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mdg
mdg Member Posts: 3,571

I am interested in switching over to organic health care products including make up.  It seems hard to find good organic makeup.  Do any of you use organic make up?  What brands and where are you buying them? 

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  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited February 2011
    I personally don't buy it (not in my budget), but www.saffronrouge.com is a great site for organic makeup and skincare .
  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited February 2011

    check out www.cosmeticsdatabase.com  they list the best products with the least amount of nasty ingredients. 

    L

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited February 2011

    Saffron Rouge is fantastic and full of some really great brands.  She's right though, organic and more eco-friendly make-up is more expensive than some (and harder to find and try out sometimes).  The cost can also rise because you have to buy it more often, depending on the product, as they're not full of preservatives like drug store and prestige brands.  A few years ago I switched over all of my skincare and body products to avoid parabens and phthalates etc.,but make-up has been more difficult because I'm a make-up artist and get a lot of it for free from various companies.  I'm really trying to change that though.  Tarte is really working on their formulations to eliminate harmful chemicals www.tartecosmetics.com  and Korres and Josie Maran have some really amazing products too (all are available at Sephora).

    http://www.sephora.com/browse/brand_hierarchy.jhtml;jsessionid=ULZ41BMCMOBR4CV0KRRQ5UQ?brandId=Josie+Maran

    http://www.sephora.com/browse/brand_hierarchy.jhtml;jsessionid=ULZ41BMCMOBR4CV0KRRQ5UQ?brandId=Tarte

    http://www.sephora.com/browse/brand_hierarchy.jhtml;jsessionid=ULZ41BMCMOBR4CV0KRRQ5UQ?brandId=Korres 

    I also buy quite a bit at a local Toronto spa that carries lots of organic skincare and their own line of make-up:  http://www.pureandsimple.ca/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=27  

    Revolution Organics, Nvey Eco, Dr. Hauschka, Living Nature, Tarte, Alima Pure, Sante, Lavera, Suki, Korres, Josie Maran.......these are all brands that I have tried and really liked.  Make-up can be a tough one and a lot aren't perfect when it comes to the chems, but it's getting better (even in the last 2 yrs).  Feel free to PM me for anything specific as I love make and am so glad to see a movement toward less harmful and hormone disrupting formulations.  :)

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited July 2012

    Separating fact from fiction in beauty products is something I have just begun to delve into. I just read a book called "Your Skin and You" by Bea Kinnear. She has done a lot of research on what is true and what is hype and has a lot of great information on specific ingredients and why they are used. She also discredits the cosmeticsdatabase as companies pay them to have their products tested. Hence, they are not impartial. She also talks about the fact that sometimes products labeled botanical can cause reactions and not always safe. Think about it, peanuts cause some people to have severe reactions and they are botanic. Also if a product is preservative free, do not keep them for long as they may harbor bacteria. I use Usana for skin and hair care as they have a patent on a paraben free and formaldehyde free, non toxic preservative. No matter what you use, toss make-up after a few months. It breeds bacteria.

    Sherbear-thought you might like to know that Bea Kinnear is Canadian, so you can probably find her book easily. If this is your business you will love her book. And I have her email if you have any questions after you read it.

    Another word of caution is information from the EWG-environmental working group. This group is a front for a political organization founded by hedge fund billionaire George Soros. Google him and you will see he is not a nice man. When you see a DONATE HERE front and center on a website, chances are it has an agenda.

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited February 2011

    Are you sure about the EWG site, Vivre?  Dr. Marissa Weiss recommended going to it at a BC conference last year.  They have helpful listings that I have used for information on skin care.  Not so much info on cosmetics, though.  Thanks for starting this thread!

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2011

    Toni-yes, I am sure. Google Soros and EWG. You will see the EWG was one of the first orgs sponsored by the TIDES foundation started by Soros. This organization is  a way for Soros to get his money laundered by sponsoring suppoeed non profits. So many groups that I thought were alturistic are funded by TIDES. When I started looking into this, it made me so upset. Who the heck can we trust anymore?

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited February 2011

    I use Josie Maran's Argan Oil: it is AMAZING as an overall moisturizer. My skin was horridly dry during chemotherapy and it was the only thing that made my skin look decent (it actually looked dewy). It's a bit pricey, but a little bit goes a long way.

    I've also used her Argan Oil SPF40 during the warmer months: also very nice, lightweight.

    Her line can be found @ Sephora.

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited February 2011

    Vivre~ Thanks!  I will definitely check out the book and author you have recommended.  This is pretty important to me and while I don't want to become too crazy about it, I want to do what I can within reason.  All of the cosmetic companies I have listed may not be without fault, but at least they are trying to change what "conventional" cosmetics are made from (or preserved with) and eliminating some, if not all, of the harmful stuff.  I'm with you about the words 'botanical' and natural, you can still have reactions to it so you do have to be careful.  And yes, don't keep make-up for years and years (although some DOES last that long, lol); powders or anything dry isn't as bad, but anything liquid or wet will harbour quite a bit of unwelcome bacteria.  A lot of organic brands do have more natural preservatives, but if you have something that doesn't, keep it in a cool, dry area (fridge) and purchase in small batches.  :) 

  • SuebeeBC
    SuebeeBC Member Posts: 1,256
    edited March 2011

    I'm bumping this up to see if anyone else has suggestions.....

    I see that Sephora has quite a line of products.  Ive been using Clinique for more than 20 years!  I read on the Sephora website that you can go get 'madeup' which I think is very important for me since every time I try to branch out away from clinique I end up choosing the wrong foundation or lipstick or whatever....I cant seem to get colors right.

    Has anyone tried the Sephora products and are they natural looking or is the only difference between the natural line and the standard line of products is the shelf life? 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited March 2011

    I thought Body Shop was supposed to be organic etc?  Or has that changed?

    Also, I believe Aveda has a line of cosmetics that is organic and nature based. . . . .

  • mouse51
    mouse51 Member Posts: 29
    edited March 2011

    I think Arbonne products are good - they claim to be formulated with botanicals and describe products as pure, safe, and beneficial.  I believe they are made with some preservatives, though. 

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    Suebee~ yes, you can have your make-up done at Sephora (and I know they're trying to improve their own line by eliminating certain unwanted ingredients).  Just be sure to check yourself out in natural light to make certain you are happy with what they applied.  In my experience some tend to be 'a tad' heavy handed.  :)

    3monstmama~ Unfortunately the Body Shop isn't organic and still uses parabens etc. in some of their best selling products (Body Butters etc.).  I commend them for not animal testing and using fair trade ingredients, but I still wish they would really work to get the 'crap' out of their products.  I did notice that they took the parabens, sulphates, and phthalates out of their shower gels now.  As for Aveda, Estee Lauder has owned them for a good while now and the founder, Horst, who sold it to them has since come up with a new line (Intelligent Nutrients) because he was less than impressed with how EL had followed up with what he thought was going to be more environmentally friendly research and production.  Guess what, they just wanted to make money, ha!  Some of their ingredients are organic, and they tend to try and stay away from certain undesirables, but I find most companies that EL has purchased over the last 15 years have totally degraded in quality (and I'm not even talking about it from a natural standpoint, MAC is a great example, the make-up artist grade quality has been missing for years).  Aveda does have some of the best hand cream though :)

    Mouse~ I used a few Arbonne products a few years ago when a friend was selling it, but stopped when I found a few suspect ingredients.  Could be different now, I know they're working on finding other methods of preservation, but they haven't totally converted yet.  I did like how their cleanser and skin cream felt on my skin though, I have to admit.  

    Wow, I feel like a real Debbie Downer here, lol.  Don't mean to be, just offering up some info and will get off of my soapbox now.  To each their own, we all have our favourite products that we don't want to be without, I totally get it and have a few of my own Wink.

    One ingredient that I am sure to stay away from is Triclosan, it is not good, but Bath and Body Works puts it in all of their soaps and anti-bacterial gels that all of my friends and family love.  Can't stand the stuff and it is not needed, and is horrible for the environment and our health.  

    Now I'm done.  :) 

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited April 2011

    I 2nd Josie Maran and also Tarte has a new line of stuff with no nasty ingredients!  I go to www.vitacost.com to buy their African Black Soap to wash with and use Avalon Organics also. 

    L

    ox

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited April 2011

    Oh, I live by Josie Maran's Argan Oil...even turned my 13 yo daughter, who has acne, on it. It has really helped her skin and of course keeps me looking like a hag.

    Fairy49, I love the African Black soap too! My husband cringes at it, which always makes me laugh.

    Yes, Body Shop is one big imposter, in my book. Their line is virtually indistinguishable from the rest of the junk on the shelves.

    j

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited April 2011
    such a bummer about the Body Shop.........I starting going to their little store in London back in 1970 something! :)  I used to use my allowance to buy their Elderberry Eye Gel Laughing
  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2011

    Body Shop is garbage.   Ever read those ingredients?      I don't know about their makeup, but their skin care is by no means safe or natural.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited April 2011

    sherbear, I don't think you are debby downer---just passing on helpful information. . . .

    back to what my monsters' like best--- coconut oil for moisturizing and no make-up!

  • SuebeeBC
    SuebeeBC Member Posts: 1,256
    edited April 2011

    Found this site about all kinds of natural and organic products:

    http://www.natural-living-for-women.com/

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited April 2011

    I used Mary Kaye for years. I used Arbonne products the last three or four years. I also tried a few other top brands said to be organic, but none worked. Now that I'm a senior, I'm seeing signs of gravity especially in my neck. I've recently started using a new organic skin care system that actually works. It is new. It is very pricy.  I don't like pushing network marketing products. If you want to try it just order it from HAVVN, rather than through me. I don't want to be accused in pushing it on bco. Or I could give you the name of someone else who sells it...not me :)

    My face and neck is MUCH tighter, skin tone even, soft, hydraded, and skin color better. I had consider plastic surgery, now I'm not sure I need one. Vanity :)

    A friend from worked makes organic skin creams. She wants me to try her stuff compared to this new expensive product I'm now usuing. I will. If her's is better, I'll glady switch over. I'm always looking for the best product...gracefully pushing age back a few years. I also use a little estrogen in my face cream recommended once by Fairy.

    Ladies, I'll look up what you posted on other skin creams. I'm open.

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    I really love the Martina Gebhardt line, pretty minimal in ingredients which is important to me.  I will also say that using coconut oil all over is amazing; you can use it anywhere you want, even dry sclap (was a godsend after chemo).  There is also a make-up company called RMS Beauty that uses coconut oil in their products.  

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2011

    Many companies toss in a few "natural" or organic ingredients, but contain mostly toxic or synthetic ingredients (Jason, Aveeno, Aubrey, etc)...

    To get truly non-toxic skin care or cosmetics, go to cosmeticsdatabase.com.     Of course, just because something is all natural does not mean it will be good for you or that you won't have a reaction to it.

  • supersally
    supersally Member Posts: 351
    edited May 2011

    I believe Jane Iredale is another good line.  Not sure if it was mentioned before.  It is available in some stores locally here in the Dallas area and it is online.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2011

    Many of the Jane Iredale cosmetics are rated very well on cosmetics database, although I have not tried them yet.  Salons and spas sell them in house but otherwise I think you have to order off the internet.  I investigated the stuff I had been using (which was all bad, of course!) but have now switched over to mostly Korres and Boscia.  I like everything I have tried so far, which has mostly been moisture, cleanser and lip products.  You can get them at Sephora, or on their website.  Whole Foods grocery stores also carry an extensive array of products.  Unfortunately for me I am allergic to the coconut based surfactant which creates lather in soaps, detergents, shampoo (I have no hair right now so it's all good!), etc. and even though it is natural I get a body rash from it so I have been using olive oil based products for a long time.  They have a very short list of ingredients and I like them a lot.

  • GointoCarolina
    GointoCarolina Member Posts: 753
    edited May 2011

    I make a lot of my own bath and facial products.The Josie Maran Argan OIl is way over priced,you can buy pure organic Aragn Oil for much less on other sites.

  • Valgirl
    Valgirl Member Posts: 187
    edited May 2011

    I've been trying to find an alternative to my fine mist hair spray.   Although I used it sparingly all my research indicated that it's not a good thing.   I found Andalou hair mist at whole foods and have changed over.   They just launched a website www.andalou.com.   All of their products are organic and natural and contain no parabens or sulfates.   I am going to try some of the other products too as I continue my switch to natural products with no parabens etc.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2011

    I heard that the word "organic" isn't regulated in this industry, so it doesn't really mean anything. Bummer. FWIW, I used the cosmetics database  at EWG.org to sift through which items are good in terms of health issues. It's not always obvious. I started using the Jane Iredale under eye concealer and it works fine. I also shoved my lipsticks to the bottom of the drawer and am using an Alba Botanical lip tint.

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited May 2011

    Dr. Alkaitis is another line that I've recently looked into and tried a few products of (daily moisturizer and night cream and an enzyme mask).  Really liking it, not too heavy and makes my skin super soft.  

    http://www.alkaitis.com/

    And I just received a large package of the RMS Beauty make-up that I mentioned above.  Looks super easy to use so I'm going to try it out and see.

    http://www.rmsbeauty.com/ 

    Peggy_j: the whole cosmetics industry isn't really regulated which is pretty scary.  I agree though, there's tons of Greenwashing out there when it comes to natural and 'organic' products.

    And I will also agree that just because something is natural doesn't mean that it may be better or you may not have a reaction to it.  A lot of it is trial and error.   

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited May 2011
    I'm slowly phasing out regular cosmetics and switching to organic. I found a brand called Sante which uses certified organic plant extracts. It is made in Germany but on their website www.sante.de (English pages available) you can find your location and how to purchase. I've only used the compact powder so far. For organic creams, oils and lotions, I've used Weleda and Lavera. My daughter uses the Weleda face cream, which has calendula (marigold?) and has antiseptic properties as well as the lavender shower cream, which she loves. Weleda is a Swiss brand and Lavera is German.
  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited May 2011

    Anyone have a good parabens-free sunscreen that doesn't leave white crud on your skin after it dries? I haven't been happy with the ones I've tried, like Bert's Bees.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2011

    AnneW, I think the white crud is zinc oxide, the mineral sunscreen ingredient, so maybe find a formula that has less of that (maybe a lower SPF that you have to apply more often)?  I've tried two alba botanica ones, both of which leave some white stuff.

    a) very emollient spf 30  water resistant zinc oxide 14.5%, titanium dioxide 2% (this is very thick and white. I don't like the layer it leaves, the stuff that makes it water resistant. You won't like the white stuff)

    b) very emollient sunblock facial spf 20 zinc oxide 8%; titanium oxide 2%. It's better . I use it for my body but you may consider it too white for your face.

    I also tried the one with the picture of the badger and it was better. Maybe you can find a store that offers sample/testers????  In terms of actual sunscreen ingredients, I prefer the old style mineral ones (like zinc) so I just tough it out, within reason. Personally, I don't want to use the nano-partial ones or the chemical sunscreens. You may want to check EWG.org.  They rate the sunscreens. Also, their cosmetics database contains a section with facial moisturizers with sunscreen, so that may be an option for your face. FWIW, their highest rating for facial moisturizer with sunscreen was Dermalogica's Pure Light spf 30. It's also labelled "ChromaWhite." if that gives you any clue ;). I'm using it now but when it's gone I'll probably try something else. Hope this helps.

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