PARP Clinical Trial anyone? or exp w CISPLATIN? HELP!!

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  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    Spark, that sounds horrible what you had to go through. I do hope the 3rd one is easier for you, they better give you some better pre meds! Has your hearing returned to normal? Sending hugs from seattle.

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    I'm so sorry you've had such a rough time Spark! It must be even harder to do it not knowing if it is even worth it :(. I hope you have an easier time next dose. I'm actually no longer eligible for the clinical study - I found another positive supraclavicular node. I'm starting Xeloda and Ixempra in a few weeks, hopefully with Avastin. I'm having a CT scan this week to check my lungs and liver, so that may once again change if something shows up. Hugs to you!

  • NannaBaby
    NannaBaby Member Posts: 510
    edited June 2011

    Wow! SPARK! Sounds like you went thru hell!  I know Cisplatin really made me feel sick! I did 4 rounds and that's it! I thought I had to do 6, but nope! YAY!

    Cisplatin would make me feel nauseous for a whole week.  And it seemed like each round got worse. I hope you are put on some good meds for next round!  I was taking Emend, Zofran, Stemetil AND Decadron! And I still felt nausated sometimes!

    I never lost any hair :) None that I can notice anyways...

  • spark
    spark Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2011

    bkj66: hearing will probably never return to normal, hard in big crowds, but its better than it was was ater the first round, there was some slight improvement. i am getting my parp right now as i type this.

    i am done with the cisplatin. wed was round 3 of 4 and i told them that's all i can physically, emotionally, and financially do (taking time off work, flying to colorado from san francisco). so i start the maintenance phase of 24 weekly parp infusions in about 3-4 weeks. 

    suze35: omg, don't you hate how things change moment to moment like that? so hard to plan our lives. please keep us posted on your ct scan. how are you feeling?

    nannababy: you are so lucky you didn't lose your hair!!  why did you only do 4 of 6??

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    if I take taxol/carbo befroe surgery and there is residual disease after surgery, can I do cisplatin? I guess I need to ask my doc...

  • dlcw
    dlcw Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2011

    Hi all - just checking in after a bit of time off the internet...completed the Carb/Gem/PARP trial and had my surgery in early May.  2 cm of tumor left alive and 3 of 18 nodes positive after the trial so it wasn't a great success for me.  Also a bit of a surprise in the pathology in that I am 30% ER+ and did not know that before the trial.  My oncologist said she would not have expected a complete response with the ER+ disease in there (and I wouldn't have been eligible for the trial had that been ID'd in the initial biopsies).  So, on to AC/T or maybe T/AC in a week. Then tamoxifen and radiation...hope to be done with treatment by the end of this year.

    spark - so sorry to hear of the nightmare of side effects you had to deal with.  Glad you are on to maintenance soon.  I had only minimal effects from my parp-only days (trial was all 3 on Day 1 and 8, parp only on Day 4 and 11).  I sometimes go hot flashes during the infusions, but nausea and other SE's were really minimal.  Hope you have the same or less!

    Suze35 -  I am so hoping that you get a clear scan.  Will they do additional radiation to the new nodes or just go after them with the drugs?  Will be keeping you in my thoughts and hoping for good news.

    dlcw

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    spark - thanks for your well wishes.  My case has been constantly changing, it does suck!  And I still have one more variable left to go, the CT scan.  But at least I've had time to roll with the punches, as much as one can in this situation.  I hope all goes well with your Parp infustions!

    bkj66 - You can do Cisplatin as it is slightly different from Carboplatin (an earlier platin).  However, my doctor explained to me that in my case - progression while on Taxol/Carbo, it is likely Cisplatin would be ineffective as clearly the platin drugs didn't work the first time.  I'm not sure if that is the case with you as you did not actually have progression, so definitely check with your doctor.  And if I progress to Stage IV, Cisplatin would not be off the table, just in case...

    dlcw - I am glad to hear from you, I know how hard the news of your pathology hit you Frown.  It sounds like your doctors have a good plan, I'm just sorry it means more chemo for you.  I am going to do both rads and chemo.  My RO has added the new node to my fields and will be hitting it hard after I am done with the other fields, and at the same time, I am starting Xeloda with Avastin on June 20th, and adding in Ixempra on June 27th.  At least, that is the plan as long as my CT scan is clear. 

  • Marijana
    Marijana Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2011

    I have clinical and pathological inflammatory breast cancer. Neoadjuvant therapy (TAC 6X, every 2 weeks), mastectomy followed by radiotherapy. 10 positive lymph nodes, including the top, cancer located diffusely in the breast, especially lymp vascular. MAI 40 triple negative, partial response chemotherapy. ypT4N3.  

    Now I receive radiotherapy 60 Gy in 30 treatment days, no additional therapy, because I'm triple negative. I'm concerned and do see the need for additional treatment, given the amount of disease found after mastectomy and the disease still remains (in the skin around the scar). According to the doctor, there is no scientific basis for complementary treatment.

    What is your opinion? We go now to another hospital for their advice,

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    Marijana - we have similar stats, although I didn't have IBC. I do still have one supraclavicular node that we are treating. My post surgery stage was very close to yours. I am doing more chemo in a few weeks. I would have liked to put off rads for more chemo, but we ultimately decided to do it afterwards. On a positive note, it has been 5 months since I've had any effective chemo, and I'm still clear beyond local disease, and there was some chemo effect in my tumors and nodes. But my doctor doesn't want me waiting any longer.



    Truthfully, there is no clinical evidence that more chemo helps. But there are many clinical studies that are looking at this very issue, lots of disease after surgery. I would definitely recommend a second opinion, and investigate clinical trials.

  • Marijana
    Marijana Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2011

    Thanks Suze35, in Amsterdam (Netherlands), I get maybe cisplatin. Like everyone here I'm afraid it goes wrong. Since i was 14, I'm with my husband and we have three kids. I will not lose them.

  • Marijana
    Marijana Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2011

    I wish you strength with the chemo you are going to get. Hope for you it's not very heavy and the cancer never comes back again.  

  • Marijana
    Marijana Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2011

    @Suze35

    I had also progression while on chemo, after the fifth cycle, my breast was red, purple and swollen again. I had a lot of pain. According to the doctor cancer does not hurt (crazy doctor). They found no tumor with me, but the cancer was everywhere. In groups (nests) said they and in large quantities.

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    Thank you Marijana.  Did your doctor offer to give you Cisplatin?  I know that is one of the drugs they are using adjuvantly if you still have disease left.  I personally did not respond to the platin family of drugs, but it is showing success in other cases.

    Something you can do for yourself that has shown to have an impact on recurrence is diet and exercise.  A very low-fat diet (20% of your caloric intake) along with 30-60 minutes of aerobic exercise 5 days/week has shown to reduce recurrance in TNs up to 42%.  The advantage was so significant they are doing larger clinical studies on it.  The theory is that TN is related to blood sugar fluctuations, and the diet/exercise help control that.

    Also, be sure to take your Vitamin D3!

    I know what you mean about fighting for your family - I have three kids myself, and will not stop trying.  I have been lucky so far, but I am also hoping this next round of chemo does the trick and keeps me NED for a long time.

    Best wishes to you!

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    Marijana - talk to your doctors and see if you are eligible maybe for this trial:

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00516724?term=breast+cancer+netherlands&recr=Open&rank=14

    I'm not sure you can be in it if you don't have any residual cancer at the moment, but it is worth a shot.  The PARP trials seem to be very promising in some cases.

    Another option that your doctor may be willing to try is Xeloda - a pill form of chemotherapy.  It is one of the drugs I will be using, and I know it is used in IBC

  • Marijana
    Marijana Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2011

    Suze35

    My hospital participating in that study, but did not want to give my further treatment, first I have distant metastases . In Amsterdam another woman, who after surgery still had N3, received Cisplatin. That exercise, diet and vitamin D3 can help, I did not know. Thank you. In the USA, the treatment slightly different than in the Netherlands, here they are (too) carefully.

    My oldest son is almost ten, about as old as yours. My daughter is six and my youngest is almost 3. Busy but fun.

    Nice of you, that trail.

  • spark
    spark Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2011

    bkj66: I agree w suze35, I think you can do cisplatin... in my trial, they told me that it has shown promise for TN and for those especially with TN who had residual disease after neo chemo. which is me.

    dlcw: I am so sorry to hear about your results! were you devastated? I was supposed to be in that trial at stanford... but got rejected bc they found a node positive in my supraclavicle which put me at stage III-C. I did AC/T originally, dose dense 8 rounds. Let me know how you are doing, and if I can give you any advice or any help... I also have a ton of supplements left over that I got from this famous chinese herbalist guy out in Marin. Michael Broffman. Which I would be happy to mail to you...if you need them. 

    suze35: wow, thanks for the stats on exercise and diet! I am hoping to get back to working out next week after I feel like I am back to full energy. I had no idea it was that significant.. have you considered getting on a parp trial yourself?

    marijana: your experience sounds awful and painful! I think it makes sense for you to get a second opinion and you need to trust your gut. part of all of this is being able to advocate for yourself. some oncologists are just not cautious enough. 

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    I am starting the trial in a couple of weeks. The xeloda did not stop anything.. but I feel good!!! I sure hope I do not get too sick on the PARP/Gem/Carboplatin stuff!!! I am praying for all you guys and I hope the PARP will work for all of us!!!!

    Please PM if you have any questions about the doc or anything.. I will be more than glad to let you know

  • dellmonica
    dellmonica Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    I should be getting PARP today and a scan 2morrow.  This wll be the completion of my 4th cycle with Parp and my 1st cycle was only the Gem/Carp.  The SE are minimal for me.  I have very slight queazy stomach and minor fatigue.  Exercising actually helps with the fatique (go-figure).  

    My platelets have been too low twice, so my treatment has been postponed on those occassions. You know when your platelets are low-because you WILL bruise easily.  

    My white blood counts also went low so I had to get the Neulasta shot. That is a real Pain in Ass(back).  I took Claritin D day-before, 10 minutes before and the day after the shot this last time, so that really helped and I had no back pain this time.

    updates will follow- later this week after the PET-CT-Scan.   EVERYONE Have a great day!

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011

    Spark - how are you feeling on your chemo these days? I hope you are doing okay!



    I looked high and low for a PARP trial, but I'm in such an odd position pathologically. I'm not metastatic (yay!), and kinda sorta recurrent, but not really. If I do become metastatic, then I'll definitely try for a PARP.



    Re: the stats, my doctor is a big believer in diet and exercise for TNs. I do well maybe 75% of the time on both, it can't hurt! The way I see it, if I have a 60% chance at recurrence (what my doctor reluctantly told me), then I can possibly cut that to 35-40% if I diet/exercise. No guarantees, but worth the shot! I also do a few, not too crazy things - two glasses of green tea a day, 4 ounces of blueberries a day, Melatonin every night, and Vitamin D.



    I found another clinical trial that may interest you - I'm going to ask my doctor about it. It is a vaccine trial for TNs at high risk for mets after chemo/surgery.



    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00986609?term=Breast+cancer&recr=Open&no_unk=Y&rank=635



    I would have to travel, but it might be worth it.

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    They are supposedly doing a trial for a vaccine for TN if you qualify.. not sure what the info is..

    Call the Rockville Breast Center.. and ask about it. You have to go there

    Rockville Center NY Sloan Kettering.. I do not have anymore info... only 15% of TNS qualify due to some hormonal stuff that maybe in your tumor.. so you have to go there and give them written permission for the release of your slides and than they see if you qualify....hope this helps.

  • dellmonica
    dellmonica Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    I am wondering if anyone on the board has a PassPort( in their arm) vs a Port (in their chest).

    I am researching getting a PassPort ( not a PICC line that hangs out) in my arm and would like any feedback,pros.cons.

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    Go for it !! It is great....

  • dellmonica
    dellmonica Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    well well well  -- My PET CT Scans came back clear -- I do not think it has sunk in my head yet!!  Laughing

    I have been fighting this battle since late 2007/early 2008 and I never had a clear PET CT Scan!!  There was a lot of celebration ( eating and wine drinking)  this weekend . Sealed

    The PARP trial wants me to continue for 2 month for good measure -- so I will.  I  am scheduled to get the PORT a week from today.  I will go ahead and get it in my upper chest wall and then will make the next 2 months easier for me and the nurses. I will then have a follow-up PET CT Scan for good measure again! 

  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited June 2011
    dellmonica - that is FABULOUS!!  Yay!!!  Enjoy the food and wine Laughing
  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    What is this study about the PARP!!! does work or not??? I am hoping it does. My onc said they have no info about it. .. the trial is continuing for Mast. TNBC

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    That is amazing dellmonica! Where were your mets located? So glad all is clear!!!!

  • dellmonica
    dellmonica Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    @bkj66: mets were in arm pit area, hip bone, small ones in lungs and clavicale and chest.

    @Towny:The Parp trial has NOT shown to be effective for newly diagnosed BC patients, but it has shown to be effective in those with mets.  I believe they are no longer running the trial for newly diagnosed BC patients and only running it for those with recurrences and mets.

    My trial is thru US ONCOLOGY.  I am sure you can google it and get the details. If not, let me know and I can send you my waiver form that contains the details.

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    Thanks for the info and the prayers!!!

    I am just waiting for my name to be picked from the bucket... I qualifiy.. I guess it has to be random and no one knows until the last minute. Crazy way to run anything.. Is that how your worked?  I will check out us onc though.. I am so excited and looking forward to getting through this. My mets is almost in the same area ... my neck  clavical and chest area....and armpit!!

    enjoy

  • spark
    spark Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2011

    dellmonica: OMG!! YAY!!!!!!! Woo hoo!! I am so so so happy and feel so much joy for you!!

    suze35: I am done w chemo! i was supposed to do 4 rounds, but i decided to be done after 3. after being so sick, some of the hearing loss, etc... its different doing a trial like i am doing. i already completed my 8 rounds of the AC/T and surgery and radiation and this trial is considered an "insurance policy". meaning I currently don't have any cancer (at least based on the theory that I completed all of my treatment) so this is to prevent it from ever coming back. 

    towny, which trial you looking at? 

    This is the trial I am in! Check it out you guys! 

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01074970?term=triple+negative+parp&rank=1

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    Spark it is a trial for mets TN.. Parp with Carbo/Gem

    I have gone through all my other treatments.  it came back and now I have to try this. They pull names randomly and hopefully will pull my name this Fri .. .Right now I am on NO chemo and do not like the feeling at all. I want to be doing something. I was on xeloda but had get off of it to get in the trial. I guess they want you to be almost dead or something before you get into one of these things.!!!!!! It is frustrating. I had celluitius this past week in the ER etc. so I guess it all worked out. I hope to start on Tuesday.

    I do not have all the numbers... but it is the same one as dellmonica but I am in NY.... it is across the country and it is for mets TN... the braca gene does not come into play here..

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