June 2011 A/C & T Groupies Unite!

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  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2011

    Bracababe hope you are on the low end of SE's. I feel bad pretty much 4 or 5 hour after tx for at least 5 solid days. I stack any help I can scrounge (don't have much local help either) on those days. But others have not been knocked down as badly, you may not either. It feels like it's cumulative, my last one is next tues and each time it's taken a little longer to get back on my feet.



    Laura

  • brca1babe
    brca1babe Member Posts: 75
    edited June 2011

    beaglesgirl

    I enjoyed your blog.  some poignant stuff there. 

    sounds like I need to ensure the more help the first week after treatment and expecially towards the end.  that is helpful to know.

    My main concern is my 4yo son - I don't want him to be scared or think he did anything wrong.  I was his age when my mom was sick with ovarian cancer and it took a lot of work to understand it wasn't my fault...

     sarah

    thanks for "listening"

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited June 2011

    Hi all, I had been posting on the chemo june thread but I also wanted to join here as I am doing ACx4. I had my first infusion on 6/13/11 and had a very difficult time.  I needed constant care for my 5 year old daughter for 7 days before I started to be able to care for her.  My doctor thinks I had a reaction to the compazine and the steroids. She is changing the Compazine and cutting down the steroids and states she is hopeful that this time will be better. I am so scared! My next infusion is monday and I am praying it will not be so severe.  I am usually a pretty tough person so this really blew me away. For  newcombers though, please don't be scared by my post as it seems like most people are not having the severe SE I did the first time - I really hope I am not scaring anyone!!

    The good news is that I feel great today! I also got my hair cut really short and love it! I know this should only last a short time before it starts falling out but it is wonderful to like myself in short hair ( I have always had long hair). It makes me feel hopeful that once it grows in it will not take so long before I start to feel attractive again.

    brca1babe - I understand  your concerns about your 4 year old. I am also worried about my 5 year old but she does seem to be handling it well. On the days I feel well, I am very focused on her and our relationship. In fact, instead of focusing on getting through day to day tasks like we usually do the focus is on us and she said to me this morning that she thinks I "am becoming a better mom and she likes it". This is the same little girl who also told the babysitter the other night that Mommy smells alot ( she is talking about the gas!) How embarrassing!!!!

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited June 2011

    My second infusion of A/C was yesterday.  I'm taking claritin the next several days to see if that helps with Neulasta pain.  My first round I was zonked for much of day 3, all days 4, 5, and 6.  Today, day 2, I got sleepy in the late afternoon.  I'm not working; I'm a stay at home mom.  The girls have been going to summer school 8-12.  That ends next Friday.  The weekend after infusion I've been having them go to Grandmas (or my sister, who lives 2 doors up from grandparents) for the weekend.  It give my husband a break as well.  He's helping a buddy on his house Sat and golf Sunday morning.  he's been doing a lot more with the kids than he's used to, so I want to make sure he gets a chance to revive as well.  And I like a QUIET house for the worst days.

    I don't really know what dose dense means.  But both my A/C and T will be 4 treatments each 2 weeks apart.  I didn't ask a ton of questions.  I just said, lets get started. Well, after I told her I wouldn't do rads!  Fortunately with the rads my instinct was right.  It was absolutely a gray area whether rads would have any benefit to me, so I feel extra comfortable that I said no from the get go.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited June 2011

    I'm really curious - just how much Decadron/steroids is everyone getting?  I'm getting just 6 mg as a pre-med day of treatment only.  I would say I did much better than expected on that small dose.   I wonder how much is overkill?

    Michelle

  • marial
    marial Member Posts: 255
    edited June 2011

    I got 8 mg at infusion..ten was told to take 4mg twice a day for 2 days

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited June 2011

    Paula - basically, dose dense means every two weeks instead of every three weeks.  There is some science that indicates it is more effective, especially for triple negative cancer.  One advantage is that it doesn't take as long. 

    Michelle

  • wendy72
    wendy72 Member Posts: 22
    edited June 2011

    I just received my second dose of AC on Tues and got my Neulasta shot on Wed.  My face and neck were red prior to my shot and my onc told me to take benedryl for it.  I was feeling decent until this morning I woke up and my muscles from my belly up are sore.  In some places when I press down on my skin I feel like it is bruised but it doesn't look bruised.  Is this a side effect of the Neulasta shot?  I don't remember having this the first round but I had had my port put in the same day as my treatment and had a bone and CT scan that Thurs.  So I can't compare this time to last time.

    Also,  I am doing the Taxol every week after the 4 AC's, how is that compared to the AC?  I am going to start working a week after my last AC and plan on having my Taxol treatments on Fridays which will be a day off for me.  Does this sound doable?

  • kyroheal
    kyroheal Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I am also new to this thread. I was diagnosed at the age of 27 at the end of April, then had a lumpectomy in May and now onto chemo.

    I'm starting AC dose dense tommorrow...finally!!! It seems like forever that I have been waiting for this day to start...but now that it's here, I kinda feel unprepared despite all the research I have been doing. I have been pushing so hard at school the last couple of weeks (intense pharmacy program) that I forgot to make myself a "chemo kit". Any tips on what I need for AC?

    All of you ladies seem to be doing great, and SEs don't seem to be as bad as expected. I hope the same goes for me!

    Just had all my scans done...all CLEAR! Thank God (truly it was many many prayers that has gotten me through the first part)

    Goodluck ladies and keep your spirits up!

    :)

  • kyroheal
    kyroheal Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2011

    @ Wendy: I don't know too much about the Neulasta shot yet, but from what I'm hearing taxol is alot easier than AC. some women have even reported hair growing back with taxol. Also different kind of side effects; less nausea more bone pain (claritin helps with bone pain). With taxol, my oncologist told me it is a longer slower infusion due to risk of allergic reaction so its good that you have the day off.

    Goodluck with everything, hope you feel better :)

  • ThingsChange
    ThingsChange Member Posts: 22
    edited June 2011

    Hi Kyroheal, sorry you had to join our group!  How sad, you are sooo young but your attitude is great, and you are right, God answers prayers.  Many of mine have been answered as well. The good news is we are all here to help, you will get thru this and live a long, happy cancer free life!! 

    Sounds like you did your homework!!!  I've only had 1 AC so far, doing every other week, total of 4 treatments.  Then taxol every week for 8 weeks. Side effects so far have been minimal.  There is a great thread that has a great "shopping list" for different side effects..I will find it for you.

    As far as a chemo kit to bring with you, I brought my own lap blanket, a book or MP3 player, mints or gum, bottle of water, small snack - crackers or if you are there at lunch time maybe something light.  I did eat a light breakfast and a little protein before I went.  My infusion center has a big screen TV and lots of mags, but also has Wi-Fi so you can bring your laptop if you want...they also had a variety of goodies, cookies, etc and coffee and tea.  The time went by quickly, maybe cause it was my first time and I think if dozed off a couple of times...about 2-1/2 hours total.  I am sure others will post with more great tips as there are some amazing women on here with a little more experience than me. 

    Good luck, you will do great. Make sure you listen to your body, rest when you need to, be sure to eat when you need to and drink alot.  I drink whatever I can get down, today it's gatorade, yesterday iced tea (diluted with water, too sweet for me). Your taste will change too.  Take the anti-nausea meds before the nausea sets in, keep that under control.  Sorry for the long post!

  • ThingsChange
    ThingsChange Member Posts: 22
    edited June 2011

    go to "Chemo, before, during and after" and you will see the "tips" thread thumb-tacked there....lots of good stuff there.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited June 2011

    Yes, there are some good tips on how to prepare for chemo.  I will say, though, that every chemo lounge is different.  Mine provides warmed blankets, a fridge stocked with different beverages, different lunch items for patients including sandwiches, soups, and snacks.  I brought a drink container and my hubby or daughter kept it full the whole time.   I brought my laptop because there is wifi access, pretty common now at most centers.  And each suite has a flatscreen tv mounted on the wall.  Of course, with both my hubby and daughter in attendance, I didn't do much except chat with them.  It was my first time and they were "ever-watchful" Laughing  And my chemo nurse was frequently checking on me.  I don't think I could have napped even if I had wanted to close my eyes.  And in my center, you can hear other people's conversations and see what's going on, unless a patient has closed the curtain. It's not exactly a "private" experience.

    Michelle

  • wendy72
    wendy72 Member Posts: 22
    edited June 2011

    First I hope everyone has a SE free day.  I am on day three after round two and feeling much better than I did yesterday. I just feel a little weak. 

    I have noticed that some people talk about eating fruit and salad on these posts.  My doctor told me I cannot eat any fresh fruits and vegetables.  I am bringing this up because one of my friends brought over seedless watermelon and it smells soooo good!!!!  She brought it over for my kids but it seems to be calling to me!!! 

  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2011

    Wendy, I thought any fruit with a thick rind was safe. I've been eating watermelon and melon all along.

  • marial
    marial Member Posts: 255
    edited June 2011

    Wendy I was told no salads and fruits that can not be washed easily like small berries due to the possible bacteria on them..all other fruit was ok for me

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited June 2011

    My doc said nothing about fruits and veggies!  Hmmm.  I will say I made what I'm calling my chemo soup.  I was craving it last round but had no energy to make it.  Lemon chicken rice spinach soup.  It's just right.  Very simple.  And the rest of my fam will not touch it!  I found it on allrecipes.com.

  • FGCUfan
    FGCUfan Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2011

    Had my first A/C yesterday with 6 Decadron but I sure didn't get the promised boost in energy!!  My regmine is 4 A/C every 2 weeks the 2 weeks downtime & 12 Taxol once a week . 

    Treatment went fine, my Center doesn't provide anything but water & is a large open room with about 45 recliners.  Very noisy & difficult for me, it certainly did kick in the fibro pain & had to take Vicodin while there. I was there about  4hrs, including blood work & onc visit.  I took a light blanket & used it, & may take my down & feather pillow next time - the vinyl recliner pillow lacks a little something!  I plugged in my cd player (old school) & listened to a book on cd to cut down on the noise.  There is wifi available & maybe I'll take the laptop if the book doesn't work out.  Next week I will take sunglasses or a sleep mask to decrease the bright lights.  I was hungry throughout & seemed to eat constantly!  I ate a whole ham & swiss sandwich, 6 cookies, grapes, & crackers; also drank a bottle of gatorade & 2 bottles of water.  When I got home I was tired, it was too hot & muggy to walk so I had a nap, went out for pizza & big salad.  Did some laundry & took another nap before bedtime.  I didn't really have any nausea.  I took Zofran at 8am yesterday, then Emend 1 hr. before the A/C and another Zofran at 9:30pm along with a Claritin. Sleep was as lousy as usual so nothing new there, I'll just continue to nap when the mood strikes.

    This morning @ 7am I took another Zofran & 2 Fioricet w/Cod. for headache, then had a walk around the neighborhood before it got too hot came home & had 2 scrambled eggs with toast & my Emend.  More laundry done & then backache started again.  Took a Percocet & here I am telling you all about it!  My Neulasta is this afternoon & the doctor says it's okay for me to do the rest of them at home (I'm an RN & so are 2 of my neighbors) if the insurance company approves it.  I live about an hour drive from the Center & it would save time & money if I can do them at home. 

    I'm praying that the rest of the A/C goes this well for me & that all of you have good treatment days & decreased SEs.  My onc & chemo nurse had never heard about the Claritin so I'm their guinea pig.  I'm expecting the best from it & hope they can pass it on to others.

     My onc says eat anything I want as long as 50% of my daily intake is protein.  I asked about fresh fruits & vegtables & she says no problem; I also asked the chemo nurse at Chemo Boot Camp & her answer was the same. 

    I'll let you know how the Neulasta goes, but as I said--I'm expecting the best but don't want to get to cocky, God may knock me down a peg!!

    Here's to Good treatments, little SEs, & restful nights for all.  You're all on my prayer list.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited June 2011

    I asked about the fruits and veggies issue and was told that as long as I wasn't neutropenic (low white cells) it wasn't a problem.  Since I automatically get Neulasta the day after treatment, I'm not expecting to have a problem.  Being diabetic, fruits and veggies are a big part of my diet and it would be a problem for me if I had to avoid them.   I do think that watermelon would be OK because of the thick rind.  Same with cantaloupe, citrus fruits - anything that you peel.  Just be sure to wash the outside carefully.  I'm eating my strawberries, blackberries and blueberries until and unless I develop a problem. 

    I've read that some people give themselves the Neulasta shot.  My center doesn't encourage it...the shot is $3000!  And it has to be kept in the fridge and administered within a certain window after chemo.  I am just 20 minutes away, so I'll let the experts handle it. 

    Hugs and healing,

    Michelle

  • kyroheal
    kyroheal Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2011

    Thingschange and lyvRVing,

    Thanks so much for the great tips and information!! I had my first treatment today and feel pretty good so far. Have been walking around and had a great dinner. I'm feeling a little sleepy but it's all good. I'm sure SEs will kick in a fee days.



    Will keep you posted!



    Goodluck to all you ladies

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited June 2011

    kyroheal - congratulations on first one done! I hoping for minimal SE for you!

     I was told to avoid fruits and only eat cooked vegs from my nurse. I am sticking to this for the most part.

    I just got my hair cut - short and cute. None has fallen out yet. I really like the new cute, wish I could keep it a little longer.

    I go for 2nd infusuion on Monday. Hoping it goes better than last time!

    My best to you all!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited June 2011

    Hi there friends, thought I would add a post to help bump this up. I just posted in the June 2011 thread. Wanted to add that what I had heard is unless your counts are down, you should be able to eat those frruits and veggies.  Maybe as a precaution avoid them during the nadir period but I haven't been so far. I figure that's not my big worry - I work in a nursing home and there's all kinds of pneumonia, GI bugs, etc. floating around - so I have modified my workload a bit (traded some assignments with co-workers) as to minimize my time in resident's rooms.

    Lots of people seem to be doing Neulasta. My doc has me doing Neupogen shots, I learned how to do them on myself and have the supply I need - I start them again tommorrow, daily for a week.  No major pain there, I was surprised!  I was all prepared to take claritin to help with it but didn't feel the need last time.

    So far... knock on wood... it's all been manageable. I wish I could take another nap but want to have a solid night's sleep tonight, sleep is always a bit touchy when on the steroids.

    Does anyone know how soon before chemopause kicks in?  I drink soy milk daily (thank god I'm ER-) and was thinking this might help with some of the symptom,  but I had what definitely felt like a hot flash the other day.  Or was it flushing from the steroids or just the hot weather?  So difficult to tell. Undecided

    Lots of prayers, lots of laughs, lots of love are helping with the whole process. My support system is amazing!!!

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited June 2011

    Kks_rd - can't answer the question about chemopause.  I'm more than a decade past natural menopause, so fortunately I am not suffering any hot flashes.  I think it would be hard to tell what's causing what with all the chemicals circulating around in our bodies! 

    I, too, have a fabulous family and friend support system, and I am so glad we made the quick move back east to be with our kids.

    Hugs and healing,

    Michelle

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited June 2011

    I feel like some symptoms of chemopause are creeping in.  I'm day 4 of second round.  I had my port put in this past Monday and the surgery kickstarted my period.  2 days later my very oily facial skin is feeling normal and I'm feeling vaginal dryness.  Not a good combo w/period!  I'm needing the wet wipes now.  Keeps me comfortable.  i've had issues w/night sweats previously.

  • kyroheal
    kyroheal Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2011

    kks_rd: I'm also triple negative and have been drinking lots of soy milk. However, I started taking Lupron shots before chemo to suppress my ovaries in order to make them less susceptible to chemo. I didn't want do the IVF procedure and wait an extra 3 weeks being triple negative, so it was the least I could do I guess, bc I really want children one day if all goes well with the BC. The point is, that puts me into menopause as well. I have been feeling hot but I completely understand not knowing what its from. The steroids also make me feel funny, I think I may get a prescription for sleep meds. can't seem to fall asleep

    I'm starting neupogen as well. I'm hoping to do be able to do it myself because I don't really want a nurse coming to my house everyday. How are they???

    I also remember you mentioning in earlier posts about feeling random pains in the area, and yes before I had my lumpectomy, I felt random zings and zangs, maybe its the triple negative thing, I know they grow a bit faster so maybe the tissue around it can't keep up. Glad you're starting chemo now

    @ Singlemom: I'm glad you like your haircut, isn't it interesting to see that we might enjoy other styles that we may have never tried before? I will be cutting my hair this week as well. I bought a wig though as close as my natural hair - just dont want to deal with unecessary questions like "OMG when did you cut your hair, let me see...why? when??" especially with people I didn't want to share my story with. Anywho when I was at the wig place, I tried on shorter ones and actually loved them!! Maybe eventually I will slowly trim the wig and make it a short one.

     Best of Luck everyone!!!!

  • FGCUfan
    FGCUfan Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2011

    I'm day 4 after the 1st A/C & doing good.  Yesterday I went to the community market & did my usual produce shopping & even walked a few extra laps, then went to the grocery store for the weeks provisions, came home & put all away, had lunch & then immediately I was sleepy the rest of the day & had a little nausea in the evening but the Compazine controlled it.  I probably didn't need to take it but I hate to vomit!!  I even slept most of the night but never more than 2 hours at a time which is usual.  Today I'm up & about without any SEs.  Again, feeling lucky. 

    My Neulasta med was $2,465.21 & my portion was $493.04.  Then the charge for the injection was $22.49  & I paid $4.50 of it.  Guess it won't be much of a saving for the insurance to have me do my own injections but the drive time of 2 hrs + the gasoline savings to me will make it better for me IF it gets approved.  But I haven't checked the price from my mail order pharmacy or CVS vs the Center's prices

    Thanks to all who mentioned the Claritin, I am so relieved not to have those SEs.

    Love, luck, laughter, peace, prayers, & little SEs to all

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited June 2011

    hey everyone!! well its what, day 5 for me since my first dd a/c..well day 1 & 2 were ok day 3 def tired and day 4 I was wiped out (couldn't keep my eyes open) and had nausea..got that better under control last night and today (compazine) don't know how long this will last as I hate feeling like laying around...did walk across the street to the park and back for some exercise..my appetite has been very little as well which is probably not helping with my energy level...hope day 6 is better!!!! glad you all are doing good

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited June 2011

    oh and don't forget my mouth is sooo yucky (couldn't think of a better word) no sores just white film..

  • 716bobbiejo
    716bobbiejo Member Posts: 140
    edited June 2011

    I, too, am interested in the chemopause question that kks_rd asked.  I got my last period the day before my 1st Taxol infusion & am due to get it again this week.  Just wondering if I will...

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited June 2011

    dsnydawn - I  started to feel much better by day 7 so hopefully you will feel better soon. Hang in there!

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