kinesio tape and compresion sleeve

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cindy2
cindy2 Member Posts: 32
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

My therapist has been trying Kinesio taping my hand and forearm to help reduce the swelling and pain.  I am game to try this but I am having real difficulty getting my sleeve and gauntlet on without peeling or rolling all the tape up into a mess.  Anyone have any suggestions for this problem?  I am only seeing the therapist 2 times a week and she is not doing any wrapping--which I am not too sure about as I have considerable swelling at night when I take my sleeve off.  Any advice would be appreciated.

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  • CherylG711
    CherylG711 Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2011

    Are the ends of the Kinesio tape rounded?  I trim my tape so the ends are rounded which helps with the peeling up issue for me.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2011

    Cindy, your garments don't reduce swelling, only MLD and wrapping do. The garments only help maintain the loss that comes from proper treatment. So I'd suggest you sit down with this therapist and the NLN Position Paper on treatment, and have a heart-to-heart about why she's not wrapping and why she's seeing you only twice a week. And maybe about her training as well, so you have some idea of where she's coming from. Might be time for a second opinion!

    The National Lymphedema Network Position Papers on Treatment and on Therapist Training are on the right-hand side of this page, near the bottom:
    http://www.lymphnet.org

    Lymphedema is life-long, so we need both the initial treatment and the self-care skills to keep it in check. Keep us posted on how you're doing!
    Binney

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited June 2011

    Cindy,

    I normally use kinesio tape only, but in this heat, I'm having to wear my compression garments non-stop as well.

    It takes some practice getting the sleeve on and not pulling the tape, but it's doable.  The biggest thing for me is the tape needs to come past the wrist on the top of the hand. Also, you have to don the garment by scrunching up the sleeve almost like a bracelet at the wrist, and then carefully working it up.

    Between MLD, wrapping, the tape, and the flexi-touch machine, I keep my arm pretty manageable most of the time.

    Good luck to you!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2011

    Another idea for easy donning over tape is a Ezy-As:
    http://northernliving.tv/ezyas/view.php?ser=6

    Binney

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited June 2011

    For keeping your kinesio tape intact I would recommend the Easy Slide donning aid.  It totally covers up the kinesio tape so there is no friction when pulling up your compression sleeve.They fold up easily into your purse and can be taken anywhere as needed.  I am never without mine!

    Here is a quick video showing how to donn your sleeve with the Easy Slide:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQAVJyQ75A

    Easy slides can be purchased at many online shops.  

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  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited June 2011

    Thanks Linda Lou

  • cindy2
    cindy2 Member Posts: 32
    edited June 2011

    Thanks for all the replies.  I will look into some of the suggestions for help in getting the compression sleeve on.

    Binney4:  I agree with you.  I was expecting that my arm would be wrapped for the first few weeks.  I am very willing and capable of learning to wrap at home.  The therapist is doing about 5 minutes of mld at the end of the session right before applying the tape--that is it.  I discussed wrapping with the head therapist when I had my assessment and she indicated that yes, they would do it, if I was willing--apparently a lot of their patients are not. So far I am 4 sessions and 2 full weeks in and the swelling is actually worse although my shoulder is getting a little looser--that seems to be the focus of their efforts. 

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    Binney knows a lot of stuff!! Thanks for all your advise..

    I forgot to mention the Juxta Sleeve. Check out their web site. just type in juxta sleeve

    I have had in my drawer until my cellituits attack!!! Now my arm is in better shape than before the attack!!! I use a regular guantlet with it.. it comes with a glove and other stuff!! It is easy and very affective!!! My insurance paid for it. You have to have the PT measure your arm and hand for it!!

    Binney I was going to PM you and ask you if you had heard of this???!!! Have you!! It is really good

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2011

    Towny, hello,Smile

    I just got Circaid Juxta-fit sleeves (and sent the gloves back -- too stiff! I use my regular day gloves with it).

    On the plus side they're very convenient and can be used for either day or night (which regular garments cannot). They're also adjustable, which makes them especially helpful for flares (which is what I got them for).

    I have two reservations about them, though. First, if you don't pull them up high enough they can irritate your wrist. And second, because you adjust them each time you put them on you really have to concentrate and make sure you're not tightening the upper straps more than the lower ones. That would trap fluid further down in your arm, just like a poorly wrapped arm or a regular day garment that doesn't fit well. The temptation -- if your upper arm is swollen, say -- is to pull the straps too tight over the area you're worried about.

    Does any of that make sense?!

    Cookiegal just got one too -- how's it going with yours, Cookie?

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2011

    Cindy, keep us posted, please. Wrapping "if you want it" is unacceptable as a protocol for LE treatment (as you obviously already know!Smile) That's like telling my daughter, who has diabetes, that she can inject insulin if she's feels so inclined.

    Actually, there's a therapist close to where I live who has that same attitude -- her version is, if it's too hot, don't bother to wrap or wear garments. Only, when it's hot is the worst time for flares. Needless to say her patients are not doing well!Undecided

    I'm really sorry that it's up to you to insist on good treatment, and to have to struggle to get it.Frown Tell us how we can help!

    Hugs,
    Binney

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited June 2011

    Binney...hi! It is pretty good...they key is not too tight! 

    I actually really like it for evening before bed...I can wear it while I am watching tv, it's more comfortable than the sleeve.

    I wouldn't say it has been miraculous, but it's been helpful.

    Towny....PM me. I will be on Shelter Island next weekend for three nights!!!! 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2011

    Cindy--Sometimes you have to direct the treatment--it is NOT okay that they're not addressing your night time swelling, and you should know how to wrap--it's a powerful tool in managing your LE.

    Their focus may be your shoulder, but using kinesio tape, IMO is something to add to the basics to CDT: which is MLD, wrapping, exercises and compression garments.

    I would suggest bringing in the NLN guidelines for therapy, and having the therapist review how she will address them, and insist on being wrapped.

    Here are the NLN guidelines for treatment--they're on this page:

    http://www.lymphnet.org/lymphedemaFAQs/positionPapers.htm

    And on our treatment page, we link to them and a handout created by one clinic, that can be used as a reference:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/treatments_for_lymphedema.htm

    It's so hard to "tell" the professionals what to do, but it seems that more often than not, we have to, in order to get the care we need.

    There was an article by Guenter Klose on self managment--just a page. I'll bump it.

    Let us know how it works out

    Kira

  • cindy2
    cindy2 Member Posts: 32
    edited June 2011

    So, I am guessing that you folks don't think that the 5 minutes of light 'rubbing' of my arm (that never extends beyond my shoulder) at the end of my session, should not really count as MLDWink  I see them again on Monday and I will talk with the therapist about the plan.  If I do not get a better answer than I have now, I will call the physician and ask for a different referal.  I cannot believe that living with pitting edema my entire lower arm is the best we can do!

    I let you know how it goes.  The therapists did say that they were thoroughly trained in lymphedema therapy.........

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2011

    Cindy, that can mean a weekend wonder course. Try and find out what school trained them: I looked my people up using therapist locator:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    And, unfortunately, even "qualified" therapists can deliver bad care: NO with pitting edema in the entire lower arm, IMO, you should be getting the full body MLD--clear the trunk, back, extremities and then be wrapped to clear that fluid out. Not just some arm stroking and kinesio tape.

    There have been so many posts about inadequate treatment lately--you should read Becky Sharp's post on the grrrr thread: I wrote to one of the heads of the 4 major schools and told him about it. For what it's worth....

    Clearly not the best they can do.Yell

    Kira

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