Do husbands and wives change after BC.

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stef58
stef58 Member Posts: 288
edited June 2014 in Life After Breast Cancer

To all, Here is my problom. My husband and I just had a big fight over what we want out of life. We are both in our 50's and I have been out of chemo for 2 years. He and I  never fight but things in the last few months have been really strained. We never eat dinner together, we eat in front of the TV. Never go places together. We have a ranch so it is always busy around here. plus he has a job that is part time but takes alot of time and thought on his part. He goes out of town every couple of months for meetings and I do not go with him . The kids and the grandkids are around alot.I want to go and see things and travel and all he wants is to stay home and work. that is what he enjoys. I feel after 2 years I want to see the world, go out on dates and not stay and work all the time. I am open for any suggestions and was just wondering if anyone else husband has changes after cancer. I have changed also.Thanks Dianne

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  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2011

    I think cancer changes all of us in many ways, some good, some bad.  

    I started to write reasons why your DH doesn't want to travel, but deleted because I don't know either of you and it's hard to guess what could be causing him to feel this way. I know you want to travel with your DH, but if he won't go, find a friend or relative and go with them.   Don't let his refusal to travel stop you from your dreams.  Maybe it would be good for you to take a trip with friends or family, get away, laugh, be silly and have fun.  Down the road DH may or may not change his mind, but don't let that stop you.

    Good luck and I hope that you take a fun filled trip soon.

    Jenn

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    I would add that many men get a lot of their gratification in life from work.  My husband worked for the phone company for 36 years and "retired".  He didn't really want to retire - he took a bye-out from them and started over again in a different industry.  When we both retired at 62 because of the economy and my health, he had a very difficult time with retirement.  We have a large house and property but work meant so much to him.

    I feel that we have both changed in more ways than I can describe with my diagnosis but the "retirement" stuff is mixed in there too.  I like the previous posters idea about you traveling without your husband.  You may have so much fun and have such good stories, he may occasionally go with you after a while.  Take good pictures.

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited July 2011

    Hi Dianne.....

    I think this is much more midlife stuff going on.  Anyway, your husband is getting the stimulation and "away time" he needs.  You are not getting this.

    The solution is simple.  Just figure it out, and carve out the time you need.  And arrange for him to provide backup if needed.  I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents never took vacations either when I was growing up.  I know the drill.  You have to make sure that your animals are cared for, but otherwise, you also need to get out of there occasionally.

    And some evenings with your husband.

    I know when I hit my 50s, I realized that if I didn't do things now, I wasn't going to do them.  My ex husband wanted to participate, except in things like loading the car etc.  I finally couldn't take it any more.  We had grown too far apart for it to work ever again.

    Don't let things get to that point.  So time for you solo, and time for both of you together.  It is that important.

    Good luck, and go do something fun. - Claire

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited July 2011

    Thanks for the suggestions. I have traveled with friends and family quite a few times, but it is not the same. I want to do things together and he is relucant. I have gone to concerts and trips to Oregon and South Dakota with out  him and I miss him. I will just have to work on him and still try and explain things. We have kids  to look out after the ranch so that is not an issue. His working all the time is. He just sees things different than me. I will keep on doing things and not let him slow me down. I agree the  mid life things has not occured to me and I am going to think on that one. Thanks Dianne

  • Anjanita
    Anjanita Member Posts: 252
    edited July 2011

    I had a smile of recognition on my face when I read your OP, Dianne.  Sounds familiar.

    Recently I heard myself say, "Why didn't someone tell me when I was a nineteen-year-old bride-to-be to be sure and check with the groom and find out what he wants to do in his retirement."

    There's a problem with that kind of hindsight, though.  And that's the fact that after forty-four years of marriage we have each changed into different people from those starry-eyed young hopefuls.  Several times over!

    Over the years I can see a pattern.  Sometimes we were two docile oxen dutifully pulling in our traces in synchronicity with each other.  And other times we were restless and frisky horses each pulling in the direction we wanted.  Perhaps needed.

    I suppose one could say that its those times of independence and personal growth that have kept the marriage challenging and exciting. 

    I'm retired and so very ready to travel and my husband won't retire until December.  He built the garage of his dreams a few years ago and has recently commented on how he's looking forward to playing in his man cave when he's free of the daily obligations.

    When I want to make a weighty decision regarding my bucket list I imagine myself in hospice and ask myself, "What will I truly regret at that time if I don't do it for myself."  So the solution for this current issue in our lives has been for us to travel together when his clock tells him it's time for a vacation and the rest of the time I just go ahead and travel alone, with a friend or with one of our children.

    When I received my diagnosis I was just in the process of finding an apartment on the beach in Mexico for a winter month or two.  Until recently I haven't felt well enough to pursue that further but it's looking like I may be ready soon to finish making my plans.  And I'm going to go ahead and do it.  He says he will come to "visit." Laughing  Works for me.

    I suspect that after a while the fiddling in the garage will become less compelling to him and he'll be ready to do some traveling together.  If not, I am not wasting precious time waiting which is something I believe that I would sorely regret.

    Did my diagnosis change us?  Maybe it's too soon to tell yet.  At first I felt very much alone.  Later it seems that we are closer than we have been in the last decade.  Who knows what the future holds?

    I hope my post gives you some encouragement to transform this current doldrums in your marriage.  Sometimes you just have to go ahead and fulfill yourself when the old f**ts aren't up to it.  Heh.  And my experience has been that when I make changes poor DH is sorta kick-started to have to make a few of his own.

    (Incidently, I envy you your grandchildren.  Had I been blessed with some I suspect I'd be staying closer to home!)

  • Anjanita
    Anjanita Member Posts: 252
    edited July 2011

    I just saw your latest post.  I know what you mean about it not being the same when husband doesn't go.  I told him jokingly the other night I was going to start looking for a "walker."  Not serious about that but it never hurts a man to remember that a woman needs to feel attached!

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited July 2011

    Love all the posts. Lots of great suggestions. Sometimes it feels like the whole travel thing and wanting stuff for myself is selfish but time is precious. I thinking about that bucket list thing, have lots on it but need to make sure the most important ones are on the top. My family seems to have forgot what I went through and they where not the most supportive children anyway. they all are about themselves sometimes. Some of the stuff I want is money related and is that being terrible. Should I want to give more of myself to the church to help others etc. I live in a small rural community and there is plenty to get involved with. This isn't on the top of the last few days he has been great, but back to work today and reality is still the same. I take a back seat to others and work. If I want things done around the house, I have to do it myself. He seems to think that we don't have the money for "home improvements". Which is not the truth. If the home improvemens get done around here,I do them. In the last ten years, I have stripped the kitchen cabinets, stripped all the paper over the walls, dry walled, etc and I am tired of it. I want him to help. Do not mind do this stuff, but I am getting to old. Sorry to complain about this stuff because there others more in need of our prayers and thoughts in this world. i do try and do this on a daily basis. just needed to vent. Dianne

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited July 2011

    Thought I would post again. After a week of much thoght I have decided that life has changes alot. I want things to be normal again and that is never going to happen.My husband I seem to want things to be different and it is not going to happen anytime soon. All he seems to think about is getting the work done and I am sick of this idea. I do my part and want some time together and how do I achieve that with him?????

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    I know I've changed.  I just don't have the energy to attend to his needs... and he doesn't complain.  I don't anticipate that he wants something passed to him at the dinner table, or want to engage in discussion.  I'm tired.  He is attentive but misses the old me.. particularly the work I was able to do.  I barely get the housework done.. but hay, you could always seek professional marriage counselor help.

    i am fortunate that my husband puts are marriage first but I sure can tell he is challenged by his grumpiness.  I too, want things for myself in my final years... I want to take my kids on trips.  I want to use the money I got from my parents.. he has pretty much used the money for our needs.. but once again.. hay.

    maybe it's time for a heart to heart discussion (but for me, we never had them.... we just got married and started working)

    best of luck to you. 

  • Foxlairfrm
    Foxlairfrm Member Posts: 214
    edited July 2011

    I was accessing this last night, then saw this topic this morning. My DH is a wonderful man who has supported me through this ordeal when it first started 14 yrs ago. We had quite the reprive for about 13 yrs, then the recurrence. Instead of being distant he is STUCK to me. Yesterday I was in the potty and he's talking to me from the outside of the door! He has never been clingy, always supported me when I would take trips with a girlfriend or the kids, whatever. Now it's different. I went to Vegas with a friend for 4 days about 2 months ago. When I told him I wanted to go, his face was so sad. What am I going to do without you for 4 days. Wow, what happened to him? I take care of all the financials so he just goes with the flow on money matters. If I said let's go to Mexico tomorrow he would have his bag packed. We can't afford to travel right now. I have a rehearsal dinner for 45 in October and a daughter having a baby next month. We have been doing some renovations to the house- no questions asked- whatever I want, purple walls- ok. That is too strange! I need a little space but I feel I need to support him. This seems to be the way he is dealing with this. Anyone else have this going on?

    Deborah

    Foxy

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited July 2011

    my husband kisses me on the lips with reverence while I am sleeping.. a lot. and he is clingy.. I really am doing fine at the moment..  I definitely need my space, but I keep that need to myself for the most part.. just enjoying my alone moments when I have them.

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited July 2011
    Apparently I have changed so much that my husband says he is worn out.  He has left me twice in the past 7 months for extended periods of time and gone to stay with our children in another state.   He had his own ordeal as well...an emergency triple bypass 4 months after I finished rads. Caring for him as well as myself during that time wore me down so much that I realized I had to start changing some things in my life just to survive.  I don't know what else to say except that I have changed.  In addition, I am sad, mad, confused, and not at all certain that I want my 38 year marriage to continue CryUndecided
  • Foxlairfrm
    Foxlairfrm Member Posts: 214
    edited July 2011

    Wenweb, I'm very sorry to hear that. You have been married a long time! I hope you all can work it out. This stupid disease changes everyone. It does so much damage to everything it touches!

    Foxy

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited July 2011

    Foxy Thank-you for your kind words.  I like your "living every minute to it's fullest"  I am sure that you think of it often to inspire you.  I have a quote too, and it came from these boards.  It has been an inspiration for me, if only to remind me that one does not have to be stuck where they don't want to be stuck.  The quote is "if you always do what you've always done, then you will always get what you've always gotten".  

    Wendy 

  • Foxlairfrm
    Foxlairfrm Member Posts: 214
    edited July 2011

    That is so true Wendy! I do live for every minute. I usually get up around 5 or so... Can't afford to miss a day. Making the most of them. Great test results today. A little breather. Now that we are empty nesters, we had a small celebration.

    Foxy

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited July 2011

    Hello Everyone, I have been reading the new posts on the website. Have not posted because of an accident to my 8 yr old Grandson. He had his face smashed and had to have faical surgrey. During this time I have had alot of time to reflect on what is important in life.  My husband and I have not been getting along before this happened. We state down and talked for about 3 hours and came to the conclusion that we have differnet outlooks but alot of our goals and dreams are the same. As for traveling I am going to just go and he wants to stay home. Great but we did book at trip together for September. We might not have a"big trip" every year but we live in a park and close to many things to see and we can do the little trips alot. We have the same goals but see them differently and how to achieve them. So we are working on this and are more aware of the others feelings. My marriage has not been this good in years. But we all need to live for the day. So I am going to live and enjoy my life the way I want and he is going to live his and we will work the rest out together. Thanks for all the ideas. Dianne

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