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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011
  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited July 2011

    I know Athena- it bummed me out....the trip was a wash in many ways when i combine the food poisoning with general malaise:)

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited July 2011

    The amusing thing is: most doctors admit they don't know everything, and oncologists definitely admit it. Can't have it both ways: knock them for failing to know everything about the disease, and then knocking them for admitting it.

    And if it's"cure" conspiracy theories you're into: I bet Conspiracy Theorist #1 aka Suzanne Somers (oh, aka Chrissy from 3s Company too) has made mountains more cash than my sweet oncologist, who works 5 days a week, treating patients. and don't bother having a heart attack/seizure over calling him sweet, because he is. :) 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Germ-Infested Doctors Office Magazines Sell Purell

    washyourhands.jpg

    JWT Toronto has created an ambient campaign for its client Purell, a hand sanitizer lotion. The campaign uses a simple but what would seem to be effective approach by placing stickers on magazines in doctors offices with copy such as "Thumbed through by sick people since September 2005" and "Gently sneezed on since October 2002." The stickers point to a website, washyourhands.tv, which explains the benefits of Purell. Nice work.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    I must agree as well. My BS and the Onc. I have now as well as the rad. guy did want the best for me and still do. I think it is as frustrating for them as it is for us. Now I'm not saying that's true for all Dr's, bu I feel it is true for most of them. That even included the rad guy who gave me the creeps.

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited July 2011

    @hillck: mine is too. it feels frightening to hear the uncertainty, but when you're working with a good doc, you still feel safer, knowing s/he will do the best for you. i guess it's the best we've got, for now!

    ps: yes, you've arrived..LOL

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited July 2011

    kira, right on...i still remember the day when i saw my BS for f/u, and my MRI was back and it was clear - he furrowed his brow and said earnestly, "you know, WE wait on pins and needles too....we just want you to be okay!" i had tears in my eyes.

    ouch - why did the rad guy creep you out?

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    Oh lets just say he looked at my upper half a little to intently. I was very glad my husband was in the room, that's all I will say. The BS asked my on Friday if I had had a follow up with that guy, and I sort of said no do you think I need to? Thank goodness he sid no.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    hillck I have a question when you have neoadjuvant chemo before surgery what does the path report reflect?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Joining in to say how much I respect and appreciate all my doctors.  Feel sorry for people who have had a negative experience that they'd express blanket condemnation.  I've had doctors I didn't want to continue seeing, and so just went to a different doctor.

    Feel blessed to be seeing the team of doctors, nurses, all the people I've interacted with at Dana Farber Cancer Institute.  Don't go to the acupuncturist there, because it's just too long a drive for me, so I see an ancupuncturist who lives near by.  Really could never understand why anyone would condemn a whole sector of society, when so many people in it do so much good.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    My BS had wanted to get me into a trial that would have frozen the tumor. They have used it on patients with noninvasive tumors for years, but now they are trying to see if it can be as good as having surgery. I wonder if those patents would be classified as having a complete response to treatment. To me it looked very promising for those with small tumors. I wasn't able to be part of the trial because I have ILC.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    hillck

    that is SUCH a wonderful story, experience you've shared.  So happy for you to have had that result.  I too can remember the most wonderful empathy from all the people treating me.  Oncologists see so much that must be so painful for them, I often wondered how they could keep doing what they do, and still be able to welcome the next patient, being kind and HOPEFUL for each of us.  I especially appreciated the nurses in the infusion center - boy, they were angels, literally!

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited July 2011

    I think we can all agree that people shouldn't abuse prescription and OTC drugs.

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited July 2011

    agreed MOC- right up there with running into the street without looking both ways. :)

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2011

    We should probably stop and consider why med students would ever choose oncology as their specialty....I worked with many oncologists over the years in a teaching hospital.  Along with seeing patients, all were involved in either clinical or basic research (or both).  They weren't in it for the money -- if so, they would have chosen much more lucrative specialties.  And specialties where it's easy to treat a patient and tell her "You're cured", rather than "I'm so sorry, there are no more treatments available".

    Well, I suppose maybe there are oncs who thrive on giving bad news -- fortunately, I've never met one.  There are also some who have never quite mastered the "art" of medicine and really don't deal with patients compassionately, even though they are themselves passionate about what they do.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    MOTC

    echo of what Britchik said, just love reading your words!  No matter how many C&P's try to lead into a different world, your REALITY check is always welcome.

    Hillck - I think so many of us feel the way you & I do.  After my last infusion, the nurse was cheering with me, laughing, and saying "I never want to see you again." with the widest smile on her face.  Just angels.  Also love the women who would come around and ask if I wanted a sandwich, or some fruit.  They never offered books, cuz I always had one, and the friend who was with me had a pile in her tote bag, along with our favorite crossword puzzles.  How those Angels made such a difficult experience, sometimes almost pleasant, still amazes me.

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited July 2011

    susieq58 wrote: Yasmin - if they are doing "alternative" and chemo then I would call that complementary. Alternative means no traditional medicine at all.

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    Susie,

    If they are doing "alternative" and chemo, that's called "integrative", actually.

    And I am still saying that I don't see anything wrong with researching, and then turning to, more innovative treatments (OK, that includes trustworthy, evidence-based *alternatives*) when *conventional* treatments start to look like they are simply not going to solve the problem (and just glancing through the Stage IV forum, it looks like that happens quite often).Frown

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    I could have sworn that this thread is in the Forum: Alternative, Complementary & Holistic Treatment.  In this forum, I would not normally expect to see post after post extolling the virtues of chemo and gushing over how wonderful oncologists are?????   Oh well...

    Luan, I love your post about the "gently sneezed on" magazines in doctors' waiting rooms.  After years of dealing with kids coming down with "something" a couple of days after touching a toy or book at routine check ups, I always carry my own reading material, and try to touch as few surfaces in those waiting rooms as possible.  YUK!!!!!!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    That is a callous remark, Susan. Wait until you need medications to live. Or are we to assume that you will die the martyr's death?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    You,re in the right place Patmom. The owners of BCO saw fit to create this forum for like-minded BC sisters to congregate and exchange ideas and info. Have to wonder how they would react finding out that these threads are hijacked and civilized discussions are impossible.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    I would not expect to find post after post denigrating modern medicine, oncologists, treatments, etc. in a Breast Cancer Forum.   

    hijacked?   hijacking is done by people with masks (i.e. socks).. please note all the posts deleted by moderators.... someone(s) making it hard on them.    To make it easy perhaps a forum should be created  - TRASH THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT FORUM.   I don't know how you'd keep people out.. that doesn't seem legal somehow.  Perhaps it could be.  It would probably have to be voluntary.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    apple, totally off topic, but just saw you here. Yesterday you had some pics of your kids on some forum no idea which, but must say you are well blessed with your family.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Yes, very first post was deleted on this thread, guess who is giving the moderators a hard time

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    wonder who the "us" is?  This forum is for Complementary care too, implying that indiviuals will have other treatments and want to do othere things that might help -

    there is a thread for Alternative/Holistic only, if that is what someone is looking for.  In a Forum which includes Complementary approaches, and may be visited by women new to BC.org, I think it makes good sense to try to have information that includes those not condemning all doctors, and their medicine.  

    Those comments about women in the Stage IV Forum, are too hideous to even mention.  Just so sad anyone would write something like that in a board visited by women with bc - reagrdless of the Stage, but specially if they are Stage IV.  Just so savage.  Quite a contrast to the "c&P" used in other threads.  Hypocrisy? 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    Susan, by "us" do you mean to employ the royal "we" or are you being fooled by your own sock puppets?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Watch that salty vocabulary CS if you don,t want to get reported
    . We,ll just have to ask Leia to add the word ONLY in her OP. Problem solved !!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    ah, sock puppets.  Oh, dear, being reported.  Instead of being sent one of those "loving messages" found on other threads...don't threaten me, I wasn't the one who said those things about women in the Stage IV Forum.

    well, been reported before - but I think the Moderators know what's going on!Seems so many who joined BC.org in last Spring 2011 post such similar things....

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