Medical Industrial Complex
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i have to agree on elmcity's point- one can't say (well they can say it but it is not true) that they are purely alternative after undergoing any kind of conventional treatment. Even if you refuse further surgery. And since surgery is the oldest of all the treatments in regards to BC, it does not get much more conventional than that. Can't be a little bit pregnant. I was radically conservative in my choice to have a BMX and after exhaustive research, as well as a not so delightful experience with one tablet of armidex, looked at other alternatives (a little pun I could not resist).
As for the exhaustive list on how to repair a body and live like a chimp...I am not a chimp (viva la difference), nor do I care to spend the rest of my life living a micromanaged life consumed with avoidance...there would be far too little time spent living...
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rainbowpony, I do worry you didn't have the re-excision. I needed to have that done, and felt it was important to have as my BS say wide margins. He is of the opinion surgery is the most important part, the rest is so to speak extra protection.
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Time 4 me to call it a night, i think some have had too much to drink...
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"the person who lives the longest wins."
wow, that is deep thinking. if that's the best one can take from the whole trauma of cancer, well, good luck with that.
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patzee~
I also do not understand why you sign on and bash chemo and those people that have done it.
I do not get on the Alternative thread with all the pretty pictures and bash alternatives...
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@ nancy - maybe what we need is champagne! it will be easier to ignore craziness.
yes, some folks stoop low - it must be their only defense.
ang7 - good point.
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I felt great when I was diagnosed with cancer. I was running, eating healthy food and everyone said I looked great. But there it was. So i know that just because you feel great doesn't mean you don't have cancer.
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I also felt great when I found out i had cancer. It is very unnerving to me to know how we can have it growing in us but still feel good.
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rainbowpony, you are exactly right. This is what is going on in this thread. The people that bought in to the Medical Industrial Complex "treatments" and are now suffering the side effects, hear from people on this thread, well me, anyway, that never had them and for me, 5 years later, I'm fine. No breast cancer recurrence. With only surgery, no radiation or Tamoxifen. Not only that, no signs of my Leiomyosarcoma cancer, either.
That is always the issue that I've had with this Discussion Board. Breast cancer is not the only cancer that could kill you. To repeat, I had the Leio cancer. And Leiomyosarcoma literally kills most of the women that get it. I know of one woman, personally. She worked at my place of employment. She had had uterine fibroids, for 10 years. She'd even carried a baby to full term, 1.5 years before she died.
After the baby was born, the Medical Industrial Complex started "looking in" to these fibroids. The fibroids were actually Leio. She started chemo and was dead, within nine months. This is anecdotal but this did happen.
My point? This woman might have lived longer without the chemo. She had already lived for 10 years with it.
But in any event, breast cancer is not the only threat that we face. We have to start treating the condition of our bodies that causes cancer to first arise. And the way that we can do this is to build up our immune systems. As so many on this board have posted, before.
So, I just repeat. We have to build up our immune systems. What I'm doing is the Budwig FOCC and the Vitamin D3. My D3 level is 80 at last count. When I had the 2cm IDC it was 18. and the MIC said that was "normal." Well, clearly it was not, I had a 2cm IDC.
Many on this board are waiting for "studies" to "prove" D3 or whatever. Well, I don't need "proof."
And with the FOCC, for which there will NEVER be any studies, the "proof" for me is in how I feel. Since I started the FOCC, back in January, 2009. In January, 2009, I had a Breast MRI and the result was BIRAD 5. You have cancer, again. Then, I had the biopsy and it was BIRAD 1, Negative. No cancer. The SCCA was freaking out, then they wanted me to have a MRI Biopsy. The results were "discordant" or something.
I just walked away to the FOCC. And have never looked back.
I feel so GREAT. It really changed my life. I am just so much calmer. More focused. My life just incredibly better. With both the FOCC and the D3. And by now, starting my Green Smoothie life style. Blending and drinking my greens.
It is great.
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MOTC -- that's the crazy thing about BC. You walk into the mammo checkup feeling healthy and on top of the world. Then the radiologist tells you more pictures are required, more tests are needed. Suddenly, that "feeling great" feeling dissipates.....the body still feels okay, but the mind not so much.
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Some others are so totally disoriented they don,t even know they,re on an alternative thread lol
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(((((Elmcity))))) Pay no attention. I've been a target as well. JUst laugh at it. Don't even bother reporting her posts.
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Britchick, did you read my message?
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Britchick, compassion, empathy...i,m relieved we don,t live in same neck of the woods.. we must not speak same language
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Britchick, I think most of us realise our DR's are doing what they feel is best for us. I know mine are. What is so frustrating is how little they know after so many years. I for one have and will use natural remedies to hopefully help my body fight BC, but I would never stop the conventional treatments. I am just thankful for people like you who are out there daily trying to save us.
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where to find information about alternative treatments than in an alternative forum...?
too bad we who seek knowledge but have cancer must suffer the slings (stings?) and arrows of the angry.
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apple no slings (stings) coming your way from me.
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aw Nancy and Blue, thank you! ((((
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j
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Patzee, by writing
"chemo = foolish" you pretty much called 2/3rd of the women on these boards fools.
How about
(4 cm tumor + unclean margins) - re excision = ???
"The person who lives longest wins"?
Well if chemo gave me one more extra year with my family, I say well slap it on and pass the immodium!!!
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Too many on this thread are NOT respecting Leia in her OP thereby preventing some of the silent majority from posting. This hostility is not conducive to a constructive discussion despite many attempts by well intentioned posters who are trying to help out
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Luan~
Leia, in her OP stated that chemo and radiation kill. I do not think that is respecting those that have done these treatments. Respect goes both ways...
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And that OP was reviewed by the moderators, so please !
Edited to add. FYI, i have suffered worse treatment than you have, so give me a break, will you. This harrassment is really getting old and tiring -
Patzee - I'm not saying you should have chemo - it's the dirty margins that worry me. We all care about that even if you don't realise it. You are being very foolish to not have further surgery.
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@ nancy, We would all appreciate you publish Susan,s pm since you have gone public with this
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Just wow.
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Luann
Who is the silent majority you refer to? Those with lifelong side effects? If so I am one of them and am being heard. I am still glad I had chemo even though a treatable illness will be with me all my life.
I did not want to be dying of breast cancer and say if only I had done all the treatment the doctor wanted. Because the fact remains clinical trails show chemo rdas herceptin and AIs work.
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Glad I went to bed.
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geez...leave for a few hours and look what there is....sigh
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OT: Annetek, re: your avatar - Glad to finally put a name together with a face! Sorry we were unable to meet when you were in DC. Maybe next time.
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Next time my oncologist answers my questions by: "WE DON'T KNOW", I'll get him a crystal ball
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