July 2011 rads
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Lena I am with you on tattoos. I don't like them at all. I my radiologist does not do the tattoos. I am fortunate to live less than 15 miles from where I have to drive. I wish I was not having to go through all this but since I do I want to get it over with. Like Merilee says, "hugs to you and wishing you wellness".
I like the "healing light" too.
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I had my tattoos and I have to report: did not hurt at all. I am a total wimp about needles, even a blood draw butterfly needle (the smallest kind) hurts me for a while after the needle is removed! But the tattoos were very tiny and surprisingly, not at ALL painful. And the marks are TINY. Don't worry!
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I would not have minded the little tattoos for the radiation. I was marked with a marker and then waterproof tabs were placed over the marks and told the tabs would not come off.
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If you've already gone in and been marked, did the onc recommend a specific deodorant to use when you start? Or are we not supposed to use any at all?
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I forgot to ask.
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I finished chemo (x6) June 2, and will have my simulation tomorrow. Busy day. Herceptin, mammogram and simulation. At the treatment center where I am going, I will have IMRT and they will be making an Alpha Cradle, a mold of my body so that I will be in exactly the same spot, same position for every treatment. I have been told it will take about an hour. I have the choice or tattoos or marker, and the Onc said it is a personal decision and does not make a bit of difference in treatment. I also have the option to sign up for a clinical trial to get tomography instead of IMRT, which she says is very similar but just a tiny bit more precise. The few references on these boards say that tomography has a fewer skin SEs. Does anyone know anything about that? She says it takes 6 to 10 days to design the plan. I will have 28 tx and 5 boost. Does anyone have anything to compare to this" It sounds a lot different than most of the posts.
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pollyagain: I am supposed to have 28 treatments but no mention of boosts. I will have to ask about that one.
colodisneylover: I was told no deodorant on the treated side. I had axillary dissection and don't sweat on that side anymore! I was also told no perfumes or lotions (except what they give you themselves).
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I found Fruit of the Earth 100% Aloe Vera Gel and Naturally Fresh Deoderant Crystal at my local Wal-Mart today. There is a pink ribbon on the cap of the deoderant. Even though I was told that I would be given any cream I needed for redness by my radiologist I wanted to have the aloe gel to used as a precaution. I do plan on using it even if I am not pink or red.
I also like the idea about using the cornstarch.
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I will actually be FINISHING rads on July 1, but with 5 left to go everything is still fresh in my mind so I thought I'd toss a few things out to those of you just starting...
1) I've been nowhere NEAR as tired as I was on chemo. This is truly a walk in the park by comparison - at least for me.
2) I have very pale skin and got through all 25 whole breast rads without a problem. I've also had 3 boosts so far (of 8). Just turned a very light shade of pink right toward the end. No burns, no itching, no pain.
3) I'm very claustrophobic and the two machines I've been on were not a problem for me at all.
4) My rad onc at first said I'd have several tattoos, but when I voiced my opposition to that he immediately said he didn't like it, either, and that I should tell the techs when they did my mapping he said it was OK not to do it. They drew Xs on me with marker and covered them with clear sticky circles. I can shower with them with no problem. They just replace them when they start to de-stick. SPEAK UP if you don't want the permanent reminder of tattoos; there IS a work-around and it's an easy one.
5) I live in south Florida and this time of year we have electrical storms almost daily. The machines are very sensitive to them and can go down. Mine went down for 2 days after I'd had only 2 treatments. The staff came in on a Saturday so everyone could make up one of those days. I did a double treatment one day to make up for the other.
6) Speaking of doubles, I was scheduled to be done July 6 - the day I'm leaving town. I asked if I could maybe double up two more days earlier in treatment so that I could finish on the 1st. Not a problem! They worked up my boost treatment plan so that, on two of the three days I did doubles, I had the whole breast in the morning and went back in the afternoon for the boost. I was limited to a max of 1 double per week and I had no problems.
7) Use lube from day one, every time you think about it. Do not apply within 4 hours of treatment. Take some with you so you can put it on after treatment before you get dressed. I used Aquaphor at night, SunBurnt after treatment (homeopathic gel available at Walgreens), and Xclair cream during the day. Xclair is for radiation dermatitis and is available by prescription, but my rad onc gave me a ton of sample packs. Avoid things with fragrance and alcohol.
8) For itching, I'm told nothing beats plain old corn starch (although Xclair works, too). Many baby powders have frangrance in them so be careful. For an itchy or sore nipple, I was told to cut up a soft cotton t-shirt into circles and put a layer or two of that between my skin and bra.
9) I was NOT told to avoid shaving or deodorant - but I did anyway. I was told to limit pool time to just a few minutes and to dry off and apply lube liberally immediately after. Also told not to expose the area to sun and to use a good sunblock (even under clothing) if I was going outside for any length of time. The sun is strong here!
10) I have saline implants. Treatment was designed using a machine that could shoot around the implant. I have to do stretches and move the implant around a few times a day to reduce the chance of capsular constriction - just like when I had them put in several years ago. I'm told there is an excellent chance that if I keep that up for 6-12 months I won't have any implant-related problems.
11) An interesting side note... My rad onc said that in many (most) countries where there is socialized medicine, patients are given multiple rad treatments a day to get them through it as fast as possible even though the side effects from such expedited treatments can be severe for the patient. Studies have shown, though, that stringing the treatments out like we do in the US works just as well AND with far fewer side effects.I realize that my experience may not be like yours, and that having to drag yourself in for daily treatments is a pain in the rear no matter how well they go, but you'll be surprised at how fast the time goes. Don't be afraid of the rads... the benefits outweigh the negatives, and it IS possible to breeze through the whole thing without trouble. I'm proof of that!
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Thanks for the info, Sunmuffin!! Your experience sounds really positive and relatively easy, so I'm hoping mine will be the same. Have a great weekend!
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Thanks for posting all that Sunmuffin, that helps to put away some anxiety.
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Another thank you from me, Sunmuffin. I see the RO for the first time on Monday and I was dreading the beginning of radiation treatments. Your encouragement and information helped a lot.
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Sunmuffin thank you so much for your post. I appreciate your encouragement and information too.
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Hi all, I actually finish July 8 but I ditto what Sunmuffin said... I didn't see any coments about losing weight... that is good.
My Nutritionist discussion was very interesting.. I am always trying to lose weight and she said now is not the right time - when you are healing from rads...if you lose weight during rads, you loose it in muscle mass not fat... It is very important to stay the same weight.. So.... she weighed me and told me to eat - high protein foods with at least 5 servings of bright looking veggies and fruits a day. Lots of water... and she gave me a shopping list of all the high protein foods to stock.
The list of proteins in the order she suggested were: eggs, salmon, beans, chickpeas, legumes, peanuts, fish, chicken, red meat, milk, peanut butter, yogurt and cottage cheese. She also gave a list of things to be I the kitchen:
Nuts: Almonds, Walnuts, Pecans, Pistachios
Beans: Black, Pinto, Kidney, chickpeas, lentils
Rice: Brown, Long grain, rice mixes
Pasta: Whole Wheat, Multigrain enriched spaghetti
Other grains: couscous, orzo, cornmeal, whole grain crackers
Onions
Black Tea -(green tea is in question at the moment because of a study that showed high concentrations made people with leukemia worse)
Canned low sodium tomatoes, sun-dried, salsa
Canned low sodium vegetables, green beans, mushrooms
Sauces: Low sodium pasta, tomato
Meats: canned tuna in water, salmon, clams, chicken
Peanut butter: low sodium
Evaporated milk, low or non fat
Vinegars: cider, red and white wine, balsamic
Oils: canola, olive and non fat cooking spriay
Spices: Tumeric (anti-inflammatory), Dried herbs, all kinds!
Garlic, potatoes, root vegetables
In the Refrigerator:
100% Vegetable and fruit juices
low fat milk and yogurt
Reduced fat, low soduim cheeses
Whole wheat and corn tortillas
Eggs
Low fat, non trans fat spread
In the freezer
Frozen vegetables, fruits
Frozen chopped onions and peppers
Whole wheat breads, wheat waffles, whole grain rolls
You need to eat at least 5 servings of vegetables (including legumes) and fruits a day, especially those with the most COLOR, a sign of high nutrient content. These foods are packed with vitamins, minerals and antioxidants that work together to lower the risk of several cancers. (American Cancer Society)
The last thing she left me with is that every meal needs a protein and salads don't cut it unless you add meat, beans or other proteins with it. -
Nice list thank you
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I had thought the reason why you should stay the same weight during rads was because changes to your body from varying your weight changes the "field" (area[s] where you get the rads as determined during the simulation).
Now I'm so glad I finished dieting (took me almost a year to do it, but I got down from 155 to 120! YAY ME!). I like and WANT to keep my current weight rads or no rads. I really got the maintenance thing down really well the last couple of months, so I guess all I have to do now is not lose my appetite while I'm having the rads.
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Count me in. I had my last Chemo 062311 and go first visit with RO July 7
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Janinnj
Congrats on getting through chemo- Hope you are beginning to get some strength back.
What cocktail did you have?
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Merilee- I had the AC x4 and Tx4.
MaryMeg- I to was a January start for chemo but just discovered these boards. I read through the January 2011 chemo group and applaud all of you who went through Chemo with young children. I don't know how you do it. My chemo was supposed to be dose dense and finished mid May but my body had other plans and I was slowed down by low WBC and HBG but got to the finish line just after you. Here's hoping Rad's will be easier.
Lifting my glass to everyone in this group. May we all come out the other side without any skin, heart or lung problems.
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Hi everyone,
I just returned from my first appointment with the radiation onc. It was all right. I return on Wednesday for the simulation and marking. It will be 33 treatments in all--28 whole breasts and 5 boosts to the tumor site. Mostly for me, it is fear of the unknown all over again. There has been a lot of that lately. Also, it was so nice to be able to keep my clothes on during chemo. Now, it is back to the striptease again.
Good luck to everyone.
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I had my first treatment today but thought I would join this group too since most of my treatments will be in July.
One down, 30 to go!!
I thought I was doing great dealing with having to have the radiation treatments but yesterday it hit me and I got all emotional and had some crying jags. My poor husband was so wonderful. He called into work this morning and told them he would be late so that he could go with me to my first treatment. Definitely made it easier though I know he can't do it everyday.
Thank you for the great list GmaFoley...that will be a big help. I had lost 11 pounds this spring before my diagnosis but I have gained a few back this past month...stress eating, I suppose. I guess I'll have to be careful through radiation though no one told me at the RO's office that I shouldn't lose weight.
I hope all of you ladies have a blessed day!
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So far I have survived six months of cancer diagnosis and treatments with very few tears, but I am sitting here tonight crying my eyes out at the thought of radiation treatments. The first RO appointment was all right with the doctor part, but there was this very upsetting woman from the American Cancer Society who accosted me in the waiting room and insisted on talking to me like I was brand new to cancer although I kept telling her how much I had already been through. She tried to give me pamphlets describing what breast cancer was and she wanted me to start the Look Good Feel Better classes in September because that is when she taught them. I told her I was already done with chemo and would be finished radiation by then, but she still would not stop talking. Never once during her whole speech did she ask how I was or how I felt. She was the tipping point that drove me over the edge. Time for me to speak up at the next visit to prevent her from hurting another woman. I am so busy fighting cancer that I forgot to act instead of react.
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I'd like to join you ladies since I start my treatments tomorrow so most of my treatments will be in July.
It's interesting to me how so many of us are really dreading the rads portion of our treatments. I did ok during chemo - 6 x TCH, duration of a year on Herceptin - but this rads thing really has me bent out of shape. I HATE it. My RO and I didn't really speak the same language at my consult or sim, so I have an appt to see him tomorrow before I have my first treatment.
Secondly, I'm very modest. Yeah, I know that sounds crazy after all we've been through but I hate the thought of being half naked every day in front of people.
And I a huge pain wimp. *sigh* And being deep friend everyday just sounds painful. *smile*
I had lumpectomy - the path report said my tumor was officially sized at 0.5cm. Actually, the IDC portion of my cancer was removed during my biopsy. No IDC remained for the surgery - but there was DCIS and ADH.
I'm 35 years old, the wife of a wonderful man who has been so amazing to me through this whole experience. We've been married for almost 17 years. I'm the stay at home mother to 4 kids (14, 11, and 7 year old twins). We lost a daughter after a household drowning accident in 2003.
i'm looking forward to settling in and getting through this part of treatment with you all!
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Liz 18 something a lady said to me in a grocery store set me off crying for 3 days last week. I completely relate to what you posted above.
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Pejkug3 and Merilee: Thank you for understanding and validating how I feel. It means the world to me. I hope we will all do well with radiation.
Merilee: I hope you are feeling better today after chemo.
Sending hugs to everyone.
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Pegkug3- I know we are all more than ready to be done with this. Just remember how much you are decreasing the odds of recurrence with each step you take. Like most mothers I'm sure you would go through hell for your little ones. and this has got to be pretty close. I understand the modesty problem. I work at the hospital where I have my treatment and these are people I see in the hallways everyday. I find it helpful to make a list of questions to ask the RO no matter how trivial. Then make myself ask all the questions no matter how stupid they sound. You'd be surprised how many of my"stupid" questions have lead ti information I might not have found any other way and my Docs never treated me like I was stupid for asking.
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Elizabeth1889....I'm thinking of you today and hoping that your simulation goes well. That wasn't bad for me.
I understand how you're feeling...I thought I had been doing so well and that I could handle the radiation and then on Sunday, the day before my first treatment, I just fell apart crying. I cried for several hours and got emotional every time I thought about it. My poor family...
I'm on day 3 of treatment and doing much better emotionally.
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Thank you for the encouragement Barb58. I am glad that you are doing better. All of you ladies are the best always.
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Rads 1/33 = DONE!
Heading for 2/33 in a few minutes...
Yesterday was just stressful. I don't know why I'm having such a visceral response to this part of my treatment. I've been cut and poisoned for 18 weeks and went through that ok. But this burning
portion of treatment really ticks me off.
Maybe because I have to be 1/2 naked in front of strangers everyday until August 19th.
Maybe it's because I have to go to the doctor everyday between now and August.
Maybe I'm just tired of this. It started on January 5th and I'm ready to be done with
it. (Am I ever really done though?)
Maybe the thought of burning my skin on purpose is just hard to absorb.
None of those are helped by an office staff that won't give me a schedule because I "don't have a job". So they want to tell me today when I should come in tomorrow making it impossible to schedule anything ahead of time. One day I'm to be there at 2pm, the next at 8:45am, the
next at 3:30pm, etc. Plus, I have other appts at the hospital to work around so I could be out to the hospital 3 different times next Friday. All because I "don't have a job" and should be more flexible.
(Part of the issue there is that I am by FAR the youngest person I have seen in the cancer center. The older people are retired and much older and don't have to work around family and
4 kids. My plan is to tell them that I'm going back to "work" so I'll need a standing appt. time)
So yesterday, they had me strip off my top and bra with 4 techs in the room...um, oookkkkk. No privacy at all, I guess. The simulation was suppoed to take 30 minutes. They ran the machine and it marks my fields. I have seven fields. The fields fit together like a puzzle and cover from the middle of my chest, all the way to the back of my ribcage from my collarbone to 2 inches below the bra line. Then the proceed to draw all over my chest with black sharpie to mark the fields for the radiation oncologist (RO) to approve. He comes in to look and says, "No, I want the isocenter over here". So all the markings get wiped off and the start over. He approves that plan and they zap me for the first time.
I was getting dressed - in front of everyone - to leave and they tell me, "Oh, no. You can't wear a bra until you're all through with radiation and your skin recovers." I had to argue to wear my bra out of the hospital! Plus, I was supposed to leave the black markings that went clear up my NECK on until tomorrow when they'll do more tattoos. (I had three tattoos done last week and I thought that was it - guess not.) Well, I can tell you that most of the black sharpie marks are gone just from clothing rubbing on them and sweating. But for $906 - they can mark them again.
The RO was great. He sat with me and went through all the technical parts of my plan. Initially, he wasn't sure I would be able to do radiation because he believed my heart would be in the way. He thought he would be hitting 27% of my heart, but my heart is positioned a bit differently than he thought it would be. He's only hitting 2% of it with this plan. But he's getting more of my lung (18%) so I should anticipate some pleurisy issues, a cough and fluid on my lung that will resolve once radiation is done. I figure that people live with one lung so I should be just fine.
I guess I like the doctor, but I don't like the staff.
And my appt should have been 30 minutes lying in a hard plastic form, with your arm over your head and your neck turned to one side, unable to move. And it was 75 minutes.
Just crabby.
But better today. Today shouldn't be so long. And I may request privacy to change clothes. I know, I know - after all this time, I shouldn't care. But I do. Even at the GYN then give you privacy to get changed and settled. Not here though...
Ugh. I'm sorry for whining. I guess I'm just weary. I kept remining myself yesterday that as frustrating as this experience is - it's better than cancer. I'd really like to be alive when my kids become adults and have their own lives. And this inconvenience is worth it to get me to that point.
I'm sure I'll settle into a routine and this will be ok. But I have such strong pre-appt.anxiety.
Radiation goes until August 19th - and the kids start school on August 22nd. I'd like a semi set schedule so I can plan to do some things with my kids, you know?
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Pejkug3
Oh hugs to you, so stressed out. Hang in there
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