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  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited June 2011

    XRAY: My weight is probably fluctuating because I am not doing any activity yet. I eat and I quess that has to process out. Yesterday, I ate mainly fruit, and this morning I weighed 209 lbs. I look good though! My PS told me to stop exercizing before I had my DIEP because he needed all my belly fat and he was right. I was so embarrassed that he could pick it up in his hands, but that is history now because he used every bit of it.You probably will not gain back all you have lost already. What you do gain if any, once you are able to get moving again, you will probably lose it fast.I will be sooo glad when I can start walking again. I know that I am healing from the inside out and I want to make sure that my insides are ready to take the pavement. I do not need any set backs.

    grdnsive: I am happy that you are back on the June list again.

    Lisa810: I am so glad that you are doing so good.

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited June 2011

    Carolyn, you go girl!!!  I am really worry about getting all the way to Charleston to find out I don't have enough fat in the right places for my surgery too.  That is one of the consequences of not travelling to the doctor prior to surgery.  I have talked with Dr. Kline on the phone and have sent pictures so from there I will just have to have faith.  I am ultimately hoping for two full C cups.

    Keep up the good work with your weight loss.  I have lost 5 pounds this week.  I walked 4 miles last night.  It took me 1 hour and 20 minutes but I still did it.  I hope to lose 15 more before my surgery.  If I lose a few more pounds during and after surgery I will jump for joy!  My goal is to be back to a size 8 after stage 2.

    Susan

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Susan - I'm more than happy to share my story!

    One thing I would counsel, don't actively lose weight pre-surgery. They really do need all the belly-fat they can get. It's easier if they have more to choose from. They'll just discard what they don't need. I promise that you'll be able to exercise and diet post-surgery sooner than you think. (I didn't because my true nature is that of Lazy Slug, lol!)

    So, all about me: Diagnosed with stage IIb invasive BC in my left breast in Nov '08. I was very large-breasted and there was a good chance the cancer was festering a year prior, even tho I was faithful with my mammos. I decided to have both breasts removed, despite their finding nothing scary in my right, healthy breast. Bilateral mastectomy was 12/30/08 with immediate reconstruction (expanders). Pathology showed in situ BC in left breast also. Only had 1.5 nodes involved, but they removed 17 to be sure. Went thru standard chemo from 2/6/09 - 5/13/09, with very few problems (other than the horrid, rotten hair loss of course). Had my exchange surgery 7/8/09 and was really happy with my perky C-cup saline implants. I could go braless for the first time EVER! Decided to go ahead with rads 11/09 on the counsel of my breast surgeon - my onc didn't think it was necessary. My PS said if rads damaged my implants, he'd fix them. Which is what happened. By 4/10 I had a nice case of capillary contraction in left foob. When I went back to my PS, we both decided a DIEP would most likely give me the best possible results (I have lower back issues and didn't want my core muscles messed with), so he sent me to one of the experts, Dr. Greenspun (NY + CT), who is pretty much GOD in my book.

    Like I said I wound up a little bit bigger than I would've liked - borderline D, DD - so I went to try on some minimizers (because I threw my old ones away, of course). Even though Doc had lipo'd the sides of my breasts, I kept spilling over and out of the 36D's and the DD's. (I'm too self-concious right now to go to a professional bra-fitter, stupid, I know.) Somehow the underwire didn't "fit" properly under my left breast. Almost like the bra lifted my right breast, but couldn't lift my left breast to the same level. So I looked quite lopsided. My breasts are sort of round, I wouldn't say hersey-kissy ... definitely NOT flat. They sag incredibly naturally, not a lot, just enough. They also bounce, so I can't really go braless - which sort of bums me out - I felt so FREE last summer. My nipples are still rather large (another reason I can't go braless - the "headlight" issue) but Doc assured me they will shrink. I absolutely cannot wait for the tats - I hear the artist that does them is fabulous.

    The only other drawbacks are the scars, of course - which will always be the trade-off, no matter how well they fade - and my right breast is a tad larger than my left breast. Though the nipples were placed in proportion to one another, and also proportionally to each breast, one sort of points out, the other points up. In my opinioni, certainly not worth re-doing. Hey, my old breasts didn't match exactly. And I knew going in to both types of reconstruction that perfection is not the goal. I look and feel like I did pre-diagnosis, which is a miracle to me. I don't regret having gone the expander-implant route first, I don't even regret opting for rads, because every decision led me to where I am now: healthy and au natural! (albeit hairy all of a sudden, grrrrr!)

    Interestingly enough, I've gained about 10 lbs recently, and I have not gotten my old "Buddha belly" back - I've just widened at the hips and oozed into a muffin top. I succumbed and bought a pair of size 14 stretchy chinos, but they're looser around the waist and tighter at the hips. My belly still feels tight - which he said may last a year or more. My goal is to lose 20 lbs (to get closer to a healthy BMI - I don't want to have to EVER deal with cancer again!) and I'm hoping that will make my boobs shrink a little too.

    Any DIEP sisters, feel free to ask here or email me at lgessner at yahoo dot come if you have any more questions - it's my pleasure to help ease any worries. It's truly a miracle surgery and I feel very lucky and blessed to have been able to have it.

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited June 2011

    Lisa810: I fell so very blessed to have been able to have this surgery done too.I hope to have my muffin top lipoed in stage 2.

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited June 2011

    Lisa: 

    I'm 10 1/2 weeks post diep and my aerola created out of belly skin is slightly fuzzy! I'm sure that is what my belly looks like, I just never see it THAT close (I could ask my DH to check it out!).

    My breast surgeon gives me a prescription for bras. After my mx I used it for two bras from nordstroms, but would work anywhere that works with your insurance - a bit of paperwork but it was worth it. They were so helpul and professional and it saved me from having to dig through bras trying to guess! I haven't used my prescription for this year; I'll wait until after stage two. The two from Nordstroms are nice & stretchy but also provides good support. I had to pay some but a lot less than full price.

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited June 2011

    LOL - now you've got all us pre-ops running to exam our bellies for peach fuzz. As long as they're not PUBES or MANLY CHEST HAIR, I don't think it will bother me. I just want living breasts. 

    Thanks, Lisa810, for posting your experience. If you have time, please tell us about your DIEP surgery and recovery. How long was your surgery? How were your drains? Was the pain as bad as you expected? Which was worse-the breasts or the tummy? How long before you felt normal again?

    I just want to get this over with.

  • Lilyn
    Lilyn Member Posts: 282
    edited June 2011

    Has anyone had their DIEP done by Dr. Stefan Hoffer at Toronto General Hospital? Have a consult with him in July. Was diagnosed with bilateral breast cancer 2 1/2 years ago. I had double mastectomy and pretty much have decided not to reconstruct but I want to meet with him to finally decide. Thanks Lois

  • ladym13
    ladym13 Member Posts: 251
    edited June 2011

    Welcome Lois... Dr. Hofer works closely with Dr. Zhong at Toronto General, Dr. Zhong is doing my DIEP on June 14th....I've heard great things about him

  • Lilyn
    Lilyn Member Posts: 282
    edited June 2011

    Thanks ladym. Best of luck for your upcoming surgery. I wish you a healthy recovery and will check in on the site to hear how you are doing. There is certainly a lot of great info on this thread for us to be prepared going into this surgery. Take care. Lois 

  • XRAYestInMA
    XRAYestInMA Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2011

    Two days to go and while I am emotionally ready for this, I am far from physically ready - and NOT HAPPY about the latter. I feel like I still have a ton of things to do, and know that I will not be able to get them all done since I am working the next 2 days (Sat and Sun). I feel like I am rowing against the tide over here. I think there is going to come a time this week-end when I say "just screw it", and pack my bag for the hospital.

    I still have to pick up a few magazines to bring and make sure my IPod is charged - that's no big deal. I was watering the garden this afternoon and noticed that 2 of my plants are croaking - one is a perennial - go figure. Now I feel the need to stop at a greenhouse tomorrow after work to pick up two flowers to put into the dead spots. I complained to my DH about it, and what does he say..."Oh, no big deal. Just put some extra mulch over the dead flowers...". WHAT !!! He must be joking - but he's not. Yell Then I thought I might have time to run to Lowe's to pick up some paint for the bathroom that I am re-decorating. I'm going to rag the walls with a glaze. Anyhow, there is NO WAY that I'm going to have time to do that this w/e, so what's the point ? DH will be overwhelmed enough next week having to do all of my "things" = carpools, laundry, homework, meals, sports, dog care, oh yes, and work - so I can pretty much bet my retirement fund that he has no intention of finishing the bathroom. I'm just going to have to recover in a un-redecorated bathroom. I cannot believe this!  Oh the perils!

    And this is weird ... I have been told and reminded numerous times by both of my doctor's office staff (3 surgeons will be performing my surgery - 2 of them are from the same practice), and also by the PAT staff when I went for that , to NOT FORGET to call the surgeons office the day before the surgery to make sure nothing has changed with the time, place, etc. I was told, again numerous times, to call anytime after 2:30 on the Friday before my surgery. So, that Friday is today. I didn't forget, but didn't have to call anyone anyway. You see, THEY ALL called me! Is that crazy or what? The breast surgeon's office called just after 2 pm to remind me about the surgery and time to be there, etc. Moments later, the PS office called to tell me all is good and going full steam ahead. What's up with that? I didn't even have a chance to call - and I was going to...honest. Do you think some women blow off a surgery like this, so now the surgeons are calling the patients to ensure that they are not left standing alone at the alter, so to speak? Who would blow off a surgery like this? My DH, the comedian that he is, thinks these Dr's are thinking about the big $$$ they will be receiving from my insurance company, and want to be sure that is will be forth-coming. Really ??? Then I tell my DH about how I do not feel physically ready with all the things I still have to do - and he says, "You can't postpone it because all those doctors would probably be pissed at you". Oh really !?! Not that I plan on post-poning anything - but if I did want to, I could care less if a surgeon would be angry with me. For what? - wasting his time? That's a good one. I don't feel stressed, but after re-reading my rant, maybe I am ....just a little.

    Well...this day is almost coming to a close. I'm driving the kids to school this morning and thinking, * This will be the last day that I drive the kids to school with one boob*...then I go to D&D for an iced coffee and while I am waiting in the drive-thru, I am thinking, *This is the last time that I will stop at D&D to get an iced coffee after I drop off the kids at school with one boob*, etc, etc. That's it !!! I have to STOP thinking so much about this. It's probably a good thing that I am working this week-end so at least I'll be busy. Oh yeah, I can see it now...*This is the LAST x-ray I will be taking on this particular patient while I still have ONE BOOB*. 

    I sure hope these next 2 days go by quick....*sigh*

    ~Lori

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited June 2011

    Hey Lisa, thanks so much for sharing with us all.  We all need to hear that six months from now we will be back to normal and will love our new bodies.  I am really not sure what I am going to do about nipples.  Because I have one side that is delayed and one side that will be immediate my PS will not do anything about nipples during stage 1.  I have plenty of time to decide.  I was thinking about tats without nipples to keep from having the headlight issue you described.  I figure I have enough things to worry about for now though.  My other dilema is also what size I want to be in the end.  I am a full D cup right now.  Should I stay my natural size or go smaller so I don't have to worry about sagging later.  What are the rest of you ladies doing?

    My surgery is two months from today.  It seems like yesterday that I posted it was three months away.

    Lori, you are absolutely right.  Girl, your flowers and your bathroom will still be there when you are finished with all of this.  Take a deep breath and give yourself time to prepare mentally and emotionally for the journey you are about to take.  I have to tell you, if the doctors don't give me plenty of valium for the few days before my surgery, I may very well not show up!!  If my anxiety increases as the surgery gets closer I don't know what will happen.  I may very well leave my surgeon standing at the altar!  LOL!!!  When you describe your thoughts and feelings about having one boob and being just a few days from having two you are describing me to a T.  I detest being so lopsided and I want CLEAVAGE!!!!  I hope the next two days pass quickly and peacefully! Just think about how HOT you are going to be a week from today!

    Susan

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited June 2011

    @sohardbnme - re: taking a class post-surgery:

    I haven't had my DIEP yet but I would think you'd be okay STARTING the online class ten days post-surgery. Now if you had to take an EXAM that early it might be a problem especially with the pain meds, anesthesia still in your system making your brain a bit fuzzy. When I had my hysterectomy, I could only focus on rest and healing for the first couple of weeks post-surgery. If you can't get the class any other time, I'd say go for it. It might take your mind off your aches and pains while you heal.

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited June 2011

    Lori - I think I was adding music, charging my IPOD, & setting up an email notification list for my sister pretty much as I was walking out the door!

    I guess we all do whatever we need to in order to feel ready; at some point it is time to go and you just do. I knew I would be okay no matter what, but also visualized everything going well.

    I feel close to all of you getting ready for your transformation - it is a remarkable procedure! It brings back all the feelings I had in the days just prior. Excited and nervous all bundled together and trying to find the right blend of being present and somewhat distracted.

    You are all so well prepared and informed - you will do fantastic! Keep thinking positive thoughts and realize how prepared your teams are and how you will just snooze away! It felt like no time passed between going nighty-night and opening my eyes to a new boob. 

    Susan, really  -- only two months? It just seems like last week when things were up in the air . . time flies!  And you are doing so great with your walking routine - you got me beat . . gotta get my butt (& hips) into the gym again!

    Kathy Cool (finally, some nice weather here in the pacific northwest)

  • ladym13
    ladym13 Member Posts: 251
    edited June 2011

    Lori, I totally get!! I feel like I have been emotionally ready for this since the day of my mastectomy last year, but I am SO not prepared....eeeek

    My surgery is a week tuesday and I have done NOTHING!!!! lol I haven't bought a wedge, recliner, nothing, no clothes, haven't even thought about what to pack. Also I am moving July 23rd and wont be able to pack after surgery and I havent done a THING!! I'm still at work until wed the 8th and then hopefully I'll get some stuff done after that...I am a disaster.

    Lori I do that same thing...I was laughing when I read that, I cant tell you how many times I've though 'This is the last time I'll go shopping with one boob' or this is the last time I'll take the cat to the vet with one boob' HAHAHAHa too funny.

    I also feel a littl nervous about the preop, it's next friday, I actually thought I'd have a chance to see my PS again before sugery, but I'm not sure I will, I'm guessing it's just a nurse at preop.

    Anyway, all of you ladies that are coming up next, good luck, I will be thinking and praying about you constantly.

    I can't tell you how grateful I am to have this place to come to and feel so at home 

    Mo

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited June 2011

    Mo.. are you in denial?? I think I would be if I had that much on my plate... Maybe you should find some helpers... line people up to help you, especially for the move. You are very brave to take on all this stuff all at one time...

  • carberry
    carberry Member Posts: 1,153
    edited June 2011

    Lori   Good Luck to you cant wait to hear how you make out.  Prayers and Hugs!  Dont panic...dont we all do the same thing when we go on vacation?  Never get everything done beforehand, its just the nature of us women...trying to be super heros!

    Mo  You have definitely been elevated to hero status,working, surgery,moving, maybe you could build a bridge in your "free" time? LOL  i can see how strong everyone is and this surgery will not keep you down!

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited June 2011

    Lori: There is no end to the things that need to be done when we as women have to be missing in action.I did the main things and one of those was having meals prepared and in the freezer for my return home,which worked out great. Had my room prepared for me to sleep in for the first few days and a few other things that I felt were important to me, everything else as I walk through the house on day 15 post-op, I just look at it and say oh well it will hold for a couple more weeks.

    Mo: If you are like me ,some things I do best last minute. But you are going to have to start packing.

  • carberry
    carberry Member Posts: 1,153
    edited June 2011

    mscal02 at 15 days out how are you feeling?  I linger here to see how everyone is doing, because I remember the anxiety of pre-op and want to keep up with everyone post-op.  I am 2mo out and can do everything as before, tummy still tight and I get strange poking and pulling sensations once in awhile that make me stop and go "HUH" but then it goes away.  Started sleeping on my stomach again, but not all night, still kinda restless cause of the hot flashes.  Wishing everyone speedy recovery!

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited June 2011

    With 2-1/2 weeks still to go before my surgery, I have waaaaaay too much late-night time on my hands to scour the internet for more and more DIEP information. Last night, I found a website on-line that has a very easy to follow description of the actual DIEP surgery (including short video clips). Even though we are knocked-out  for the whole thing, we ought to know what the team of doctors are doing to us for 10 hours. The website is:   http://www.breastflap.com/reconstruction-techniques/diep-flap-description.cfm

    Dr. Keller is not my doctor as he is in NY and I'm on the West Coast but he has a very informative website.  (Thank you, Dr. Keller). My own PS is excellent and he and his office staff are very helpful and willing to answer all my questions but, truthfully, I am ravenous to know every little detail and don't want to be a pest. Hope this link helps answer some of your questions too.

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited June 2011

    carberry: I am feeling very well. I have my post-op on Tuesday and I am hoping that he give me the green light to drive and walk. The most of my tightness and pain seems to be just above my DIEP breast. I already had a frozen shoulder so I quess that is not helping either. My stomach is a little tight and once I sit or lie down for a while it seems to get really stiff. My incisions are glued. so hot showers doesn't help. I was told not to put antibiotic ointment on them because it would melt the glue.Other than that I am up and down the stairs all day, cooking light meals and getting around pretty good.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited June 2011

    Lilyn, I was booked to consult Dr Hofer yesterday but when I got there, the receptionist sadly asked "did no one call you? He isn't even here today". (Um, if someone had called me, why would I be here?) Anyway, I walked back to my office in shock because I've been waiting so long for the consult and very wound up about it. All my schedules and plans both personal and work are on hold pending a forecast of my OR date. But reputation wise, I have a student who works part time in the unit and says wonderful things about him, so am feeling pleased that the BS's regular PS referred me to him, and I'm looking forward to my consult this upcoming week (ahem, hopefully this week). I plan to run all summer (won't lose a darned ounce, no worries, flap volume wise) and strengthen the abs but I want to be sure I have the cardiorespiratory condition for the long anaesthesia (plus I want this running medal: http://is.gd/k6J3m8 ). Any time after Labour Day is good for me. (But if not, then maybe better early 2012. My work is cyclical so scheduling to avoid peeving my colleagues is a real source of stress. And no, they have no empathy or accommodation beyond the letter of the law.) Admittedly, the drains are the worst. But the uncertainty and waiting are surely the second worst, I think.

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited June 2011

    Goldlining, that totally stinks.  I hate to have myself all psyched up for something that falls apart at the last minute like that.  Good luck at your appointment.

    C8ndygrl, I have to tell you up front that I have a weak stomach and scare easily.  If I watch the link is there anything like blood spurting or cutting that I can see?  I want to be informed but don't want to flip out with two months still to go before surgery.

    Xray/Lori, I have been thinking about you all day today.  Only two more nights to go to sleep with only one boob.  Hooray!!!

    Alexan/Misszed, how are you doing?  Are you getting prepared for this week?

    I can not wait to hear from each of you when you are on the other side!

    Susan

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited June 2011

    @SAMayoFL - Susan, rest assured the website is informative to read even without the short video clips which are OPTIONAL. To watch them, you have to click on them and agree to the graphic warning. The video clips are close-ups of surgical instruments separating the vessels from surrounding tissue and then connecting the two ends of the vessels together. No spurting blood but it is somebody's insides. If you get queasy or might freak out, don't click on the videos. We have plenty of anxiety as it is without adding to it. 

    There is plenty of helpful information to read and diagrams on the website WITHOUT having to watching the video clips. So, go ahead, it's safe to view the website.

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited June 2011

    Whew, C8ndygrl, thanks for that warning.  It sounds like the video clips may not be for me but I will definitely check out the other info.

    Susan

  • Jerusha
    Jerusha Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2011

    Hey ladies, if you are talking about the Dr Mark Smith from Beth Israel Hosp videos, be aware that there are 2 versions. One is "Live from the OR " and lasts about 45 min and is VERY graphic...definitely not for the faint of heart. You could practically do the surgery yourself after watching! Haha. SAMayoFL -- don't even consider!

  • mscal02
    mscal02 Member Posts: 522
    edited June 2011

    Xray: I am praying for you and everyone involved in your surgery. I am hoping that you are not going to be thinking of things that you have left un done, but are concentrating on yourself.

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited June 2011

    Want to wish our girls - Xray Lori (Mon) - Alexanjb (Weds) - Misszed (Fri) - the VERY BEST with their surgeries this week. It will be over before you know it and you'll be on the road to recovery with your FABULOUS new NOOBS. We'll be anxiously waiting to hear how you're doing. {{{{{ Hugs to all }}}}}

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited June 2011

    Thinking about all three of you too!!!

    Lori, today is your last day of only one boob.  I wish I was able to say the same thing!

    Susan

  • alexanjb
    alexanjb Member Posts: 304
    edited June 2011

    Hi All!  I just returned home from the weekend at Camp Good Days and Special Times.  It was great.  BUT.  I really am not used to being around such a crowd 24/7.  There were 38 guests plus staff and volunteers.  8 women in my cabin.  Lots of snoring going on.  My dogs are traumatized from my absence and of course off I go again on Wednesday for the surgery. 

    I met a woman that had a reconstruction from my PS and she showed me her noob.  It looks normal.  Thank goodness!  But she did say that she was given an epidural.  That is the first I've heard anything like that.  She is an RN so I am sure she knows what she is talking about, but maybe she had special circumstances?  She said she never got out of bed the whole hospital stay.  This was 3 years ago.  She also said to take the whole 8 weeks of disability.  It sounds like most on here that have already gone through this have done better than this?  I don't really want to watch the video of the surgery right now.  Maybe AFTER.  I came across it in my web surfing a few weeks ago but decided against watching it.  I have my limits.  Of course I am curious too.

    There was also a woman at camp that had the flap taken from her inner thigh and she said she has a problem with hair growth.

    Lori-light the way!  I have a few things to do prior to the surgery too, but whatever will be, will be.  And I guess mainly we have to show up, we probably won't need that much at the hospital.  I know whatever preparations I make I will still be coming up with more things I think I should do or bring.

    I don't have valium to take prior but I do have some ambien!

  • IowaSue45
    IowaSue45 Member Posts: 586
    edited June 2011

    Hi Ladies, I'm just checking in. I will be three weeks out  DIEP  I am doing great. I worked 20 hrs. last week mostly doing paper work. I was kind of ticked off at my job because not only does nobody do my work while I'm gone my boss was to put out a newsletter to family of the residents of the care center I show up Tue. and hes says good your back you can do the newsletter. Well needless to say it is usally in the mail by that time. So I was just a little pissy about this. I was fine otherwise, no fatigue, in fact just the opposite for my. I have had way to much insomnia. At my week follow up they gave me ambiem, that doesn't even help me sleep. I can't wait to be able to sleep on my side again.

    I forgot to ask my PS when I can put stuff on my scare to make  it fade. Do anyone know? Like mederma.

    I had a great wkend camping, the weather was absolutely beautiful. The sun is so healing to me I sat in it 3 hours on Sat. it felt so great!!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE LADIES HAVE SURGERY THIS WEEKS & LOTS OF PRAYERS TO YOU!!! Each day while I was in the hospital it helped for me to keep telling myself that the next day I would feel 50 % better than I did that day and its true each day I felt better than the day before.

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