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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Dustylady,

    So glad I found you! I too had radiation on one side, just finished a couple of months ago. I have TE's in now.

    Did you have any type of recon or TE's when you started with Dr. K? How was your experience with the Brava? What type of follow-up do you have after MFG, or has he discussed that with you? How can I find your pics on the fatgrafts forum?

    Don't mean to bombard you with questions, just so glad to have found you! Thank you so much!

  • dustylady
    dustylady Member Posts: 37
    edited June 2011

    pinkbutterfly:

    My photos are under psf surgeries on the fatgraftpatients.com website.  Alexandra can help you join up, if you aren't a member yet. 

    I actually saw Dr. K before my BMX and he did have a discussion with my surgeon (same one who did my lumpectomy on L breast about 18 years ago).  My surgeon left the skin just a little loose -- had to have the nipples removed due to BRCA2+....otherwise...would have left at least one of them on. 

    I started BRAVA wear about 6 weeks after my BMX....no prior TEs and no prior recon before this time.   

    Of course I was excited that there seemed to be a recon option that worked for me...but when I got those darn BRAVAS...I thought...how huge...and I guess I kind of resisted for about a week...but gotta tell you, Dr. K is SO encouraging and kind of made it less formidable by saying just to try them for a couple of hours for a few days....That did the trick....I was really worried about lots of things...could I breath ok? (had problems previously with high cortisol levels and didn't want the breathing issues with that to come back)...would they cause lymphedema? (had L lymph nodes taken out with lumpectomy with lst bout of CA in 1993); would I get blisters?, and especially....could I SLEEP with those things on??...as I was always a side or tummy sleeper.

    Well...NONE of these things were a problem!!

    Expansion with BRAVA seemed a little slow at first...especially with the L (previous radiation) side.  After the lst fat graft settled in, though, both breasts seemed to expand much easier for the 2nd round.  I was really surprised when Dr. K said after my 2nd round, that my R breast was probably done...but he ended up being right on target!  Still working on the L. 

    Glad to answer any other questions you might have.  I found it was particularly hard when I was trying to figure out what kind of recon (if any) I was going to try.  For me that part was almost more difficult than the BMX (didn't have any decisions to make there)!

    Follow up after MFG --  not sure exactly what you mean....follow up with Dr. K....after surgery, I returned home...live flying distance away.  Every two weeks, he asks for photos to see progress. 

    I did make another trip down  there to have a cyst aspirated, but other than that..all was done by e-mail contact and photos.  While he is EXTREMELY busy, I have found him to be VERY accessible. 

    As far as follow up from a health standpoint....I just had a breast MRI....all was normal.  I do have a couple of cysts (benign oil cysts), but that was it. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Thanks, dustylady.

    Was it pretty easy for the radiologist to tell they were oil cysts?

  • dustylady
    dustylady Member Posts: 37
    edited June 2011

    Yes, the radiologist had no problem at all.  In fact, she gave me a CD to take to Dr. K, and I looked at it...I don't know anything about radiology and I could see them clearly,too.  I did explain to them in advance the type of recon and the tech took the time to check it out, so I'm sure that helped, too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Thanks, dustylady. Good to know.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Dustylady,

    Just saw your pics on the fatgrafts site. Very impressive! I also read through some of your previous posts, and found that you said 97% of sensation has returned on the right. That is phenomenal. It's great that dr K and your BS were able to work together to give you this awesome result. You and I are about the same build according to your measurements on the FG site. Amazing that he was able to get you to a C in only 2 sessions (my PS told me 6-7 surgeries would be required. What a far cry. Thanks for including pics shortly after the procedure - it's nice to know what to expect. How was the pain? It's hard to tell from the angle of the pics, but are you about the same size on the right as you were pre-MX?

  • dustylady
    dustylady Member Posts: 37
    edited June 2011

    pinkbutterfly:

    Glad you were impressed with the photos.  I was at first reluctant to post them, as my L is still not complete....but someone convinced me this would be a good time...and I am glad I did.

    Well, pre BMX, my breasts were not as large in circumference.  The bras I have from B-4 the BMX were a 32B and when I try to put those bras on, the R just is too big around and the projection too big as well.  I now am wearing a 34C and it fits comfortably...there is just a small space at the tip (since the nipple would normally take up this space).  So, this new R breast is more substantial than my original. 

    Pain:  The breast didn't hurt at all.  After the first two procedures, I wore the Brava the day after surgery for a few weeks.  After the third surgery, Dr. K asked me not to wear the Brava.  The first fat was taken from (I guess the saddle-bags...the two areas on the upper back of butt).  This hurt the most, but very tolerable with the percocet. This just lasted 3-4 days.  By the time I flew home (surgery on a Sat. - flew home on a Tues or Wed.) I was fine for travel..just very stiff.  The send time, he took fat from the thighs...this wasn't too painful...again...right after the surgery (the first 2-3 days...it feels like pain and I took my pain meds), but after 4 or 5 days, I didn't need pain meds, but the thighs were still feeling stiff (after sitting and then getting back up)...once I started walking around, they were fine.  The third surgery (L) he took fat from the abdomen...this was by far the easiest and least painful. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    pink- I think the biggest difference between the way Dr. Khouri does the fat grafting and the more "traditional way" is that by doing the external expansion and then filling the fat in that space more of the fat is retained afterwards.  With the other technique about 50% is reabsorbed into the body so that is why your PS is probably saying it would take so many procedures.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Kate 33-

    Yes, that is what I gathered, though I hope it's more the injection technique, because I am still hoping he can use my TE's instead of Brava...

    Dustylady,

    I am so glad to hear that pain was tolerable; and I'm really glad you posted the pics, because you are helping so many women, including me!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    I'm technology challenged so was having problems posting my photos on the fat graft site.  Alexandra took pity on me and is going to put them on there for me!  I just sent them to her so whenever she can fit me into her busy schedule they'll be there!

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2011

    Kate33-

    Your last set of photo's were great. You look terrific.

    Thanks so much for your help.

    Eileen

  • IrishLuck
    IrishLuck Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2011

    Had my consult with Dr. K on Tues.  Plan is for BMX with immediate reconstruction using fat grafting to the Pectoralis muscle.  Find the whole process so interesting.  Dr. K says that since the muscle is well vascularized most of the fat will survive.  No BRAVA use for at least 4 weeks post BMX so that the skin can adhere to the chest wall.  Then BRAVA use to pull that skin away and create the Matrx for the subsquent fat grafting. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    IrishLuck,

    Glad to hear your visit went well. Do you have a surgery date?

    Kate,

    Was thinking about you today. Hope that everything has healed, and you are feeling back to normal. ((hugs)).

  • IrishLuck
    IrishLuck Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2011

    Hi Pinkbutterfly,  I have a tentative surgery date of July 22nd.  How about you?  It looks like you have decided to move forward with fat grafting?  Who will be your surgeon?  Have been thinking of you and hoping that things would come together to make your decision easier. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Hi Irishluck,

    I have an appt with Dr K on the 19th. Still undecided about the fat grafting, waiting to see how my visit with him goes. Don't think I need another surgeon, as I had MX in Jan with TE's.

    Did he talk much with you about the whole stem cell and cancer issue?

  • IrishLuck
    IrishLuck Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2011

    Hi Pinkbutterfly,  glad to hear you will have a consult with Dr. K on the 19th. I think you will have a good visit.  Dr. K was great about answering all of my questions and not making me feel rushed. I did not really talk to Dr. K about the stem cell and cancer issue since I have DCIS and will have a mastectomy which removes the ductal tissue.  Well, at least almost all of it.  I am still trying to decide if I will keep my nipple on my DCIS breast.  Have gotten conflicting recommnedations from the three surgeons I have spoken to about it.  Two said the statistics are pretty much the same for those keeping and not keeping the nipple.  The third surgeon (my new surgeon) said it was risky and wants to review my scans before agreeing to it.  So, we shall see.  Are you still consideirng a TUG?

  • bher
    bher Member Posts: 86
    edited June 2011

    I would like to thank everyone on this thread who has shared their experience and story.  If it wasn't for you, I don't know what path I would be taking right now. It has been a rough year for me which I know you can all relate to.

    I am scheduled for surgery in early July with Dr K for removal of implants and alloderm and 1st stage fatgrafting. Looks like I may need four surgeries to make it right.  I had a single nipple sparing mx with TE last September with radiation following revisional surgery in Oct to remove the nipple due to cancer in the margin.  My exchange surgery was in April of 2011 and I have been miserable and depressed ever since.   Very disappointing and painful.  My implant is as tight if not tighter than the TE was and I am not even close to being symmetrical. I can't wait to get these implants out.

    IrishLuck-I wish I had done what you are doing by having the fatgrafting at the same time as the mx. Not having implants at all is the way to go.  I hope you are able to have the nipple sparing mx.  That would make the process much easier.  It did not work for me but my dcis was very widespread. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    IrishLuck,

    I have decided that flap surgery, of any kind, is not for me. I do not wish to be disfigured further than what I am already dealing with. So, it's between the fat grafting and implants, or both.

  • BJB1
    BJB1 Member Posts: 29
    edited June 2011

    After a lumpectomy for DCIS this past February, I opted for a uni-mastectomy rather than chance a second or perhaps third lumpectomy.  Had I known about Dr. Khouri, I might have opted for the lumpectomies.

    I had DIEP recon immediately following the UMX. Now, I find my breasts are not symmetrical, the foob starting much higher.  The foob, I call her Yucky, is also just a mound without the conical shape of Lucky, my good breast.  After 4 months Yucky at least has a natural sag, but there is a divot on the underside of the 2 1/4" diameter ring that was my aerola..  (At age 63 I am a 38B.)  I have a scar crossing my tummy where the fat was harvested.  (Ironically, my PS had informed me that he attended one an informative meeting in Miami, but at that time I did not realize the implications.)

    To think that could have been done differently makes me very angry.  My error was in not looking at the reconstruction forum early enough.

    Today there is a large area deep within the breast that feels like a rock, but I am lucky that the rest of the breast is soft to the touch.

    After reading the last 39  pages, it sounds as if I might be a candidate for further work, but my PS is only willing to add a nipple.

    Without this forum, I would have settled for that.  I won't now.  Thank you all so much for giving my a more femine, a more objective truth.

    Can the fat from the two hip rolls (on either side of the tummy scar) be the area of harvesting?

    Will the harvested fat added to the breast give me some sense of touch?  Now my breast is as numb as wood.

    BJB

  • IrishLuck
    IrishLuck Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2011

    bher, glad to hear that you will have those painful implants out and have fat grafting done instead.  Sorry you had to go through all of that but I am sure Dr. K will give you a great cosmetic result that is also as close to having a normal breast as is possible.  I've been so impressed with the photos of ladies who have completed the fat grafting.  Even better is that we will have sensation!

    Pinkbutterfly, I can't help but agree with you about the FLAPS.  Dr. K says with this new technique, FLAPS are now a dinosaur in the field of reconstruction.   I am so happy to have found out about fat grafting before I scheduled my TUG FLAP surgery.  

    BJB, it is my understanding that Dr. K will let you choose where the fat will be harvested from as long as there are no contraindications to taking fat from that area and there is enough there to work with.  I think you may also have a chance at regaining some sensation because of stem cells that are transferred.  

    BJB, I also have DCIS.  I opted for the lumpectomy and then two lumpectomies later still have the DCIS.  So, now I need the mastectomy anyway.  Honestly I wish I had started out with a mastectomy using the around the nipple approach and then Dr. K for fat grafting.  Then I would not have this long, thick, scar on my left breast and I could have started my reconstruction at the same time.  Most of us just have to make our best guess with the information that is given to us or that we find on our own. Thank goodness for this forum!  I'm hoping that this fat grafting technique becomes more well known and available to more women throughout the world.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    I am also so grateful for this forum-it has been quite a journey through all the threads, and I have learned so much that my PS never told me, as well as the support from those who have BTDT. As well, the picture forum has been really helpful. Thank you to all who help make this journey easier.

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2011

    Irishluck and pinkbutterly:

    All I can say is ditto:

    This forum has done so much for me.

    I waited 14 years for this type of inspiration.  At least it is finally here.

    Eileen

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2011

    bher - I know how you feel.  Hang in there, it will be well worth it in the end.  While I wish (just like you) that I had found Dr. K sooner, I'm just so happy that I did and he was able to fix everything for me.  It's a longer road, but it will be alright.  I see you are from Florida as well, so hopefully travel won't be too bad.

    IrishLuck - I'm so thrilled that you will be able to do this right from the start!  I'm sorry that after all the other procedures, you are now faced with the mastectomy after all.  You are in wonderful hands though and being able to go from mastectomy to fat grafting all at once, is great!  I've never once regretted my decision for a DMX, just wish I had done more research on the reconstruction side of things.  We all learn that lesson too late.....

    BJB - Yes, Dr. Khouri will work with you and take your input as to what areas you would like him to take fat from.  I've regained a lot of feeling - something I really didn't expect!

  • bher
    bher Member Posts: 86
    edited June 2011

    BJB- I am a uni-mx also and I can sure relate to having a "Yucky" foob and a "Lucky" breast.  It has been a challenge to get dress everyday and look normal in clothes.  After my exchange surgery that issue did not improve which has been a source of depression for me along with the pain and the tightness of the implants. I will be happier just to get the implants out and have some relief.  I am hopeful that through fat grafting and Dr. K's skill that I will eventually have a foob that will be very acceptable.

    Lee- I actually knew about Dr. K through these boards while I was in my TE phase and wish I had consulted with him earlier but I trusted my ps and thought I would get a decent result.  My ps told me he would be doing fatgrafting at the same time as the exchange (to make it softer) but ended up not doing it, not sure why.  My implant (rad side) is hard as a rock. I live about 4 hours away from Miami and will be driving.  Do you think I will feel ok the day after surgery to travel home? Then I would come back to Miami for my postop the following week.

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2011

    bher - It was a 4 hour trip for me as well!  I went home the same day.  I would not recommend this to anyone, but we have an extended cab truck and I had a super comfy bed made up for me in the back seat.  Staying overnight is best.  You will be sore and I'd certainly recommend taking hte prescribed pain meds, but you should be able to come home the next day.  His post-op visits are usually on Tuesdays following the Friday or Saturday surgery.  Are you on fatgraftpatients.com?  There are so many helpful tips and hints as well as patient stories and photos. 

  • bher
    bher Member Posts: 86
    edited June 2011

    Thanks Lee - I will definitely take the pain meds.  This will be my fourth surgery and I do not do well with pain.  Yes, I have been on fatgraftpatients.com but I am still trying to navigate that website. 

  • 1WonderWoman
    1WonderWoman Member Posts: 2,065
    edited June 2011

    Mouse: thank you so much for starting this thread!!!!!!!!  I was so excited to find this.  My PS just spoke with me about this today and I am wicked excited.  This is so cool and although it is not FDA approved/regulated etc... do you know how many women we are going to help who have yet to join us in this fight by doing Brava?  I am really happy about this.


    LeeinFL:I was particularly interested in your situation.  If I understand it correctly you did Brava, had mfg and an implant?  Even if you did not do Brava, do you have an implant and fat?  I said to my PS today, when talking about Brava, if the final outcome is droopy etc.. could I then have some implants put in to "spruce" them up a bit!!!  She told me not a problem and that I could do Brava, mfg(this is the liposuction deal, right?) and then an implant if i wanted to be more satisfied with the result.  I am very, very happy!   

    anyone with Brava experience, please post.  This is such a cool idea!  

  • Tinkerbell99
    Tinkerbell99 Member Posts: 243
    edited June 2011

    Has anyone on here ever had this done by any other dr then DR K in Fla ? Also, if u have have u had it done w/ or w/out the Brava & w/ or w/out implants ? Thx!!!

  • tedwilliams
    tedwilliams Member Posts: 178
    edited June 2011

    I am having mine in the New Orleans area. It is being done without implants but with the Brava.  I must admit I do not wear it like others. When I have worn it there are areas that plump up and keep that plumpness, the problem is the areas where the radiated skin is not stretching and remains on the chest wall---they don't plump up.  I will travel back to NO in Aug. for the second fat grafting.

    I have no pictures to post...my PS has taken them throughout this process, but it just did not cross my radar to do so.  

    Jana 

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2011

    lizzymack1 - Dr. K did a total revision on me.  I had 550 cc implants after being expanded to 600 cc with TEs.  I had a sizeable indentation on the inside, lower part of my right breast.  My cleavage was non-existant - just a boney, concaved space and my right implant rolled to the side.  I was very unhappy and initially the plan was to have Dr. K do MFG into the dented area.  Being the perfectionist that he is, he suggested that he totally redo everything in order to get me the best possible results.  He exchanged my 550 cc implants for 300 cc impants and at the same time injected another 300 cc of my own fat all around each breasts.  Now if you do the math, you would think I would have bigger breasts than before, but fact is since he injects all the way around your breasts, the result is a natural sloping breast.  So my breasts didn't end up bigger, but more natural/normal.  I used ONE Brava dome for 4 days (24/7) to pull out that indentation.  Worked like a charm!  Pulled the skin away from the chest wall to give him the space he needed to inject the fat.  Remember also that the big difference is that the fat is injected droplet at a time.  Two keys things:  space for the fat to survive (via previous implants, TEs or ideally the Brava domes) and injecting the fat in drops not the usual "glob". 

    Yes - this is a VERY cool idea and I couldn't be happier about my breasts (well, yeah - if I had found Dr. K BEFORE the implants...but, I'm grateful either way!)

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