Please help me understand
Hello everyone, I hang around the Stage iv discussions because I am the 51 year old daughter of a 71 year old mom with bc mets to her liver as of this February, so I am always looking for treatment options for her. I have a large extended family and the only other person who had bc was mom's aunt who passed away of it at 76. We are brac neg. I am glad I ran into this forum. Since mom has been dxed stage iv, I am terrified. I have had two biopsies, both negative, but get called back all the time for second looks. I can't even go to get a mammo anymore without a xanax tagging along. I go to a breast specialist who has dismissed any discussion of a prophyllactic mastectomy for me. I am wondering as to the lingo on this site "ADH, ALH ect." "PBMX". Can someone fill me in on this so I can follow along? I would gladly get the mastectomy to not have to go through what my mom has gone thru and will go thru for the rest of her life. Why is it that insurance will pay for a gal to make them bigger or make them smaller ( a girl I work with just told them her back hurt so they would pay - her back was fine), but they would rather pay for me to get countless MRIs and mammos and ultrasounds and biopsies for the rest of my life? I am so emotional these days. It is soooo hard watching your mom go through this and I am so helpless. She is my best friend and my hero - gee, I'm crying again just typing this. Well, thanks for any info, friends. Nice to meet some fellow worriers like me. Mary
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My mother also went through this and passed when she was 57 and I was 34. That was even before anyone ever heard of BRCA. From being on this site and others I understand that you can get coverage for PBMX (prophylactic bilateral mastectomy), especially when there is a strong family history like you have. With all due respect to your doctor, you need to find someone else who really does understand Not only understands but is far more knowledgeable than yours. I can tell you there are many many out there who will support you
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I suggest you get copies of all your tests results and reports & seek a 2nd or even a 3rd opinion from another breast specialist. Try to find doctors affliated with a NCI - National Cancer Institue. You might also look into to cancer support groups in your area. These groups can often provide a wealth of information of doctors and treatment centers.Juist being with others that truly understand what you are going through is comforting.
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Hi, ALH, and ADH are atypical lobular hyperplasia and atypical ductual hyperplasia. When I was diagnoised with ALH, last year at age 49 (after many biopsies, call backs etc. over the years) doctors said it was precancerous. My mother also had bc, and an aunt and cousin - but negative for BRCA. Because of the ALH insurance would pay for PBMX - which I decided to do because I was tired of the worry also. Keep us posted and prayers for your mom - Hugs, Valerie
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See if your local hospital has a genetic counselor. My insurance company denied my PBMX twice even though I had ADH and family history. At the suggestion of my breast surgeon, I met with the genetic counselor who reviewed my family history and provided me with a letter stating what my overall lifetime risk was. Insurance approved the surgery the day they got the letter.
I understand your worry and I hope you will get the treatment you deserve and need to alleviate your worry and also reduce your risk. Please let us know how things turn out.
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Mary:
I so understand your stress. My mom was diagnosed in 1997, my sister in 2000 and me in 2003. I felt like I was just waiting for it to hit. We had the BRCA test and none of us carry the gene. I was leaning towards prophylactic bmx if it was positive. Ended up getting lumpectomy /radiation. Had recurrence two years later and got bmx. Two and a half years latet stage iv hit. My mom and sister are still clear. Yipee! My niece is thinking prophylactic bmx now since she is 32 and has small children. It is such a personal choice and there are no rhyme or reasons what this disease does. Listen to your gut, be proactive in your care, dont settle for anything you dont like and you will do well. Take back what you can control and walk away from what you cant. We are always here for you! Lorelei -
I had a PBMX a week ago today. They found LCIS( lobular cancer in situ)) when they did a sterotactic biopsy followed by an excision (lupectomy) 6 years ago. I had another lumpectomy about a year later with the same findings (more LCIS). Then came 5 years of needle biopsies after mammos that showed something "suspicious" . I was on a regimen of annual MRI's and mammo's (alternating 6 months) and saw my BS every six months. He would not discuss PBMX either and just kept saying "one step at a time" whild he talked about how dense my breast tissue was. I found a lump (again on my right side) and went into see him. He found two more.We had a tx. plan that we agreed on: repeat mammo and ultrasound, followed by an MRI and then a visit w/ him to make a decision about next steps. Somehow, in the course of the following week, a needle biopsy was scheduled-he did not call me, nor return my calls when I called and left messages that this was not what we agreed to.
Long story short, I switched BS and within 15 minutes of our first visit, when I brought up the idea of PBMX, she said she thought it was the best for me at this point given my hx. So, I had it done-alot of people thought it was a very aggressive thing to do, but when I mentioned the possibility of avoiding chemo and radiation, they got on board.
I received the pathology report from my BS late Friday. They found DCIS (ductal cancer in situ)-which I believe is more serious than LCIS in my Left breast (no previous involvment of the left breast). Because they took all the tissue, the BS said they go clean margins and she didn't think I would need chemo or radiation. Which is a good thing, because I started reconstrucion immediatly and my understanding (from my PS) was that if they found something and I needed chemo or radiation, reconstruction would stop until those treatments were over.
LONG winded way of saying this is a very personal decision and one that is often made over a period of time. One of my close friends reminded me of that after I saw the 2'nd BS. My response was that I've been thinking about this for the last 6 years-it's not like it was a new idea.
I am SO happy I made this decision. According to my BS when she reviewed the path. reports last Friday:' You can go to bed with a smile on your face tonight because you made the RIGHT decision. If you hadn't, we would probably be having a very different discussion 6 months or a year from now". Yes, I'm happy I did this.
Pat
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Pat - thanks so much for sharing your story. I had PBMX with a diagnosis of ALH only, which is not as bad as LCIS. It just makes me feel lucky that my srugeon and plastic surgeon all agreed that it was a good decision for me. I had been living with worry and tests for too long. I hope you are feeling good being a week out - sooooo glad you made the deicision!! Were you able to have nipple sparing?
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Val, I was able to have nipple sparing. My left looks really good, my right....not so good. When I saw the PS yesterday, he said he couldn't tell yet, but by next week he'd be able to defiitivly and woud promise me- one way or the other! Fingers crossed....Pat
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Val, I was able to have nipple sparing. My left looks really good, my right....not so good. When I saw the PS yesterday, he said he couldn't tell yet, but by next week he'd be able to defiitivly and woud promise me- one way or the other! Fingers crossed....Pat
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Pat - hope all goes well next week. I think we were lucky to have nipple sparing - some doctors don't do it - they aren't trained and don't even let patients know it is an option.
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Val, I know-I was so thrilled when my BS said she worked with a PS that did this-I don't thinkI even knew it was an option-so hard to remember-it all is kind of a blur now.
I think my right nipple looks a tad better today (trying not to get to hopeful). My left side looks almost the same as prior to surgery-one tiny stitch in the middle that they had to do because my skin was kind of tight. Once that's out-it will look pretty much exactly how it looked prior to surgery I think.
And to think they found DCIS in that breast when they did the pathology test. I would have been facing a very different decision had I not decided to do this. No nipple sparing, my understanding, if you have any cancer in the breasts. I was afraid they'd say they had to go back and take them, but my BS was confident that they got it all and so need to do anything further.
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