February 2011 chemo pals
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haha I love that movie! And the fact that she rammed her car into theirs. Although, I probably would never do it!
I hate comments like.."that went by really fast, don't you think?"- um, no I don't think
"arn't you relieved it's all over with?"- it's not all over with
"omg, it's your last one, arn't you excited?" -you go through it and let me know when you feel the excitement, even if it is the last one
If there is one thing that I've learned through all of this, it's that people really just want someone to listen to them. No false reassurances...just a willing listener.
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Or this one that has really been getting to me lately...
"is your hair growing back yet? OMG, I see some growing!"
Me- "that's not new hair, not all of it fell out."
"No, I reallllly see it. Don't you see it?"
Me- "yes, I see it, but it's not new hair, it's old hair...oh, nevermind."
haha- sometimes I feel like I'm just wasting my breath.
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Melanie, I'm starting to get questionable comments from people now that my chemo is done like, "well, it seems like the worst is over". They are wanting me to be back to "normal." News for them: I have a new normal. Guess I will have to learn how to respond to their comments.
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Melanie & Dragonfly,
My eye Dr put me on an eyedrop called FML for my taxotears. The taxotere can actually cause your tear ducts to atrophy/scar. The tears are actually a response to dry eyes of all things. My eyes are just moist now. I don't have the tears running down my face anymore.
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Yall are so on target w/ the post chemo comments.
dragonfly- I love kathy bates- and laughed myself silly thinking of that scene again.
melanieann- your comments are so true- i have heard lots of that too. what can you say? NO I am not the same, never will be. Yes I am happy to be alive and done, but my body still feels like a post-war victim (and it is). Not to mention these tissue expanders....the iron bra as they say.
Our new normal is not the normal we all left behind months ago. And my body still feels like it was hit by a truck. Took a vacation day today, and can not walk far at all w/o getting leg cramps or feeling like just sitting down. WHEW!
Glad chemo is behind me. I only have one eye watering from taxotere- does anyone else have just one? It's so weird...
Better days ahead for us all.
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Happy birthday Melanie!!!
I am totally with everyone on the comments, I got this one today ( and I know people mean well ) but .... " so, you have all your energy back now?" um no, I'm just 3 weeks out of chemo, I'm still exhauated. I also got alot of " that went by do fast, it wasn't so bad, no? Um YES, IT WAS BAD-IT WAS HORRIBLE! and maybe the best one, but most embarrassing happened at work last week and I'm blaming the combination of babydoll dress + steroid pudge on this one. " oh, ( lady rubs belly) what are you having?" !!!!!!!!! I should have replied CHEMO! And walked away but instead i tactfully told her about my bc and treatment etc.. She's a sweetheart and I'm sure she will never ask another women ever that question. So, needless to say I am very interested in the losing weight thread and I will go get a pedometer tmrw.
I also have the super watery eyes, my feet are achy on and off and I still am having pretty hot hot flashes at night. I'm not happy some others have the same but it's a bit comforting because I wasn't sure if it was normal or not to still be feeling SE.
My surgery has been booked for July 4th! The day I will be independent of what's left of my tumor.
I do hope everyone is doing well and beginning to see the light. I think of you all and can't wait until we're all posting one year from now!
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I am also having intense hot flashes...whew! I'm hoping to get a small reprieve from them before Tamoxifen.
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You guys are cracking me up today! Seems like the cranky post-chemo phase has hit! You guys still in the throes of chemo can just be cranky with us!
MamaV - I am not going to say only 3 more to you, but I will say that after #4 you will cheer up a little because the you can finally visualize the end of the process. I think that was pretty universal to everyone who did 6, #4 was a definitive turning point. You can do this!
LisaGH - right eye waters more and twitches more, so apparently I not only have a dominant and larger right hand, I have a dominant eye. What is up with that?
Just called my onc office because my diuretic has run out with no refills but I have cankles, every shoe I own leaves an imprint on my feet, I look pregnant (hello Ruffolo, nobody asks me cause I am ancient!) and my node arm hurts 24/7. They just called back with a refill - nice.
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It's been a week since my last chemo and I'm still feeling a bit crappy but I'm smiling through it because I'm sooo happy to be done. At times it seemed never ending and I forgot what it felt like to be healthy. I have surgery scheduled for end of July. I will have the traitorous appendage removed, then radiation, then I'll have the good boob removed whenever I can get reconstruction. My gene testing came back "variant" which to me means NOT negative so i feel a lot better just getting them both taken off especially since this is my second BC and I want to reduce my chances of a third as much as possible. Now I find myself stressing about other body parts. I am desperate to get a colonoscopy even though I had one 3 years ago! I think I'll calm down once I get that done. In the meantime, I plan to have a blast this summer, minor, ahem, surgery notwithstanding. Feb gals, we're all almost done and our GI Janes are just around the corner!
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Add me to the hot flash list - holy cow sweating under a wig is a whole new type of fun! Ha ha!
Special k thanks! 3 definitely sounds better than 16. It's been a long haul since January. I never thought I'd get there but that light at the end of the chemo tunnel is at least turned on!
And the comments - here's one from a real jackwagon at work - "so when you are done in three weeks we will get to see the real you again?" (meaning without wig, fake eyelashes and eyebrows). Yeah sure idiot it'll all come instantly back the day right after the last chemo! I wish! It's gonna take years for my hair to be back to it's prechemo length! People are just ignorant! -
It really is interesting how our thoughts and situations are so similar as far as people making comments, what's going through our heads, etc. I guess it means that people just dont' know what to say so these type of comments just come flying out. I how wonder if I have said anything that stupid to my friends in the past who were dealing with cancer. I hope not!
Well today I felt like the power of positive thinking paid off so I wanted to share! I had my first consult with the Rad Onc today. I knew it was 33 sessions but I also knew I wanted to go on a vacation and the only week we could possibly go is the first week in August due to my kids' schedules. I remember reading somewhere that there is such as thing as an accelerated radiation schedule that cuts the time almost in half. I don't exactly know if it's a double dose or what but I decided to bring it up today. The nurse who met with us first was not optimistic and said it was rarely done. But when the Dr came in, he told me I was a fit for that and the research has shown the outcome is the same as the 6 1/2 week treatment. So unless something surprising comes back on my pre-tests, then I am going to have 20 sessions instead of 33, which means vacation can happen! I would be curious to know if anyone else has heard of this reduced radiation schedule. I certainly don't want to sacrifice my health for a few days of vacation, but if they feel there is no risk at all, I would like to go that route.
I will start the weight loss thread and post the name as soon as I get it set up.
Alison
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Great news Alison! I will make inquiries when the time comes.
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Allison, yes, I have heard of less rads by doubling up on intensity of beam or something. And I also plan to ask my doc about it, altho I know him, he'll stick to the long haul. I suppose I'll get just as used to it as we all have this chemo. My A/C man was telling me just yesterday some advice about cancer treatments and rads, it just went in one ear and out the other, I was too tired to hear him.
Everyone, I am so glad I have permission now to SCREAM! Ohhhh, hurting a lot, fed up, feet look all beat up and swollen. MamaV, have we really only got three left? I cannot do figures. My nurse told me yesterday that a lot of the girls on Taxol say the last few are the hardest, that the drug is cumulative, so I felt better about it. I seem to have to justify to people around me how come I feel like hell. Broke my heart when brother said he was coming down to visit folks, and I won't be able to make it becuz he's coming on my worst days, just no way. I knew he was coming, he knows my situation, but still I cried.
I have been describing my chemo experience to others as "shattering." Yup, it's one thing to hurt a while from a busted bone or bad cut, it's another animal with chemo. I'd write a song about it, like the old song a friend of mine used to sing, "Cocaine, cocaine," a sad ballad, but chemo isn't song material at all. I've wanted to come on here and complain, but until today, everyone here was quietly putting up with everything. Thank you everyone for saying what I was thinking. It's bad when you can't really have a heart to heart and splain how tiring all this is, all-consuming, painful, I can't walk on my feet sometimes, and then the idea of will I make it, it's one long horror show, to be sure. I wonder if other disease are like this one? I suppose diff aspects of diff diseases are. I have a whole new appreciation for the bedridden, folks with Parkinson's or Lou Gehrig's. But I have made up my mind that I shall not think of this as a past or future a single time once I leave this little world of solitary in a cell with a dirt floor, torture coming whenever the enemy chooses.
But I do have my lighter moments, after all I'm in a comfortable home with my dogs and husband, and since he has been thru this 20 years ago and since he shuffles around in pain from a goofed-up back like mine for years, we joke around a lot about our "condition." I also know there is an end, and even if I just buy two years, hey, I'm gonna take it and be happy for what I have in the now. I love life more now than at any other time, I don't even have to feel good to appreciate it. Knowing I am alive amongst this beautiful world, and once this thorn in my side is gone, it'll be all good.
I hear some find it hard to return to normal when it all stops, so I'll give it a few weeks for the last tests, the shift in schedule, but that's it. I wont' look back and I won't fear the future. I love Dr. King Jr.'s last public words, he was in a church, the last part drowned in cheers, "But tonight, I'm not afraid of anything, I'm not fearin' nobody, for mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord." Love to all of you, times three, four, five... GG
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love you GG - your post made me cry
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dogeyed - yes ONLY 3! I'm trying to be positive about that, but still 3. Ug! And then radiation!
Glad we all have each other to laugh a little, cry a lot, and support even more!
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Altho my chemo was different than yours and I had less treatments to deal with, dogeyed & MamaV, I was also told my chemo would have a cummulative affect and it would get harder. I would like to share that my actual experience was that with the next to the last one (the 'penultimate') I found myself more upbeat mentally because I knew I only had one more left. It really, really helped me to know I was so close. Then the final one found me so relieved. I still dealt with the SEs (and it's only been two weeks today since then) but I felt some psychological release knowing that they were done. It's almost like I couldn't believe it, but it was true.
I will keep you both on my special prayers list! God bless.
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divine - totally true, and my immediate SE's on #6 were much milder. The need to gear up for the next is gone and it is much more relaxed. Some of the other issues for me, like blood counts, swelling are problematic. Had a CBC today - not good. Worse than last week, but I am still happy!
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Thanks, all! I'm so glad to be finished. I'm still in bed with this round, though. Hopefully tomorrow I'll start moving around. I've got to go sit through a class next Tuesday and Wednesday - I just hope my local colleagues aren't going to be there because I just don't feel like talking about cancer. I just want to get the class done and go home.
Some funny posts! My sister, who has been through TAC and surgery, radiation - almost five years ago - has been helping me so much. She definitely understands - so we can joke about all the silly and sometimes downright stupid things people sayA
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I had radiation 17 years ago and I remember that other than a tiny bit of fatigue every now and then, it was not a horrible experience at all. I imagine that treatments have advanced since then so I am hoping that all of you who move on to rads next will find it a breeze compared to chemo.
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A great article about those comments. Things to say and things NOT to say. Copy and paste:
I got a great one recently regarding my surgery: "Did you get the tummy tuck? Oh, if I just had the money to get one of those." She just meant getting a tummy tuck, not the mastectomy, chemo and all the other shit that goes with it. Least of all the breast cancer!
And hot flashes? Holy sweaty sheets, cowgrrrls! I was having mild ones pre-chemo, but sometimes I think my head will burst into flames! And speaking of head in flames, my hair's starting to fall out again. Thank you Taxol. I feel like Charlie Brown's Christmas tree with the needles tinkling to the ground.
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charlottesmama - holy hot flashes here too! Worse with Taxol and yup - hair and lashes/brows started to come back after A/C and then fell out again with Taxol. Not fair.
3 more Taxols for me and then I'm done with this phase of the nightmare!
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Speaking of eyebrows/eyelashes...how is everyone doing with those?
I have had very, very thick, black eyebrows my entire life. I have next to no eyebrows now. There is a shadow that I can follow with powder so I don't look so strange. I can honestly say that I really miss my eyebrows. I can cover my hairloss with wgis/scarves but the eyebrows are out there 24/7.
Lashes are sparse with many gaps. I don't really notice unless I try to wear mascara.
I'm 9 days past TCH #6 and doing ok. Exhausted and crabby. My kids are home for the summer and keep me hoppin', It's wearing me really thin. I'm so used to sleeping when I'm tired. I came unglued on them today. I seriously just needed 10 minutes without someone needing something from me! Of course, then I just felt guilty about yelling at them.
I had an onteresting conversation with the RO that has kept me thinking all week. I know that in the big scheme, it doesn't matter. But he said that he would have considered me node negative. That would make me Stage I and I somehow feel better about Stage I than Stage IIa.
His reasoning was interesting and my MO mentioned to to me before I started chemo...First, I found it interesting that the met in my node wasn't found in either of my two SN. It was found in another node that was removed. The met was 3.0mm. NCCN says that anything over 2.0mm in considered node positive.
However, I was told that generally, nodes measure 1.0cm - 2.0cm. Mine were 4.0+cm. The one that had the cancer was 5.7cm. I only had 8 total nodes in levels one and two.
So, based upon the size of my node (5.7cm) and the size of the cancer in it (3.0mm) - both my MO and my RO said that they would have considered me node negative. Hmmm...I like the sounds of that, but I was above the NCCN cut off for micromets. Both both of them still call me micromets.
I don't know what to make of that. And I'm not sure what I want you guys to say about it...lol...
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Pejkug - I feel the same way about the brows and lashes. I had dark lashes and very dark thick brows and now have nothing. Much harder to deal with for me too.
Interesting what you say about micromets and node negative. My cancer was only 1.7 cm which is still stage 1 but surgeon took .3 cm more to make sure she had clean margins. Nodes came back negative in SN biopsy but they found a micromet in the two nodes closest to the breast after dissecting them into tiny tiny pieces. Next 5 nodes were clear. So my MO said some docs would consider me stage 1 and some stage 2. He decided to treat like stage 2 and throw everything that he could at me to reduce recurrance chance even more.
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Well, here goes the hair again. I keep hearing Annie Lennox singing "Here goes the hair again...." Then I hear "I'm gonna wash that hair right offa my head!" Sheesh. Got the hot burning itchy scalp right now, so I know tomorrow's shampoo will mean bye-bye again and a trip to the salon for a buzz. The gotta find a cool hat for the summer.
Had Taxol #2 yesterday, and so far I'm feeling OK. I expect the pain to kick in tomorrow, but doc said to start the serious pain meds sooner and don't be shy about dosage. OK! Oxycontin, here I come! SO far no tingling in finger/toes. I'm taking B complex for that, and colace for the you-know-what. Hope I'm better prepared this time.
Sweet dreams everyone!
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Well, the Taxol pain has started. With any luck and plenty of pain meds, it won't be as bad as last time. I have a morning appointment with PS though.
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Michelle, sorry to hear about the second round of hair loss. My eyebrows and eyelashes fell out after first taxol, as well as some of the strands of hair that AC didn't take. However, eyelashes and brows started coming in after third taxol and I am starting to get the peach fuzz on my head one week after my fourth and final taxol. So hopefully it will start coming back in as quickly as it fell out. The meds are a blessing - why suffer when you don't have to.
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I ditto Dogbiskit on the pain meds. It's Monday and my side effects are worse today than Sunday's were, usually Sun is the worst. But thank heavens I have my regular pain pills for my back injury and then my special stuff for chemo. I usually take my regular pills first thing out of bed, and then several hours later, if I still feel bad, I then take my chemo pills, which they stay for maybe four days. Well, I only lasted 30 mins today, right after breakfast I added a whole pain pill (usually just half). Couldn't bear it another moment, my hands and arms are the worst this time.
I think hands are bad becuz a few days ago I got to fooling with an overhead oak tree branch bothering me, sure looked dead, broke it off, but then the sinewy bark wouldn't let go. Explains why oaks last so long, I guess. So, I twisted it around and around, even singing church music whilst doing this, "Will the circle...be unbroken, by and by, Lord, by and by..." until finally the branch came loose, which the effort banged-up, strained-up and even tore one spot in my hands. I KNEW I should have gotten the loppers, misplaced persistence. Anyhow, I put some Neosporin on the skin-rip place, lotion all over, and so no lasting damage, except they're more painful this time. The red swelling goes up past my elbows, but it has been for the last several Taxols, goes down as the chemo leaves the body.
Ummmm, looks like I could say something positive here. Michelle, I'm sorry you are losing your hair a second time to "prickly head syndrome," I guess you can call it, so annoying, brother bought me a satin pillowcase becuz he remembered how his son had that ten years ago. Pekjug, lashes gone, eyes water, but I still have my light eyebrows, color is partly becuz I'm dark blonde with gray tint, so never could see them nohow, altho I would shadow brush or pencil them in with light brown when I did eyeliner.
I had planned to "exercise" by walking down to the gazebo yesterday, and I simply could not make myself go out the door to do it. And definitely today will not. So, can't be consistent whilst on chemo, but at least I've been trying to move around more since first of June, has helped my stamina and sleep better. I can't help but think since I was in bad shape when cancer started, I've been more weepy about this whole thing. On the lymph node issue here, they never did do mine, my surgery is after chemo, they were enlarged in the pictures, doc said he would take a few. But original CT scans and bone scan showed no spread (SO lucky). Thanks again, ladies, for being here, and how I miss our Fuzzy Lemon girl, I vaguely recall it's her computers needed repair. Until next time, GG
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Hi ladies, it's been almost 3 weeks since my last chemo. I continue to lose eyelashes and eyebrows, they're almost completely gone. I can pretty much say that my face is an empty canvas...lol My energy is not bad, I have days that are pretty good and then all of a sudden I feel exhausted. My fingers are still feeling numb. No hair growth yet. I check each day and get disappointed that in almost 3 weeks I have some white stubble but nothing really shows. Yes, menapause at 34 sucks. I have hotflashes and I often laugh at myself. I see my friends are fine and I'm sweating next to them. My mood is fine most of the time, I have a bad day about once a week. Chemo made me to feel like I was in prison now I don't like to sit at home. No matter how tired I want to be out.
I have dry eyes still and my nose still keeps on running. My onc prescribed calcium and vitmain d for 3 month. My appetite is not that good but I don't mind, I just don't want to gain any weight. I have lost about 24lbs since starting chemo. I do try to stay away from junk food and sweets (my favorite). I walk as much as I can.
I've heard a lot of the ignorant comments too. People feel you should be fine as soon as chemo is done. I feel frustrated when people don't listen when I explain that it'll take many months to recover from chemo. Some people have backed off. 1 guy asked me "does chemo affect my mood?" No, you idiot it makes my mood happy. I wanted to kill him...lol He was basically saying that I was being moody. He hasn't called or come to visit me since that conversation.
My mastectomy arm is still numb after 5 months. I'm not back to normal but I'm happy to be done with chemo. I know counting each chemo is not easy but I do pray for you girls not to have horrible SE and that you'll finish soon. The end of chemo is here and we're kicking bc to the curb. Love you girls. Sending you lots of cyber hugs.
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Bravehart - it's that damn taxol that takes your lashes and brows. I am so tired of looking like a cancer patient with no lashes and brows. Mine were gone after 4th weekly Taxol. I have 3 left including this Thursday and expect they'll take some time to come back. I hate that more than the need for a wig!
I am the queen of hot flashes! They are the worst in the evening and of course - at night. Not loving chemopause at all!
Ignorant comment for the day - went to work and one of the owners said hello, how are you? I said, ok, not feeling well today. He said, must be the weather! (It was raining) I said no, it's the chemo! IDIOT!
Hugs to all - my chemo countdown has actually begun!
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Hi all...well it's almost 5 weeks since last dose of chemo..(taxotere) and wanted to check in with everyone and see how you were all doing. I now have one eyelash on each eyelid which makes me laugh..how bizarre..why is that last one hanging on? I have some peach fuzz on my head finally. I'm too fair to actually see anything but I can FEEL it! Yippee! Eyebrows are still there but very thin.
The downer is that the leg weakness has been bad since the last chemo..could hardly make it from room to room and taste buds made everything taste like metallic sawdust. I have noticed a slight improvement in taste this past few days and I can make it a little further on the legs before I have to sit. I have to use a cane to go out and need a wheelchair to get to my radiation as it is such a long walk from the front door of the Cancer Centre. Lymphedema started 2 weeks back. ( surgery was last November) I still have neuropathy in both feet and ankles and lower legs swell horribly. I have 6 of 33 radiation treatments done but so far rads isn't too bad.
So..the bottom line is..if anyone says to me that now that chemo is done I should be feeling well I may have to hurt them...*L* But yes, I am very glad chemo is behind me.
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