E-Cadherin

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I have believe it or not, just seen my pathology report for the 1st time, even though I had cancer almost 5 years ago.

 I just recently moved to another country, my new Oncologist asked me for my pathology report. Up until now, I had seen something which I thought was the pathology report, but wasn't.

 I was noticing that I show positive for something called E-Cadherin, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what that means?  I know that I am ER/PR negative, HER2 Very positive, but didn't ever see the E-Cadherin thing before.

Thanks

Shelley

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  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited June 2011

    E-cadherin is a protein that sits on the surface of certain types of cells, both normal and cancer.  My understanding is that testing for it is primarily used to confirm a diagnosis of ductal vs lobular cancer...especially when there's some confusion as to what type the cancer is. IDC is almost always (something like 99%) E-cadherin positive and ILC is almost always E-cadherin negative. So, in having tumor cells that are E-cadherin positive, it just serves to confirm the pathologist's diagnosis of a ductal cancer. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Shelloz, thanks for asking the question, I had been putting aside research on this issue, as I too am E-Cadherin positive.  Thanks MarieKelly for putting me on the trail.  From what I read though it appears to be a marker for ILC as opposed to IDC.

    Is it a good thing to be E-C pos or is it not?  Don't know exactly what they mean when they say it tests "positive"

    "E-cadherin is the prototype of the large cadherin superfamily and is renowned for its potent malignancy suppressing activity."

    http://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/1/6/a003129.abstract

    "In breast cancer, E-cadherin is found mutated or otherwise functionally silenced in invasive lobular carcinoma (ILC), which accounts for 10-15% of all breast cancers.

    Combined inactivation of E-cadherin and p53 induced lactation-independent development of invasive and metastatic mammary carcinomas, which showed strong resemblance to human pleomorphic ILC.

    Our results confirm that loss of E-cadherin contributes to both mammary tumor initiation and metastasis, and establish a preclinical mouse model of human ILC that can be used for the development of novel intervention strategies to treat invasive breast cancer"

    http://dmm.biologists.org/content/4/3/347.abstract

  • shelloz1
    shelloz1 Member Posts: 405
    edited June 2011

    Hi Luan,

    I must admit I'm really confused what all this means?

    Shelley

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited June 2011

    I don't know all the scientific jargon, Shelley, but I believe they test for E-Cadherin to determine whether you have ILC or IDC. If you're positive, you have IDC; if you're negative, ILC. My report shows negative.

    Maybe oversimplified, but that's how I've always understood it. Hope that helps!

    Jenny

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Shelley, I've not read very attentively, will have to come back to you, ok....

    Essentially, the E-Cadherin is a tumor marker like the PR or ER (you are negative for both) that contributes to breast cancer developing.  If you are posisitve it means that your tumour has that marker.  For me, I'm ER and PR and E-Cadherin positive meaning that all those factors contributed to my developing my breast cancer tumour.  My path report says my tumour is invasive ductal but with invasive lobular features.  The E-Cadherin positive makes my tumour lobular in addition to being ductal.

    "E-cadherin contributes to both mammary tumor initiation and metastasis, and establishes a preclinical mouse model of human ILC"

    After reading Jenny's post, now I am confused too Frown

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited June 2011

    This was in my path report:

    "Both (tumors) with ’lobular growth pattern’, but E-cadherin positiveness, meaning ductal type."

     I have understood that to mean that the "E-cadherin-ness" was what meant it was ductal.....

     

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited June 2011

    This was in my path report:

    "Both (tumors) with ’lobular growth pattern’, but E-cadherin positiveness, meaning ductal type."

     I have understood that to mean that the "E-cadherin-ness" was what meant it was ductal.....

     Edited for some weird formatting stuff...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE ?

    Looooollllllllllllll

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited June 2011

    Luan- I think you'll see that the beginning of the quote you used got cut off. It is:

    Our results confirm that loss of E-cadherin contributes to both mammary tumor initiation and metastasis, and establish a preclinical mouse model of human ILC 

    I am certainly not a doctor, but I'm thinking that supports the E-cadherin positive= IDC, E-caherin negative= ILC. What do you all think? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Krcll, I don't know anymore, here's how I read the quote:

    One would be positive for loss of E-cadherin which contributes to tumor initiation and establishes ILC

    ?????

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited June 2011

    Luan, I see that it could be read that way. We do need a doctor or scientist to clear this up :-)

  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited June 2011

    E-cadherin is a protein that helps cells stick to each other so it's loss (being negative) is what makes the growth pattern of ILC different from IDC...ILC grows in a linear pattern while IDC tends to grow in a clumping kind of pattern.

    Having a tumor test negative for E-cadherin means that there is no reaction to the test ("loss of E-cadherin") and almost all ILC is E-cadherin negative and will have no reaction when the stain is applied. So if a pathologist is having a hard time distinguishing between ILC and IDC, the E-cadherin test will help him/her make the decision as to which type it is.  If the tumor is E-cadherin negative then the diagnosis is ILC, a lobular cancer. If the tumor is E-cadherin positive then the diagnosis is IDC, a ductal cancer.  There are some exceptions, but generally this test is the tie-breaker if there's some confusion as to the diagnosis and otherwise just serves to support the diagnosis of either one. Negative means ILC. Positive means IDC.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    MarieKelly, thank u for coming to our rescue !!! Guess, i had it backwards ;) Am real glad that my E-Cadherin is still kicking !!

  • shelloz1
    shelloz1 Member Posts: 405
    edited June 2011

    Ok now I understand, but what worries me is the constent use here of the word metastis, what does it mean in regards to that?

    Shelley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011
    Shelley, if anything, you're being positive for E-Cadherin like me will protect you as it is a tumor suppressor gene.  Don't worry about metastases if you are feeling fine now.  I see you've been out for many years now, good going, keep it up Wink
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Sherri, ok....now, I'm back to square one....my first impression was that if I was pos for E-Cad as for ER and PR that it was not a good thing.  If I had tested neg for loss of E-Cad, like you, that would have been a good thing Yell

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Ok, one part of the puzzle, looks like one would want to increase their E-Cadherin expression

    "The foods below have been shown to increase E-cadherin expression while reducing the risk of breast cancer:

    Bell peppers

    Bok choy

    Celery

    Edamame

    Garlic

    Parsley

    Tofu

    Turmeric

    On the other hand, an algal toxin that can accumulate in shellfish has been shown to cause the selective disruption of E-cadherin in breast cancer cells"

    http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/expression-of-e-cadherin-influences-prognosis-of-triple-negative-breast-cancer

    EDITED TO ADD:  you ladies really impress me, just found confirmation of what you have been telling us all along.  Many thanks !!

    "E-cadherin positivity clearly favors ductal differentiation in ambiguous cases"

    http://www.najms.org/resources/PDF+227-233+E-Cadherin+as+a+diagnostic+biomarker+in+breast+cancer.pdf

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2011

    Luan, So maybe that explaines why we have been told to include Tumeric in our diets as well as many of the other things. Tofu I would wonder about in BC if it is estrogen driven.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011
    Kira, so do I sweetie, it seems that one just cannot win at this Undecided

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