May 2011 Radiation

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  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited June 2011

    Done on the 14th of June, and had  no problems during rads, but now feel tired.  The breast is ok, just this damn feeling of WOW who sucked the life out of me.......................other then that I'm ok.................not even sore, not one bit and I had whole breast, with 8 boosts............36 total.  Suppose to start Femara and I am avoiding that like the Plague...................still sits on the countertop calling my name..........................haven't taken it yet, and am not sure I even will.................thinking of taking my chances without it.............I know what yur thinking......................, just don't want the bullshit of the SE.

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited June 2011

    Ducky: I feel the same way but MO hasn't given me the name of the pill he is thinking of putting me on and he made an appt for 2 weeks after I finish rads to talk about it...  I know I'm postmenopausal from tests last year... so it seems like it will be the same route as you :P  Let you know in another 5 weeks..

  • NewatThis
    NewatThis Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2011

    All: Thanks for the votes of courage. It's my left breast that's being treated. I did a little googling and the only thing I can come up with is costochondritis. It's a side effect I hadn't heard of.  Still stuggling to fully expand my lungs, but thankfully the elephant has stepped off my chest.  Of course, they hit me with mega-drugs to stop the pain the other night....I'm on the short course, the "Canadian course" --4 1/2 weeks, and I wonder if the extra radiation they give me just caught up with me.  Hate hate hate feeling weak.  Think I have only one more full breast tx and then the boosts. 

    Ducky, I feel your pain. It's the lethargy, the exhaustion...I could sleep for a month.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited June 2011

    Ducky,

    You can try the Fem.  You may not have any SE from it.  Not everyone does.  Look at how rads worked for you...no pain 5 days later?  That's AWESOME.

    My frankenboob really hurts when I lay down.....

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited June 2011

    Hi everyone.  I'm 11 days out of my last rad treatment.  The fatigue hit me really hard the few days after my last rad.  My skin opened under my arm with the boosts, but the under skin was already new - I didn't look like I had burned then blistered, just dark skin "rolling" off.  Now I look like someone with a pigment disorder - whole breast, underneath, and underarm.  The new skin is really baby pink, the peeling of and around the nipple was the most uncomfortable.

    I see my RO on July 14 for follow up.  I will be asking about delayed SE.  I know of pneumotitis that can come on 3 months later.... 

  • chardon64
    chardon64 Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2011

    I would really like some comments on lymph node radiation. I was DX'd last Nov. 2010 with  breast cancer. I had a bilateral mastectomy on 12/3/10. I had 2 tumors removed from my right breast at 1.5cm.and 1.7 cm. I was Stage 3c with IDC, Grade 3, ISC high pos.,28 aux. LN were removed with 14 pos., ER and PR both low pos. I started chemo on 1/5/11. Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin. It was to be every 3 weeks, but I was hit with too many side effects. I have glaucoma, and the taxotere and steroids  also affected my eye pressure. My Dr. decided to go every week after that and changed from Taxotere to Taxol as less harmful to my eyes. I just finished my course of treatment 5/15.  I meet with my oncologist tomorrow  to discuss radiation- daily for 5 weeks with 3 angles of my right underarm - tho with 28 gone I only have a few LN left. This is where I am stressing myself over after talking to my URO/GYN (had a 2 mo. intense bladder lining and urinary infection due to chemo. My oncologist gave me 2 weeks of Herceptin (no chemo) to give the 2nd round of antibiotics a chance to work.)  My URO/GYN had me get the book "How Drs. Think" as he has reservations on my radiation. Then my primary Dr. told me I should not do it. She said she's seen 3rd degree burns aggravated by the arm movement, and wet blisters that often lead to open wounds.I did more web research and found this possible with LN radiation . HELP!!! Has anyone had this type of LN radiation?? I would really appreciate any personal feedback. I read the HER2 book,  even got the movie,, and signed up on the Genetch Herceptin site, but finding more personal info on my big decision now is hard to come by.Thank you to anyone who responds! 

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited June 2011

    charcon64~ I really feel uneducated after reading your post.  I just finished radiation.  I had radiation whole breast, super clav and underarm for lymph nodes.  I am really large breasted which my MO and RO anticipated the worst.  I faired really well, not sure if this is the same radiation you are looking at. 

    I had a seroma right away in the "missing" tissue from my partial mastectomy, but we left it alone and it started to resolve itself. The fatigue was the worst side effect for me.  The last week of rads my skin opened, but the new skin had already begun growing underneath.

    My MO scheduled an appt toward the end of rads anticipating having to step in and stop if side effects were bad. She was really surprised and asked what I did.  I told her exactly what the RO asked me to do - only use creams he gave me, dry skin all the way after showers, keep the skin under breast dry etc. 

    Hope this helps. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    For the first time during all this, I am feeling really down. Screaming pain in my hips, knees and feet all weekend so of course very little sleep. Also spent Father's Day at the cemetary. I lost my Dad when I was 13, but I miss him every day. This is the first time I've cried in over a month and a half and I'm not sure I can face 5 more weeks of rads. This just sucks!

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited June 2011

    (((Rohanna)))...You can finish this....for some reason the first two weeks were the most emotional for me....I think I've read that is usually the way it is for most women.  Hang in there.

    Char, I am having axilla radiation right now, just 4 days left.  I'm red under the arm (but that is from bolus)...but so far so good....I'm not sure why your Drs are so freaked out about rads for you....open skin heals...cancer well...not so much.  And you may not even blister...

  • ftblmom3
    ftblmom3 Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    Rohanna-you can do this! I agree with TonLee, the first couple weeks-especially going into week 3 was very emotional for me, and it sucks because no one really understands!! but honestly, coming here and typing it all out and reading of others ADVENTURES though all of this, is what has honestly helped me alot. Also, i quit trying to be WonderWoman, even though everyone around me except for a few special people, thought Rads is no big deal. So just take care of YOU, everything else can wait. I HAD to go to work and Had to go to Rads, if i accomplished nothing else on some days, oh well, time to take care of me. you do the same.

    Char-i am with TonLee also on this one-my underarm is being radiated as well as whole breast, the skin now looks pretty grayish, and gets itchy, but so far my nipple has faired the worse in it all.

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited June 2011

    OH Rohanna ****HUGS**** - I feel your pain in more ways than you know...I lost my father 37 years ago to pancreatic cancer....I was down and crying all day yesterday.... I agree with both ladies above though... the first two weeks are very emotional... accept where you are and know with lots of creams (Xclair is my favorite) and love from us ladies - you will make it - REMEMBER - ONE STEP AT A TIME AND ONE DAY AT A TIME - WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER!!! I only have 3 weeks left but once you hit the halfway point it seems to get better.. Friday was my half way point.. and I do feel better... Love you Girl!!!!

    Char - I too am getting lymph nodes radiated - just a little tan/grey looking after 3 weeks. I'm having a little trouble with the muscles in my are but no lymphedema - they are watching me close... If I had a choice again, I would still do radiation.

  • ftblmom3
    ftblmom3 Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    ROHANNA- p.s. some of your posts on here actually have turned my crappy days around, because you always have something interesting and often funny to say!! Dont lost that! I need you!! LOL Laughing

  • GabbyCal
    GabbyCal Member Posts: 277
    edited June 2011

    chardon64 - In weighing the opinions of various doctors, I would follow the advice of my oncologists over that of my primary doctor. They're the experts who work with cancer patients all day every day while your primary only sees a small portion of cancer patients, and those with treatment SEs are more likely than those without to be consulting their primary during treatment.

    I think if you poll those us who have shared our radiation experiences on this thread, while we've had our ups and downs, everyone would agree that given the choice, they would do it again. Are you comfortable in your RO/MO? Are they at a cancer center with the resources to be using the latest technology and treatments? 

    rohanna - hang in there. I was very emotional during rads too, and it lingered after I finished. When there was a little confusion at the pharmacy when I was picking up (a totally non-cancer related) Rx, it brought me to tears. Most of the time, I felt like all my nerves were on the outside of my skin (figuratively/emotionally, not literally). I reminded myself that was my state for the duration. Like ftblmom3, I didn't ask myself to be superwoman, just follow the docs orders and get through it. And I did. And I'm OK.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited June 2011

    One down, 3 more to go!! WOOT WOOT!!  My underarm is still pretty red.  Actually that's the worst part so far....which kinda annoys me because it's from the bolus....they had to shape it under my arm to help keep it in place on the breast...I'm not "supposed" to be getting bolus there....it's just how it fit....and dochya know...it's the most painful part!

    Also, I must have a "please be rude to me today" sign on my head.  People have been rude and bossy.  (Not in the cancer center..)...  I hate that.

  • juliet62
    juliet62 Member Posts: 3,412
    edited June 2011

    woot woot tonlee, i still have 15  but i did win $2 today

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited June 2011

    i only have 3 more rads left but i feel like an emotionalwreck from all this cancer business!

    some days i feel strong, like i have beaten this disease and nothing can hurt me,

    then days like today i feel weak, defeated, and no one understands me.

    alot of people just say 'well you look great, and your alive, and living each day, why are you down? youre beating it!" and i just look at them like "you have no flippin idea what this is like inside my head everyday!"

    some call it depression, but i think it truly is a battle that only if you have been through it can you only then understand.

    i had a dream last night, actually a nightmare, that cancer got to my bones in my legs, and that i was in pain and couldn't walk. i woke up depressed and weepy today. i left my xm radio on in my car all weekend so my car battery was out, all i did was ask my dh to jump my car and he has to give me shit about leaving the thing on all weekend. why can't he just do what i ask him without the grievance? i just wanted to scream at him "i'm having a day! alright? can't you just do this without making me feel like shit? for once!"

    but i didn't cause i knew that wouldn't make anything any better. so, i'm just kind of keeping my distance from everyone today. having a " want to climb in a hole" day. and i know tomorrow will be better (plus i work tomorrow, so i will have that to keep my mind off things)

    thanks for listening to my rant, you ladies are the only ones who understand this! -Angel

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited June 2011

    Angel,

    I do know what you're talking about.  Even if all the cancer is gone, it's not over.  It's NEVER over. 

    Most people go through life and never brush up against death until the end.  If they do happen to get up close and personal, it is usually something they remember and talk about for the rest of their lives because that one instance was so traumatic/life changing/etc.

    At this point in our tx, we get daily, sometimes hourly, reminders of our mortality.  And it sucks. 

    I interviewed a psychotherapist once who talked about how powerful visualization can be.  How you can tell what is up front and center in your life by doing the following:

    Close your eyes.

    Think about your cancer, give it a form.  (I give it the Wal-Mart smiley face, minus the facial features and in its place a big "C").

    Where is it in your mind's eye?  Front and center?

    How big is it?

    (Answering these questions tells the therapist a lot about how big the issue/person is to you.  And most people say it (the problem, the person, etc) is front and center and big.  But for this, it's not that important, we KNOW cancer is front and center.)

    So the way to get some of your mojo back is to "minimize" it.  Sure it still wants your life, but you don't have to make it front and center, you don't have to honor it with that special center stage place in your consciousness. 

    So close your eyes, visualize it ...big, front/center, then mentally shrink it....and move it off to the side...do this every time it starts to take over your life....(this also works for people in your life that you find annoying ~just sayin :)

    Ok, it may sound corny, but it really has helped me keep things in perspective.  AND not to become one of those women who allows cancer to consume her life (some days harder than others!)

    I call it the Scarlett O'Hara approach...she was gonna think about it, but she survived today and thought about it tomorrow!  So she literally shrank the problem, tossed it to the side, and gave center stage to something she wanted/liked/needed to focus on...

    That's all I got.

  • slcst12
    slcst12 Member Posts: 161
    edited June 2011

    Angel:
    I totally get it...people try to talk me up quite a bit too, "you look great, you must feel so great now that chemo is done..."
    I'm like, 'Sure...except my skin is falling off"

    Anyway, I'm sorry about your car battery. That sucks.

    Question for the group

    For those of you who did boosts...was the positioning strange? Like-I had my CT scan for boost placement a few days ago and I'm *still* sore. I'm kind of half up on my side with a creepy wedge pillow and my arms up over my head. It's extremely uncomfortable mostly b/c my shoulder was like frozen there...and my hip was completely "ground" into this rock hard table. I know it seems like a small thing to complain about, but I'm not looking forward to boost (I have 5, starting July 1st) b/c of this.

  • InTwoPlaces
    InTwoPlaces Member Posts: 354
    edited June 2011

    Making the Happy Dance Tongue out I'm done...done!!

    I had 32 rads, including 5 boost and I have to say this was much, much easier than chemo. My nipple was very sore at the end, but then I had the boost on my underarm so the breast wasn't treated.

    Now on to Arimidex  for 5 years and Herceptin to the end of the year....

  • GabbyCal
    GabbyCal Member Posts: 277
    edited June 2011

    TonLee - You continue to amaze me. This visualization exercise makes so much sense. I will try it.

    Here's my current challenge though. Since my Dx in December, I've been obsessing about each step of the BC treatment process.  My irrational brain thinks that if I think about it all the time and think about what's going on to cut it out or zap it out and be just the "best patient ever", I will be able to control it and keep it from coming back or showing up in my bones. (Sometimes I think I feel it starting in my thigh bone.)

    So, I finished rads 5 days ago and one would think it's time to play Scarlett O'Hara or minimize the image and put it to the side. But irrational brain is telling me if I let down my guard, it will come back. Add to this that everyone in our lives thinks that when we're done with "active treatments", we're done. So, irrational brain also thinks that since no one else is thinking about it, I need to be doing double-duty to carry the worry weight of these slackers.

  • ftblmom3
    ftblmom3 Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    slcst12-i actually thought the boosts were easier than the whole breast (i did mine in the middle because the rest of my lovely breast wasn't fairing so well) but mine is on top closer to my underarm so i got to lay on a  more padded thing AND got a pillow!! LOL

    CONGRATS In Two Places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have 6 treatments left, but today RO says she thinks i should just do 4 this week, have a 3 day break and since i have two next week anyway, then i will have three. I just want to get done!!! My red swollen boob just does not like this radiation!!!

  • GabbyCal
    GabbyCal Member Posts: 277
    edited June 2011

    slcst12 - Clearly your boost area is different from mine. I was on my back and the boost area was almost in the middle of my chest so I got to just lay on my back with my hands crossed across my tummy. What I can share is that when they did my boosts, I didn't need to be in the exact same position the way I did for the whole breast.  No lining up with the tatoos and tugging on the sheet to get me just "so".

    For the boosts, the machine came in really close to the exact spot and they lined everything up using a little clear, flexible plastic template. The actual zap time was not as long as the whole breast zaps.

    If I were you and it was really uncomfortable I'd ask the techs about it next time you see them though.

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited June 2011

    Angel : I am also so tired of people saying how great I look... If only they all could be in my body for a day - maybe they would stop saying that!!!

    TonLee: thanks for the visualization exercise - my councelor didn't talk about doing that - I might mention that one to her!

    I hit a milestone today gals!! I went into rad treatment WITHOUT my nurse escort to talk me through the rads!!!! The techs just blared the Christian music and I focused on the music...did it myself today... The tendonitis in the arm is bad enough today the tech had to lift my arm into the mold and take it out for me after... but I did it.... I'm on the downhill run now!!! 15/28..We all can do this!!! 

  • carberry
    carberry Member Posts: 1,153
    edited June 2011

    I have had the week from hell sstarting on Sat with 2 deaths, one family and one a dear friends husband.  Then a dear friend who had a neck tumor removed two years ago has had a recurrence in his lung!   Young next door neighbor, distant friend, just diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer (dont know where else)  Can anything else happen?  Hard to deal with all the sadness and my own issues!  I HATE CANCER!!!  

    intwoplaces Congrats on finishing, happy happy dance for you.  I would just like to put the car away for a week and have a break from all Drs. appts.

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited June 2011

    Well I'm done today.  Skin is very dark but fortunately not painful.  All in all, pretty doable, though I find myself pretty tired.  Looking forward to some recovery time before starting tamoxifen, and making a decision about an oopherectomy sometime this year.  

    Thanks to EVERYONE for all the support.  This is a wonderful group of women, wish it were something a lot more fun than BC than brought us together.   

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited June 2011

    Grammie Esther~ yeah for you!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's a song that gets me through times like that too!  Laura Story - Blessings - You tube it with the lyrics if you haven't heard - it's my new theme song - I've had a few through this journey.

    Friends please know that you aren't the first to step into this shoes and we aren't unfortunately the last either.  Radiation fatigue for me was the worst - I told my friends that radiation fatigue was the inability to want to get out of bed in the morning.  Toward the end the fatigue was so strong I had a hard time caring about anything, crying for this to be over, and just knowing it wasn't ever going to be better - SusanH and so many others on these boards kept telling me I would feel better after rads - they were so right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited June 2011

    Gabby,

    since no one else is thinking about it, I need to be doing double-duty to carry the worry weight of these slackers.

    I just had to lol at that.....it is so true.  My Onc acts like he doesn't know me now (and I am still taking Herceptin!!)...he doesn't order blood tests (tells me to go see my primary Dr) and my RO sees me for the last time Thurs...not a single person or direction about who and when I see someone next.  They are all "hands off" now and tell me to see my primary...who I've never even met and can never get in to see.

    This is how I deal with the whole cancer issue.  I didn't do anything to get cancer.  I can't do anything to keep it from coming back, or spreading.  It is what it is, and all worrying does is rob me of the here and now. 

    I remember what it was like before I found the lump, when cancer was a foreign concept to my own health....and how I took that for granted, worrying over silly little physical flaws or whatever.  Now I can look back and see how much time I wasted on that stuff.....so, having learned that, I refuse to let what might happen rob the now.

    I don't want to have mets and look back to now and think...shesh!  All that worrying and it came anyway....I shoulda just enjoyed NED while I had it.

    Do I still worry about mets?  About all the scans and tests I haven't had?  YES!  But for me it comes down to an only occasionally type thing and locking it away, refusing to look/think about that TODAY, right this minute....I'll think about it tomorrow....and if I'm lucky....a lifetime full of tomorrows will come and go and I'll die without ever having to take it out of the box. 

    Breast Cancer isn't the worst thing that's ever happened in my life.  But I can clearly see those other things helped teach me to put things away and just live...unlike modern psycho-babble..I believe some things are never meant to see the light of day.....once "active" BC treatment is over, I don't plan on cracking the lid of the breast cancer box again until I am forced to do it (like follow-ups), and then it will be a contest to see how much of it I can keep contained until the lid is back firmly in place.

    That all probably sounds a little nutty....but it's worked a lifetime for me....and I'm not in the ranks of the "walking wounded."  That legion of humanity allowing their past/trauma to control their now, their future.  I recognize it, but minimize it.

    Ok....sorry.....hubby is out of town this week so I actually have two minutes to think...lol

    Congrats to Lisa and N2Places!!  WOO HOO!!

    Lisa, you may want to join our April May Tamox thread....I found the bottle o'tamox one too long and laborious to navigate....of course you might think it's easy...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    InTwoPlaces and LisaMomOfFour: CONGRATULATIONS! That's aweome!

    I'm 25/30...had the last of the whole breast sessions today!  For the boosts they put an attachment on the machine that comes very close to me with an insert custom made for me that makes the beam the shape of my tumor cavity. They will be shooting directly into the scar into the outer side of my boob (had needle localization; looks like they're going in where the needle was to me) focusing on an area about a 1.5 inches around.

    I asked the doc how long it would take to heal. He said for what I'm being given, I should start to feel better two weeks after it's over with the red turning to tan over 3 weeks and the tan lasting 3 months or so. I asked why some get worse afterwards and he said that can happen but it's usually an issue with people receiving higher doses.

    I can't wait for this to be over! I'm done a week from today and there will be liquor afterwards! lol

  • sundermom
    sundermom Member Posts: 463
    edited June 2011

    chardon - I had a BMX in December and and SNB that turned up two + nodes.  I did 8 rounds of dose dense chemo AC followed by Taxol and am now in the midst of radiation.  I will be completing 28 regular treatments (whole breast, supraclavicle and axillary nodes) and then 8 boosts to the MX scar line.  I am 19 treatments in and I have to say I doing pretty well.  I apply 100% aloe vera gel several times a day.  I am slightly tender in the arm pit area, but no blisters, peeling or skin discoloration. I think every women's body responds to each tx differently.  There was a new study released last week about the benefits of node radiation that may help you in making your decision. 

    Tammy 

  • GabbyCal
    GabbyCal Member Posts: 277
    edited June 2011

    TonLee - Thank you for your sage advice. When you turn it around and think about it from the perspective of how would I feel if in the end I have a recurrence or mets and all the psychic energy my irrational brain poured into guarding me was for naught, it makes way way more sense to lock the worry away and enjoy each day I have.

    tinaj - Congratulations on starting the "one-hand countdown".  You should start to see the non-boost skin start to calm down now.

    GmaFoley - Good work flying solo today!  

    LisaMomofFour and InTwoPlaces - CONGRATULATIONS!!!  Be sure to celebrate.

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