Medical Industrial Complex

Just so you all know there is more than just cancer. We all have lives, and sometimes things other than our diagnosis is more important to us.

Leia, what,s FOCC and how much D do u take ? Do u do protein apart from the cottage cheese ? and the Budwig, once a day at breakfast ?

What is it? 1 in 3 men and 1 in ? women will die of cancer. How many are walking around with cancer and don,t know it. I had been walking around with it for at least 10 years before dx. The tumour was not 2 cm. i may have mets but machines don,t detect anything smaller than 1 cm, so i,m not fooling myself. Technology has its limits and physicians are sorry to have to admit that. There is no miracle being performed here. So yes, definitely, boosting the immune system makes a lot of sense.

Leia, are u ER+ ?

hi leia, you may find the topic called 'adjvnt therapy destroys or delays growth of stray bc cells' interesting and relevant. It has some very interesting information on overdiagnosis, and chemo therapy. I was shocked by the stats re deaths from treatment/cancer/non treatment.

maybe someone could start a thread called 'positive chemo responses and outcomes'...as i for one have been made more fearful of chemo by reading the chemo support threads, than i have been by any alternative thread.

leia: you story about your friend's death reflects alot of my thinking these days. why is it that at stage IV, we are given a 2yr survival time frame from DX for the majority,...why do the majority of us die so soon after commencing treatment? A study that a member here posted in a thread looked at very long term stage IV survivors and their treatments etc...only one long term survivor had chemo, the majority had hormonal therapy only. im sorry if this sounds harsh but the reality is that some people die from chemo, some respond well. some suffer quality of life...though life is often extended. No treatment cures stage IV.. though spontaneous remission is rare but possible. what brings that about is the $$ question.

i think i, for one, will forgo chemo, and let nature take its course once the hormonals stop working(based on chronic sinus infection issues, and my personal ideas of qol). I have a scan in 3 weeks to check for progression..so finger's crossed. I wonder if there are stats on survival after dx in the years prior to chemo being standard treatment. it seems it still doesnt offer much.

leia, i was aiming the suggestion at those who feel the need to battle the alt posts...the point being that we are all able to educate ourselves by perusing the various forums here. I am looking into diet and lifestyle changes, and will check out your new thread, thanks. It is definately a personal choice, and it does not lessen my admiration for those who choose to battle with chemo as their weapon. I just wanted to say that i need and like threads such as yours, overviewing treatment options and medical opinion, instead of being stuck in a blind admiration for the world of oncology.

leia, sorry if you find yourself hammered to the point that you resort to only uploading pics in the near future...it happens, and somehow you will be accused of stirring up the anger of those who chose chemo, and you will be thinking...'huh?..how did this happen, i was just wanting to share something''..you will soon be accused of stirring the pot, having another ID, 'attacking' (which is a joke) it will all be turned around on you, and your post may be deleted, and it will result in everyone feeling sorry for the strong women who bombard these alt posts....OR maybe, you will be allowed to continue you train of thought, and post information for those interested in your choices...that is yet to be seen, you have my sympathy.

Of course chemo has killed people, you dont have to have had it to know that???..what is this denial thing going on? there are success stories, and very sad stories.....it is a risk that we all choose to either take, or not take.

Leia - I wasn't aware that you own this thread, just because you started it. If people with different opinions want to post here - we can and will. I personally think that the word Alternative should be removed from the forum title and any "alternative quackery" be banned from this site all together. Seeing you live in such a litigious country, I'm sure you wouldn't want to be sued for something you wrote on here that was followed blindly by someone who ended up dead.

This thread hurts my heart, it's so sad.

Thank you to the women who are fighting for any newbie's who might be reading this post.

It would be so sad to think they could be mislead and hurt themselves.

I said I would not post on here again, but I just have to say, God is the ultimate physcian!!!

chemo, or alternitive, we only have so much control. Time is so precious, don't waste it like this.

I think it might rain, the the Lords tears.

I think we should due all we can to rid of our cancer, western med + alternitive=all we can due!!!!!!

Take out your cancer, use the medicine that helps us stay alive, and then eat all the fruits and veggie's you can get your hands on!!!!!!! Supplements ect..... And live life , enjoy being alive, everyday is a gift, anyone newly dx needs to understand, you need medical advice, get very educated before making any decsions please!

I pray you all find the peace you need!!!

J, keep up the good work,

God bless you all, this is not healthy behavior!!!

Faithful

I do not believe that Patzee is a man, nor do I think she is the same as Luan.  They're both going through difficult times.  Patzee has from the beginning had enormous anxiety around her decision to forgo treatment, at one point she said as much.  She is finding comfort in her decision by her scorched earth approach to everyone who decided differently, like she has to WIN the argument (that can never be won) in order to prove to herself she made the right call.  I think the constant posting of affirmations is similar.  It isn't going to help, because her contentiousness is just continuing the argument, which will just continue the anxiety that is causing it to begin with.  I wish she would just reach some kind of peace with her decision and we'll know she's reached that point when she can say "I've done whats right for me; I don't care what you choose for yourself."  She isn't there yet.

Luann is different because she did chemo and she's had a rough time.  And she might have mets.  I can totally understand her anger, but I'm not sure she perceives how hostile she is toward everyone else.  And the constant posting of lawsuits that have nothing to do with anything is, i think, another way to bridge the cognitive dissonance.  Someone, somewhere must have done something evil for me to be in this position. 

and fear too