taken 2 out of 4 Taxotere, after already having had 4 FEC... worst Taxotere SE for me seems to be the extreme fatigue..  with the first cycle I got slight tingling in feet and flu like symptoms, bad taste and 'concrete' stomach, (though no nausea.), but exhaustion was actually worse than all of these.. with second cycle I ate very very lightly before during and after chemo (I know you are one of the people on the fasting thread) and had no stomach/digestive issues, and took Nurofen on Sunday when steroids were losing their effect.. Second session went MUCH better as a result, but exhaustion about the same, hitting me on day 4 and lasting for about 4-5 days...good luck!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011
    Robyn_S I think it was very slight afer the 1st treatment in my left heel. After 2nd treatment I also got some pins & needles in both hands. At that point I started the Acetyl L Carintine. Never got it in my hands again. It came and went in my left heel but after the 5th tx it never went away. It's slowly getting better.
  • FrancesC
    FrancesC Member Posts: 346
    edited July 2011

    Hi, anyone get the runs whilst on Taxotere or cytoxin?

  • neecee
    neecee Member Posts: 663
    edited July 2011

    FrancesC - yes.  I am in the middle of cycle 3 of 4 TC, and have had problems with diahrrea on all three cycles.  I started using a 12 strain probiotic in the middle of cycle 2, and although I still have diahrrea this cycle, it is not nearly as bad as in the previous cycles.

  • FrancesC
    FrancesC Member Posts: 346
    edited July 2011

    Thanks neecee - I just popped in 2 probiotics pills.  Hope they help.

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