BREAK the SILENCE: What are Black women NOT saying?

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  • browniefranks
    browniefranks Member Posts: 87
    edited May 2011

    Happy mother's day to all the mothers among us.

    Can't believe how much perspective I've developed in the 2 months since diagnosis! Still not interested in sex though! Between chemo and the kids etc, my poor husband is now just a supportive room mate and since he has a persisent bad cold he has been banished to the basement since chemo leaves me with zero WBC which really scares my oncologist.  The struggle/journey continues!

  • OtraVez
    OtraVez Member Posts: 82
    edited May 2011

     I've been back on these boards regularly for the last few days - due to a recurrence, unfortunately.

    Also unfortunate is this thread, which is the second post I've found in two days that suggests that black women are not "out there" enough regarding breast cancer, not talking enough to people who may (or may not) be listening or looking for us, not being straight forward with specific diagnostic, treatment, or experiential information that might be helpful to others, not going out of our way to make our individual circumstances part of a more public fight.

    I was not too nice to the person on another thread (comment along the lines of, if there are so many African-Americans affected by this disease, then where are they?), but I'm almost as frustrated in reading us beating up on ourselves.

    Even when controlling for the Black/woman/DC thing, the statistics suggest that I "shouldn't" be back in the "patient" category, because the odds are so low . . . except that "low risk" doesn't mean "no risk."

    I'm not sure that Black women are NOT saying anything more or anything less than what any other women are saying, with or without a cancer diagnosis. We are a minority. Since ours is a smaller voice (in the greater cacophony of things), it just may be that it's simply a lot harder to be heard.

    Maybe we should put the effort into hearing more effectively rather than assuming that people are not speaking at all.

    But for me, just now, I'm not sure it's fair to expect any of us to do more than just get ourselves through this crap.

  • browniefranks
    browniefranks Member Posts: 87
    edited May 2011

    OtraVez sorry about the recurrence. I agree with you! Its hard enough getting ourselves through this crap! Take care of yourself and hoping you get through this setback! 

  • TooManyCocktails
    TooManyCocktails Member Posts: 182
    edited May 2011

    I'm think that a lot of Black women were taught by their churches to "not claim it".  This goes for all illnesses  If you don't "claim it", it's supposed to go away.  Churches need to stop teaching this to Black women.  It's just sticking your head in the sand.

  • browniefranks
    browniefranks Member Posts: 87
    edited May 2011

    I agree with you toomanycocktails, denial is an annoying part of many interpretations of religion. I find myself bitting my tongue when speaking with religious relatives and friends because their comments often sound like my proactive nature and diligence is a bad thing. Maybe my miracle was early diagnosis instead of denial and late diagnosis. Then I remember that they "mean well" and I tell them that I am too tired to talk right now, since I do not have the energy to waste trying to change their minds. Too busy with too much else right now. 

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited May 2011

    I agree. Something needs to change.

  • Indomitable1
    Indomitable1 Member Posts: 253
    edited May 2011

    Wow!

    TooMany, browniefranks, & Thatgirl, You all make a girl REALLY happy to have been led to the church that I attend. We have a "healthy Christian" seminar each month in  place of regular Bible Study  with a different topic each month. We have covered everything from HIV to allergies and OF COURSE BC!  It all comes from love and knowing that life happens-but God has given us responsibility to take care of our temples.

    I will continue to pray and attempt to be proactive for our community. We each should do what we feel comfortable with regarding making BC history and changing the statistics.

     And brownie, when it comes to getting thru this-focus on what you need to focus on-taking care of yourself and doing what you need to do.....I just told my friends and relatives (especially those who said I was reading too much) "I believe God has this. You just keep praying." 

  • Lcharmie
    Lcharmie Member Posts: 430
    edited May 2011

    Indomitable1--I am with you all the way!!! God got this---just keep praying!!!

    Thank You, Please.

    Linda C.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Indomitable and ILinda, I also agree with you but I understand where toomanycocktails is coming from.  I actually would flee from a church that teaches us not to claim it and leaves it at that.  Sorry but too many of our churches don't get it.  I know prayer works and God is in total control.  Not claiming it is the same as putting our head into the sand and hoping it goes away.  I love my church because when I told them they gathered around me and prayed and then continued to pray and offer support while I went through treatment.  We work together with the Lord and then when we have done all we can, when we think we don't have another ounce left, then He says 'relax my child' and He continues the fight on our behalf. 

    The Lord takes care of every bird on this earth but he doesn't throw the food into the nest.

    Did I go off into a tangent here - appears so; I'm wondering myself what point I'm making so hope you all get my drift.  We serve an AWESOME God.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Oh, now I get it.  This was about getting the word out to our sisters; not sweeping the incidences of BC in the black community, under the carpet.  I'm tending to agree that we don't really not talk about it but we are so "private" and have so much on our plates that perhaps we just take it into stride and make it another part ofthe stuff we have to deal with daily?

    Sisters Network is doing a good job and continues to grow all the time so hopefully tht avenue will help to spread the importance of early detection and treatment.

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited June 2011
  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited July 2011

    Hello---------thought I'd "pop in" and suggest that you take a look at the "Just Diagnosed - Get Prepared" thread. It has information on practical things to help keep you organized. It's in the Just diagnosed forum. From low tech to high tech. Rockym Just added a high tech-Livescribe suggestion. After you have read it ,please, add any suggestions you have found, that we're helpful to you, that aren't listed already. Thanks, good luck on your journey through the maze. Sas

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Thanks.  I'll take a look.

  • imara56
    imara56 Member Posts: 16
    edited July 2011

    Hello everyone, I wanted to share my experience after my diagnosis last week...Of course I would call my mother for comfort while I cried and prepared for battle...what does she say...why are you crying...I don't want to talk to you if you are going to cry...call me when you pull yourself together...you should be on your knees praying to God for strength instead of calling me crying...needless to say I will only call her when absolutely necessary from this point on...later that night she called me and said not to tell anyone or my father (they are divorced)...I am so blessed to have a fiancee' and girlfriends that are my REAL family that will cry and pray with me....I am not ashamed of my breast cancer and if I can share what little information I have to help anyone I will do so....I'm working on my second and third opinion before treatment...thank you for your support board and your prayers...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Hi imara, so sorry to have you join this sisterhood but you are in a good place.  Your mom is probably just scared and when people are scared they tend to say stuff that just doesn't make sense.  That you are not ashamed and know you can count on your fiancee' and friends says that you know God is your strength, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't cry.  God gave us tears, didn't He?  She's probably also from the old school when BC was something to hide away but nowadays there is so much out there that can be done and we need to be shouting from the rooftops so everyone will get their regular checkups and we may get this beast under better control.  Actually the topic of this thread says it better than I can that we must break the silence. 

    So go ahead, tell everyone - it may make your dad go for a prostrate screening, something our men also don't do soon enough.  Being quiet kills.

    Will keep you in prayer while you go through.  Please let us know who you make out.

    HUGS.

  • imara56
    imara56 Member Posts: 16
    edited July 2011

    Thank you so much for your response.  I have to agree that my mom is from an era that women did not show emotion.  She has always been like that, but I had hoped she would bend a little to comfort me.  I know that everyone on this board has a story to tell and I've been reading as much as I can, but has anyone dealt with Kaiser for their treatment and if so were you satisifed?  I just had an appointment with an oncologist that tried to rush me into treatment even before he had all the test results.  I did not like him and will not be going to him again.  Has anyone else experienced being told to begin treatment without all the results evaluated?  I will have to pay out of my pocket for my second and third opinions before fighting with Kaiser for the correct treatment plan.  Thank you for your prayers and know that I am praying for all of us to be healed and live life to the fullest.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Hi, I can't answer your question about Kaiser but many on these boards have different experiences,some good, some bad, some indifferent.  This board is not well travelled so please also go to the 'Forum Index' tab and scroll down to the 'Just Diagnosed' thread.  You can browse those boards and post your question there.  Someone will most likely have information for you.  I'm glad you found these boards as you can get tons of information from women who have been through it and sometimes that's the best place when you are just starting.  However, always remember that we are ll different andwhat works for one will not necessarily work for another.  You may also see many negative posts and you also have to understand that people who have only had positive experiences may never come and post so the negatives may seem to outweigh the positive.

    I'm surprised that you have to pay out of pocket for a second opinion.  Thought that was pretty standard and should be covered as long as you stay in-network.  Someone may also have more information on the other boards. 

    HUGS

  • visugar2003
    visugar2003 Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    Hi ladies was diagnosed in April had my surgery in may... I am not a triple negative girl I am actually triple positive. Right now I am going through chemo. I am glad I found this topic. U ladies post wonderful words of encouragment

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Hi visugar2003, welcome, although not the very best of ways to meet but you are with a great mix of survivors.  I also am not triple neg but somehow that other thread, AA who are triple neg, somehow seemed to draw me and I just stayed around.  This thread does not say triple neg so it's safe.  Innocent

    just kidding!   So, stay around on all the boards, posting and learning and reaching out when you just need a shoulder as there are many cyberhugs floating around and they do help to de-stress.

    HUGS and Blessings.

  • visugar2003
    visugar2003 Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2011

    Thanks Patoo!! I am glad I found this site.

    Hugs and Blessing your way also!

  • Deborahann
    Deborahann Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2012

    Hello to all!

    I've been away for awhile: traveling,working and simply living into my eight year of survivorship!

    A very profound topic!  In my opinion, for what it's worth, black women are either too ashamed or fearful.  Some, not all, may believe they 'allowed' this dreaded disease to 'happen' to them.  They may feel that they 'should' have had more 'control' over their lives and somehow 'prevented' this disease from occuring.

    *Think about what I'm saying before firing off negative comments.  I'm not saying that black women are shameful; I'm saying some black women may feel shame associated with the disease and don't want to talk about it.  They may feel their lives are difficult enough and don't want to hinder their immediate families with more bad news.  Just a thought

  • msphil
    msphil Member Posts: 1,536
    edited March 2012

    dear sable43, I was diagnosed in 1993 and it was not spoken about much then,I am AfroAmerican and I have the females in my family and friends, neighbors get mammo, and I too do some encouraging to do self exams and get mammo in my church, but all u can do is encourage and pray others will listen and use me as an example since I am now 18 yrs cancer Free(Praise the LORD), it was my Faith in GOD and my family and friends that supported me, and especially blessed to have my husband who was thenmy fiancee, we were planninf our wedding when I found the lump,my female doctor encouraged me to get 2nd opinion and I did, and she being caucasion told me of the higher incidence of breast cancer in Black women. Her and my radiation oncologist were very supportive also. And my favorite book that I went to and still go to everyday is the WORD(Bible) even though I wrote a book about my experience while makinf wedding plans,The Healings Of Breast Cancer, A Physical and Spiritual Healing Of My Body and Soul, with donations from sales going to breast cancer research, and I do volunteer work each year collecting donation, crocet hats and write leaflets also. So I use myself and the long Survival to INSPIRE others to HOPE> Msphil

  • Deborahann
    Deborahann Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2012

    Wonderful news! Your story is an inspiration...

  • Rainess13171
    Rainess13171 Member Posts: 14
    edited May 2012

    Hello ladies.  I have read most of your stories, and will pray that you all find the strength to battle this horrible disease.  I am also a warrior, stage 3 bc.  I just finished radiation in March, mastectomy prior to that, and chemo first.  I am not African American, but I am heavily involved with an organization called the Mama Luke Foundation.  Mama Luke's mission is to spread awareness and raise funds for research in the African American community.  A few of you old schoolers may remember some hip hop greats such as UTFO and Full Force.  Well Kangol Kid from UTFO is the voice of Mama Luke, and Paul and Lou Anthony of Full Force are also part of the team.  They are the nicest guys and so dedicated to this cause.  I just wanted to let you know that your voices are being heard.  They are people who care about you and your struggles.  If you want to know more information check out Mama Luke on facebook or on You Tube.  Spreading awareness and encouraging women to check themselves is key for all women.  Much love to you and continued peace as you fight, fight, fight.

  • Stacie
    Stacie Member Posts: 607
    edited June 2012

    When I was diagnosed and staged, I did a lot of research on prognosis/survival. I learned I had an 81% 5 year survival rate from one report. Then I read this super long govt report with lots of tables and graphs. There was one by race and it showed an 86% survival for white women (I'm a fair redhead). I was so happy over that 5%. Then I looked further and saw a line on the graph for black women was lower than other reports and when separated out. I am post surgery and 2/3 through chemo, RADS to go. That chart was one of the most upsetting moments of my experience because I tried to imagine what it might be like for an African American woman to find that same chart. As time has passed I have looked forward to paying forward after my treatment. I am a career public speaker and wish to carry information to African American women about self exams and mammos. I found my own cancer...I am not sure how well received I'd be, but I can usually capture peoples attention well. Any grass roots suggestions welcome. If one woman responded and caught her bc early it would be enough.

  • rogam
    rogam Member Posts: 197
    edited June 2012

    Hello Ladies ILinda and Patoo to name a few :). Stay strong ladies our faith in God and good mental health is the key. 

  • Jwb44
    Jwb44 Member Posts: 9
    edited August 2018

    i am a single breast cancer survivor women that wants to date again but with the mastectomy of one breast i still feel afraid of what a man might say, plus my hair has been everything s!is coming back and it's been over a year since my last chemo treatment.

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