Medical Industrial Complex

It's liar. Not you, Luan.

This is my favourite "grrr" picture - your post made me think of it (couldn't find the one I was thinking of but here is a substitute):

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Sunfowers - you're right!  Susan/Rainbow/Patzee is Mind Over Matter/Jim.  Sisters - we have been responding to a male that doesn't have, or ever had BC.  

Time for the ignore button.

rainbowpony?

How bad do you think chemo is? Trust me transfusions of 2 units of platelets and 3 units of packed cells are worse. Cancer treatment is not the worst thing you can go through.

Working from this dinky telephone, i thought u were talking to me and was wondering what the hell..but hey, you got MY answer

i have a better idea, orange: time to hit "report this post" button. these outrageous posts that are openly defiant and vicious. and i think you are right about troll issues.

time to take out the brooms. i notice Luan and her like rarely respond to thoughtful, REAL posts such as Petjunkies. hmmm. as a former supervisor used to say to the social work team: everything is diagnostic.

petjunkie, thank you for sharing - and you are in my prayers.

leah: right on.

xo

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Now, now, Rosemary is cheating...na na na, u had first addressed your question to me, re edited your post to address it to rainbowpony, that is really really distateful

Luan- I hope you get what you need- it is a bummer going through the maze. I got the same "You will die from something else speech" right before doc wanted me to take AI:) And yet she has proved to be a good woman even approaching friend status. WHile she doe snot agree with my choices she is supporting them.

As far as the last post - it was by Susan...not Orange and I believe it was chiding her for having the audacity to accept pay for her work. I am thinking unless we volunteer I sure as hell don't go to work for free. This is supposed to be an inclusive place, not attack zone. What's up next? Atheists? Jews? Christians? Chubby people? Government workers? Car Salespeople (ok, maybe car sales people DO need to be called out:) but you get my drift.

Susan- I have not seen where you have mentioned your DX....did you? If you did, sorry I missed it in the flurry of posts. Only reason I ask is that I do care about all the women on here who have been tripped and dipped by BC. I know it has made me crazed at times. Lots of times. Angry, as well. Usually when people strike out it seems to be from fear, pain or a really really bad experience with whatever is being discussed. Or all of the above.

Fine

I made a mistake and changed the name on my post because I put the wrong name the first time I posted. But I think a reasonable mind could understand my confusion. I will address it to both of you. Chemo was bad but better than what my daughter went through.

Oh and please do carry on without me. Anything else I say on here will also be misconstrued or ignored as have my points so far. So there is no point. Except, say what you will clinical trials and not anecdotal evidence proves modern medicine works. Wouldn't it be nice if we could change facts by shouting down the opposition. Sorry, that doesn't work.

This section is for alternative and complimentary, so that includes people who have had conventional.  In fact, the complimentary thread is very positive and helpful and really includes the kind of discussion of alternative treatments that belong here, but without the screaming accusations toward women who also had chemo.

I will be watching for that response.

Hey, keep me out of this.

sigh...it is confusing. Luan- just exhale and give yourself more credit. You don't need to align with anyone- there are no enemies-the whole point is getting through crap intact....say what YOU feel and what YOU think and I can almost guarantee it will all be easier. You know more than you think. We all do once we get BC. No choice.

As for the others so obviously having fun tossing out little bombs...I don't get it. I don't like people that prey on others fears and try to reel them in when they really do not care about that person at all. They see a weak spot and pounce on it so they can add to their merry band. When I come across someone I don't get along with and if I can't have any kind of rational conversation, or they try to get me to somehow" be on their side" I run. I don't like running. I just don't like cruelty. And I am not talking about it being directed to me. I have my big girl panties on. But there are others who are obviously influenced and that is not right. It is cruel and I do not know what the upside of it is. Some kind of skewed joy while you pull the strings? I think you know exactly what I am talking about.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I've come to agree with Luan. The OP made it clear it was for "alternative" medicine discussion only, and although it is too bad we can't debate civilly at this point, maybe it's best to leave this thread to folks who are hardliners.

The thread Susieq started on conventional/complimentary blend is a great one, with fabulous ideas and lots of sharing.

I find the OP's words amusing "if you are dead set on ..." ...because hell, many of us would be dead without it!

 just practice what you preach to others ("Please respect our opinions") and all will be well.

rainbowpony, a few pages back (yeah, I took the day off!) did you really say that if you had to do it over again, you would not have had your lumpectomy, and you'd have let your tumor "take care of itself"???

Really?

You're not even a year out from your surgery. Leaving in an aggressive tumor that has already invaded a node doesn't sound like a wise thing, to me.

But I work in the medical field, so what do I know.

Saying stuff like that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's OKAY to have some conventional treatment to reduce the tumor load, then work like crazy with alternatives to try and keep the rest of the cells from migrating (if they haven't already.) That's the crux of what most people here are trying to say--do what you need to do to hit the cancer right away. Then choose how you want to live the rest of your life. Most of us actually DO choose a blend of conventional with alternative (which equals complimentary, to my poor brain, anyway.)