Path report confusion
Hi! I had BMX with TE on 5/26:
I got some details of my path report and I'm confused because they are Staging it TIS-I (not 0). I thought DCIS was always stage 0, but wondering if it's because the size of the DCIS that it is a Stage I.
Extensive DCIS-margins negative, ER/PR+, Nuclear Grade 2, Stage TIS: I, Size 6.5cm, 0/3 lymph nodes on Right
Lt Breast 0/2 Lymph nodes, pre-malignancy in multiple areas.
They told me I don't need chemo, tamoxifen or anything.
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Wow, just when I start to think I have a handle on this DCIS stuff, something new pops up. Here's what I just found on line at the National Cancer Institute website. Hope this helps.
Primary Tumor (T) TX Primary tumor cannot be evaluated T0 No evidence of primary tumor Tis Carcinoma in situ (CIS; abnormal cells are present but have not spread to neighboring tissue; although not cancer, CIS may become cancer and is sometimes called preinvasive cancer) T1, T2, T3, T4 Size and/or extent of the primary tumor -
Who is "they?" Have you met with the medical oncologist yet and gone over the report? Usually the MO helps guide the decision regarding chemo and/or tamoxifen. Good luck.
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Hi, back again....I deleted my earlier post because I had cut and paste from another site and it came across terrible - hard to read. So, of course now I can't find that website but it was from the National Cancer Institute. Your take on it sounds like what their site said - it's based on size etc. If I can find that summary page again I'll send you the link.
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The breast surgeon is the doc I was talking about and the breast specialist nurse is who gave me the most recent detailed info. I see plastics on Friday and the breast surgeon 6/20, so the nurse said I could ask him about a referral to the oncologist to see his perspective if he thinks I need tamoxifen or not, but they all seem to think I've done what I need to do. Just want to be sure, I want to everything now so I hopefully won't have to deal with it again later!
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Oh, BTW, I could be wrong, but since it is DCIS chemo is generally not used right? The stage is what really threw me.....I know people often use tamoxifen, but do they after BMX as well?
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J9W: thanks for the website, I did a little investigating, but it's so confusing! From what I can tell the Tis is another verbage they use now, maybe new? But Tis is still DCIS, LCIS or pagets and I think still stage 0. I will talk further to MD on 6/20 and ask for oncology consult just to be sure.
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I had a bilateral mastcetcomy for DCIS in Jan 2011. If you have pure DCIS, chemo is not needed according to all the posts I have been reading on this site and american cancer society's website. I have learned that if margins aren't clear after a mastectomy radiation may be required. My onocologist told me that for DCIS, there is no need for tamoxifen after a mastectomy because all the cancer has been removed with the milk ducts with the mastectomy. My surgeon,however, disagreed and wanted to put me tamoxifen. Both doctors gave valid reasons for their arguments regarding tamoxifen for pure DCIS after a BMX. My decision was made for me because of other health problems that prohibits me from taking tamoxifen, and to be honest, I was leaning towards following the medical onocolgist's stance because he has more training in that area than the surgeon (in my opinion. Pure DCIS is always stage 0. However, if the DCIS has broken thru the milk ducts, which it sometimes can, it is called DCIS stage 0 with microinvasions. I am not sure if that is classified as stage I or not, or how much is needed beyond the DCIS to classify as IDC stage I. You can search this website or american cancer society website for lots of really good information that can answer basic questions about cancer in general. Good luck with your dilemma.If you are confused by your pathology report, ask a doctor to sit down and go over it with you. My medical oncologist was wonderful in sitting down and explaining the whole schpeel about cell mutation, cancer, treatments, pathology report, etc.
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There are (at least) two different staging systems used for breast cancer. We're all most familiar with the one that has Stages 0, I, II, III and IV. As mentioned, pure DCIS is always Stage 0.
However there is also the TNM system, which reports characteristics of Tumor, Nodes & Mets. That's the staging system that seems to be being used in your report. TIS (is the T component, and implies that there isn't anything to report on the N or M component) as someone mentioned stands for Tumor In Situ. The roman I refers to a size of the tumor, and I is the smallest size.
I would interpret this to mean that you are Stage 0 on the staging system most commonly used system on these boards, and TIS:I on the TNM staging system.
You can read more about both staging systems at
www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/staging.jsp
HTH,
LisaAlissa
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Thanks everyone, I think I understand now. I will definitley clarify with my doc. But wanted to ask anyone with DCIS.....after mastectomy should everyone with DCIS see an oncologist or have people had experiences that they are told they don't need to and mastectomy was it? I want to see an oncologist to just cover my basis, but didn't know if that is the norm or not?
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I think you would see an oncologist if you want to talk about any drug therapies - i.e. Tamoxifen, and you'd continue seeing the oncologist as long as you were on drugs. I'm not sure that an oncologist is needed if you've already determined you won't be taking Tamoxifen. But it seems like it would be a good idea to meet with an oncologist at least once.
When I was first diagnosed, they set me up with a surgeon, oncologist, radiation oncologist, plastic surgeon, genetic counselor, and supporting nurse right away (3 days of appointments). I met with each of them for at least an initial opinion, even though I ended up not needing the radiation oncologist. I liked that approach - getting all perspectives up front.
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Our situations are quite similar! My doctor says Tamoxifen will not really benefit the removed breast but would be to offer protection on my remaining breast. However you had a BMX, so I doubt in your situation that my doctor would recommend it. He really seems kind of 50/50 on me taking it. He doesn't want me to start it until after my reconstruction is done due to the possibilities of blood clots. He said once I started, if I choose to take it, I would need to confer with an oncologist.
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Thanks, yes, that's what I am getting from them. With the BMX, most of the time they don't feel tamoxifen necessary, I did see on line some docs recommend it. Emaline: we are close to the same time also of diagnosis, so they haven't sent you to an oncologist yet? Wow, our diagnosis is almost exactly the same! I think I'm still Stage 0 since it's DCIS, just like I said confused with the path report till I meet with the doc face to face.
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I had an appointment scheduled with my breast surgeon for 2 weeks out from surgery but he called and gave me the all clear, went over the path report on the phone. I asked if I still needed to come in face to face and he said no, unless I really wanted to hear the words again. I'm to call when I'm done with reconstruction and we will go from there, so I'm thinking September? Really not sure.
No, no oncologist yet. I even spoke with the oncologist department and they said with DCIS, they generally did not meet until after all the surgeries were done, unless DX warranted it. But I know every doctor is different. I have a friend who is a few steps ahead of me, same DX but hers was in February, and her BS recommended a visit to the onco. The onco wrote the prescription for Tamoxifen for her, but she said he really didn't do anything else for her.
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Emaline: Thanks for all the info. It makes me feel better. Guess I'll see what happens at my post-op appt. with the breast surgeon.
Hoping I get drains out today at Plastic Surgeon!!
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mommyrnx2 - my BS referred me to both a radiation oncologist (as you know) and to a regular oncologist. Meeting with the oncologist next week. I'm thinking that one is just a formality, hopefully! Hoping you get those drains out today too!!
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Crossing my fingers that you got your drains out too
I did such a happy dance when I had mine removed.
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I GOT MY DRAINS OUT!! YIPPEE!!! It feels soooo much better! And it didn't hurt a bit, just a weird sensation! I also got my first fill (50cc) so now I just have muscle soreness. They said I'm too small to do more than 50cc at a time and my TE goes to 350cc, so I wonder what size I'll end up being.....I'm almost as big as I was prior to surgery with this fill, HA HA!!
Julianna51: good luck with the oncologist, let us know how things go. Maybe you can talk with BS again about going back to OR to trim extra skin to get clear margins like another posted, it's worth a try!
Emaline: I'm happy dancing right there with you today!
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Woohoo!! Yea for the drains coming out
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